Garpal Gumnut
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I was going to do a paid course but everyone on the financial net INCLUDING INVESTOPEDIA recommenced Option Alpha so I've started with that.I mentioned before in this thread and another that I used a website called Option Alpha
Option Alpha | Be a more powerful options trader
Leverage automation to improve returns, find better trades, and transform into a superhuman trader.optionalpha.com
They have education videos ….
Beginner intermediate advancedFree Options Education | Option Alpha
Learn how to trade options and use automation with our 100% free courses, handbook, video tutorials, and downloadable guides. Click here to explore all our free education.optionalpha.com
Something like 30 videos over 30 hours
I watched all of these.
Covers the most basic stuff ‘what is an option’ to thinks like hedging a portfolio, the Greeks, behavioural psychology, personal characteristics, to advanced strategies. I think there are videos on up to 20 or so different strategies.
I’ve read most of thisThe Handbook | Option Alpha
The ultimate reference guide and new "go-to" digital encyclopedia for traders seeking clear, non-subjective answers to thousands of investing questions.optionalpha.com
ALL IS FREE, yes free
They also have paid services for bots and AI to identify prospective strategies. A free podcast use to be monthly/ weekly but doesn’t seem to be up to date now.
US based but I was there to learn. I cannot recommend the website enough. A MUST for a beginner.
The additional advantage for me in this process was/is ….. traded/invested in shares for over 30 years on multiple global exchanges. Completed a Masters in Financial Planning 6 years ago (self funded) … for fun/career transition (which didn’t happen), the very strong desire to continuously learn, and the desire to make more money from the ‘pot’ I already have rather than only buy/hold …… and I have time on my hands.
I am NO WAY an expert, but I know enough to loose money using options, know why I did, but also make a little bit more than I looseto make it worthwhile.
Let’s all keep chatting and exchanging ideas.
Gunnerguy
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Thanks a lot , I will have a few busy eveningsI mentioned before in this thread and another that I used a website called Option Alpha
Option Alpha | Be a more powerful options trader
Leverage automation to improve returns, find better trades, and transform into a superhuman trader.optionalpha.com
They have education videos ….
Beginner intermediate advancedFree Options Education | Option Alpha
Learn how to trade options and use automation with our 100% free courses, handbook, video tutorials, and downloadable guides. Click here to explore all our free education.optionalpha.com
Something like 30 videos over 30 hours
I watched all of these.
Covers the most basic stuff ‘what is an option’ to thinks like hedging a portfolio, the Greeks, behavioural psychology, personal characteristics, to advanced strategies. I think there are videos on up to 20 or so different strategies.
I’ve read most of thisThe Handbook | Option Alpha
The ultimate reference guide and new "go-to" digital encyclopedia for traders seeking clear, non-subjective answers to thousands of investing questions.optionalpha.com
ALL IS FREE, yes free
They also have paid services for bots and AI to identify prospective strategies. A free podcast use to be monthly/ weekly but doesn’t seem to be up to date now.
US based but I was there to learn. I cannot recommend the website enough. A MUST for a beginner.
The additional advantage for me in this process was/is ….. traded/invested in shares for over 30 years on multiple global exchanges. Completed a Masters in Financial Planning 6 years ago (self funded) … for fun/career transition (which didn’t happen), the very strong desire to continuously learn, and the desire to make more money from the ‘pot’ I already have rather than only buy/hold …… and I have time on my hands.
I am NO WAY an expert, but I know enough to loose money using options, know why I did, but also make a little bit more than I looseto make it worthwhile.
Let’s all keep chatting and exchanging ideas.
Gunnerguy
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Are these credit or debit trades ? Sorry I can’t work it out.Some possible option trades for next week:
For discussion. Pros/Cons.
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On LI that should be $29 PUT not $12 PUT.
jog on
duc
Are these credit or debit trades ? Sorry I can’t work it out.
Gunnerguy
I'd like to keep this going @wayneL and maybe share a bit more insight around Professional Options Trading.So where should we start with this, members?
In my first post I've talked about being able to use options to help our returns, or reduce risk/volatility or both.
I have a penchant for going into weeds on the Greeks and volatility and whatnot, but that might not be what might help people, at least initially.
I do think that you ultimately need to be aware of these at least in an abstract way, but baby steps.
@Gunnerguy hindsight is an amazing trading tool, good thing you got a profitable exit because after-market TSLA is up big, nice one to you and good to watch as an observer how you went about it. Interested to get your thoughts post trade on this.Buy to Close my 141p (26April) at 7.12.
I chickened out and took my profits.
I tried to sell at 9.50 at open but unsuccessful. Then 9.1, 9.0, and several more lower prices.
Eventually closed at 7.12 at 21.41 (Perth time)
Haha "options have options", I love that.I'd like to keep this going @wayneL and maybe share a bit more insight around Professional Options Trading.
I think many would be surprised about how the bigger end of town use options. I'm about to recite cliche terms here, but they keep it simple (K.I.S), don't overtrade, are methodical, have patience and often times will only trade 1-5 underlying's (staying in their lane). There's no question they understand the assets they trade and are experts - but they stick to a specific part of the market they understand well and don't do much else.
The main types of Option contract use I've seen is:
- Enhancing stock portfolio return strategies - by hedging with long puts, selling calls against stock or selling cash secured puts with intent to purchase the underlying.
- Momentum trading - using spreads to trade momentum on underlying stocks and taking advantage of the natural leverage in options, Bear Call and Bull Puts in High IV, Bull Call and Bear Puts in Low IV
- Delta Neutral Trading - using time decay, Implied Volatility (extrinsic value metrics) to their advantage. Straddles, Strangles, Butterflys, Ratio Spreads etc. This is like building a portfolio of options together and managing as the underlying moves.
At the end of the day, "Options have Options", they're the most flexible trading instruments around. Traders use them for different goals in mind. Where were you thinking of taking this @wayneL ? So many different concepts to cover. I might be able to assist with somewhat of a crash course structured with what people want to learn more about.
A fantastic resource is a book called "The Options Course: High Profit and Low Stress Trading Methods" written by George Fontanills; I would recommend getting a copy for anyone interested in how the pros trade. Talks about pretty much everything from psychology, strategies, entering and exiting trades, how to manage etc. so much great information in this one. - No required knowledge
One passage I've bookmarked is this:
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Volatility should be the essence to build your strategies.
@Gunnerguy hindsight is an amazing trading tool, good thing you got a profitable exit because after-market TSLA is up big, nice one to you and good to watch as an observer how you went about it. Interested to get your thoughts post trade on this.
Cheers,
VB
Just want to be clear, my experience and observations have come from professional traders, meaning mainly funds and individual Full-Time traders, who are on the same side of the ledger as you or I. On that note though, Options participants should absolutely be aware of the role of market makers (the other side of the ledger), what their job is and how they make money. Super important to know how the structure of whatever market you're trading works:Haha "options have options", I love that.
I just want to take it wherever it goes. KIS for sure, but I do firmly believe that the more people have an understanding of the Greeks, the less mistakes they are likely to make.
Most retail traders start with either covered calls or long calls puts (the covered call being nothing more than a synthetic short put).
From those simple building blocks people can then make it as complex as you like, though keeping it as simple as possible is often better... More complex, more legs, more adjustments equals more contest risk. That can be toxic to returns.... Which goes to your point about resisting over trading.
I reckon learning about how they do it on the other side of the Ledger can only help us retail traders. So fire away.
Haha "options have options", I love that.
I just want to take it wherever it goes. KIS for sure, but I do firmly believe that the more people have an understanding of the Greeks, the less mistakes they are likely to make.
Most retail traders start with either covered calls or long calls puts (the covered call being nothing more than a synthetic short put).
From those simple building blocks people can then make it as complex as you like, though keeping it as simple as possible is often better... More complex, more legs, more adjustments equals more contest risk. That can be toxic to returns.... Which goes to your point about resisting over trading.
I reckon learning about how they do it on the other side of the Ledger can only help us retail traders. So fire away.
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This is good thanks @ducati916 - not many contributors yet, but if we keep pushing ideas and talk strategy, hopefully more will emerge.So 3 possible trades to consider for theoretical purposes:
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Bullish trade. OXY is Warren Buffett's baby. BRK will continue to support moves higher. It is in the Energy sector, one of the current bullish sectors.
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For a sideways move. Possibly has some further consolidation in there.
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For the bears. In Medical sector (XLV) which is a bear currently. Low base pattern. Looking for the breakdown.
None of the trades are more than 3 weeks, although various sectors can change quite quickly at times, so always defined risk so that there is no need to do anything. You can simply set and forget. Helpful with those whose psychology is more nervous or wanting to grab profits.
If your position sizes are small, balanced with some bulls, bears and neutrals, with a slight bias depending on the market orientation, then what ever comes your portfolio should work out net positive most weeks. Psychologically, this lets you sit in the trades without constantly needing to monitor or second guess the market, do I hold or fold?
We can check on these trades moving forward. The only one that you should potentially close for profit taking is the Butterfly. A double position can be closed 50% for a profit take leaving 1 trade on to expiry and a free trade. Verticals are usually best left to expiry. That being said, I know TastyTrade recommend closing at 60% profits. Either or.
So unfortunately little to no discussion on:
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Options allow you to bet big on a direction and then if wrong, modify/manage/morph into something else entirely. Some (many?) love to use options this way. They 'work' the position until they squeeze a profit out of it.
jog on
duc
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