CAI - Calidus Resources

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Great annoucement out with PNO and the market didn't even react. If an annoucement doesn't have dollar signs attached to it, the market are not interested....Far out....give me a break!!!

This is another step forward to protecting the drug tripeptofen, in the USA.

Pharmanet lodges new drug patent in US

Pharmanet Group Ltd (ASXNO) said its drug development subsidiary, Cambridge Scientific Pty ltd, has lodged a new patent specification in the United States.

The new intellectual property emerged as a result of an ongoing research program into bio-mediators in acute injury models and provides the company with potential additional commercial development for its existing anti-inflammatory and analgesic work.

I see plenty of potential $$$ here. Firstly protecting the product, from costly law suites later on down the track, and secondly it stops copy-cats entering the market and stealing PNO revenue streams.

Pain and inflamation are keys areas in all accident/emergency hospital departments world wide.

 

[Kauri]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Are you sure it is for Tripeptofen??

 

[markrmau]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

I see plenty of potential $$$ here. Firstly protecting the product, from costly law suites later on down the track, and secondly it stops copy-cats entering the market and stealing PNO revenue streams.

Actually, from my experience with patents, it CAUSES costly law suits down the track and ALLOWS copy-cats to enter the market to steal your revenue streams.

I filed a patent application last week, and I am feeling as unloved as PNO.

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Are you sure it is for Tripeptofen??

Further research into the drug tripeptofen found that it could be used in other areas, not just as a topical pain/inflamation cream, according to the annual report. Hence the need to lodge additional patents, I am guessing.

That is the only drug they have mentioned at this stage. Maybe they have stumbled across something else?

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Actually, from my experience with patents, it CAUSES costly law suits down the track and ALLOWS copy-cats to enter the market to steal your revenue streams.

I filed a patent application last week, and I am feeling as unloved as PNO.

That seems to defeat the purpose of a patent right. You file to protect, not to have someone else steal it from you or make up their own.

Hope luck comes round for you, markrmau with your patent as it looks like I need a little luck too.

 

[tech/a]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

I have had 2 patents and allowed each to lapse.

Once the product is out people bigger than you with more $$s than you and more Legal people than you,grab your patented product and refine it then market it as their own and leave you with the option of spending (In my case) $100,000s in attempting to prove that their improvements are breaches of your initial base patent and you are infact the original inventor.

Mark is right---never again.
The 2
(1) Glass top rather than slate billiard table bases.
(2) Fuel card --where business owners give you discounts (Participants range from food to retail to liesure--its endless) in fuel credits
EG a bottle of milk 2 credits,A Car 20000 or more.Each credit worth 10c
All is linked to a main data base linked to gas stations.You accumulate a bank of Fuel credits--go in fill up swipe the card and your gone--FREE FUEL!!!

You reckon that would take off.
Me to but in 1988 when I put a patent on it in 4 yrs was un workable to keep Mark will know what I mean.
Tried to revive it 3 yrs ago and one of the biggies has it under wraps.

What would I do next time --sell it to a biggie with a % of profit as part of the deal.Better to spend $$s on a solicitored deal than try to control it.

They have deeper pockets so would make a better go of it.

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

As I am aware most drugs have up to 10 year patents. After that time elapses, they just add an extra ingredient, that is non-active , then re-apply for another patent.

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Anyone got any tripeptofen this yo-yo chart is giving me a headache...LOL

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Gee...PNO hit the skids today.

Got to find that can opener again for dinner, have a can of 77cent homebrand tuna waitin'

where is that opener?

 

[Doctor Funko]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

been reading about this company here and the speculation about this new antiinflammatory and my first thought is, as a doctor, do we really need yet another antiinflammatory? there are dozens on the market already, are there any advantages of this one over all the others we already have? there are already topical gels (voltaren gel) and injectables (ketorolac) recent new ones such as vioxx have been the subject of bad press... I would be happy for someone to tell me why this new one is any better

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Tripeptofen is a theraputic ingredient that can provide a broad range of products and formulations with its analegsic and anti inflammatory properties.

PNO can take advantage of this massive global market with tripeptofen that could be used in thousands of new everyday usage products.

What makes tripeptofen special is that it works quite different from exsisting commercial products and therefore can support a broad range of new products.

Here is a medical example of a type of medicine that has many different brands and they work in slightly different ways to achieve the same result.

Lets take SSRI Anti depressant medication for an example.

There are many out on the market, they all do the same thing block the uptake of serotonin. But they all use different ingredients to do that.
This makes some more or less tolarable to the general public. Some seem to be more effective with less side effects. Some cost less and therefore save the taxpayer lots of money.

My sister is a doctor and believes that we need more choice in medications. Speaking to her recently she seems to think there is a lack of analegsic and anti inflammatory drugs/products on the market.

 

[Doctor Funko]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

"What makes tripeptofen special is that it works quite different from exsisting commercial products and therefore can support a broad range of new products."
Sorry, but thats not specific enough. For example, is it less liable to cause ulcers like Celebrex and Vioxx and thus have a better side effect profile? Or is it somehow more effective at reducing inflammation or causing analgesia, and if so, has it been trialled in fair unbiased head to head trials with older antiinflammatories? Or is it just a classic "me too" drug which does essentially the same thing as older better tested drugs. Look, I am quite prepared to be told why it is better but so far theres no info on this, just what sounds to me like a marketing statement.
"Lets take SSRI Anti depressant medication for an example.
There are many out on the market, they all do the same thing block the uptake of serotonin. But they all use different ingredients to do that.
This makes some more or less tolarable to the general public. Some seem to be more effective with less side effects. Some cost less and therefore save the taxpayer lots of money."

Almost every new drug costs more money than the ones it replaces. This can certainly be justified if there are significant advantages in either it's effectiveness or side effect profile. Certainly there are some new antidepressants that are more effective in certain types of depression and thus there is a market for them. But there are many which are introduced for which there is no real evidence that they are any better.

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

I cannot answer that at this stage. The drug is only in phase 1 clinical trials, and goes under animal testing early 2006.

PNO did mention that further testing has resulted in much wider market for the use of tripeptofen than just a topical gel, so than in itself is proof that more research and testing may result in an even wider marketed drug than previously thought.

Further time and testing will determing its true effectivness, cost and marketability etc.

As for anti-depressant medications some are clearly better for certain types of depression than others. Also some have the added benefit of treating other symptoms like OCD, Panic attacks, social phobias etc.

So there will always be the argument that more drugs are needed in medicaine, more effective ones, cheaper alternatives, drugs that can treat a wider range of illness, not just the ones that they were intended to be used for.

Topical agents are usually a far safer option, than poluting the whole body with an oral form. Who knows oneday a drug like tripeptofen may be used as first line defence in pain management/anti inflammatory conditions.

 

[Doctor Funko]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

i still think this has been over-hyped, we already have some topical antiinflammatories eg. voltaren gel and nurofen gel.

 

[tech/a]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Think this is dying.

 

[Doctor Funko]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

as a doctor i can say that a super effective weight loss drug would be the thing.

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Think this is dying.

Looks that way, but you can never judge a stock by its chart alone, anything is possible!

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

as a doctor i can say that a super effective weight loss drug would be the thing.

Yes I agree, weight gain attracts many nasty health conditions that are costly and drain the public health system.

I worked in a local dental clinic for a number of years and many of the patients were so obese that the dental chairs simply didn't even move into the upright position after dental procedures. I used to think it was kinda funny... but now I know better.

Its not funny, its a public disgrace, that as a society we are killing ourselves and our kids with kindness.

I accept the fact that some people have medical conditions that make them gain weight or take medication that also adds a few kilos. BUT there is no excuse for the average Fred and Freeda nerk to be overweight.

We all lose our way in life sometimes and binge a little here or there but what I am seeing now is nothing more than filth.

Even our pets are becoming obese....now that is testiment to the fact that we are just eating far too much.

I also have worked in the hospital system for many years and would on the odd occasion drink a few of the high calorie drinks given to anorexia patients, and yes I gain lots of weight too.

So there is the proof....CUT DOWN ON DAMN CALORIES, AND GET MOVING!

 

[krisbarry]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

i still think this has been over-hyped, we already have some topical antiinflammatories eg. voltaren gel and nurofen gel.

Still think your missing the point though... after more research PNO announced that tripeptofen has far more potential than just a topical anti inflammatory gel.

 

[tech/a]

Re: PNO (PHARMANET)

Looks that way, but you can never judge a stock by its chart alone, anything is possible!

True.

$20 is possible.
.01 is more likely.

If this had/has the potential you would like it to have---then you would not be alone in accumulating some.
However its trading thinnner than a weightwatchers member.

Just like those on MUL.
If and when it goes you'll undoubtably see it.
Youll have plenty of time and in the meantime you wont be wasting your money sitting--waiting,waiting,waiting,hoping,hoping,looking,looking,talking,talking.

You could have copped a small loss and moved on---or decreased your position and stuck it in the bottom draw.

Kris you said yourself it dented your account.

Actually your like a guy I have in our work crews.
He has potential and always wants more $$$s.
I've sat him down and made it possible for him too.
(1) Gain his heavy vehical licience.
(2) Learn to operate our excavators.
(3) Pay for his education in reading and interpreting site plans.

Everything is to hard for him---so I bypass him.

Youll be happy to know that I intend to bypass you as well.

Mediocrity fits well with many---enjoy.