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Buy with open arms?



Hi Garpal,

I don't doubt that it's true, I'm just not entirely convinced of the usefulness of it. It's why I was asking agent why he keeps mentioning it, he may have access to more info than me here.

I've only seen data on flows going back to 2007, so it seems to be a bit of stretch to make any kind of assumptions about it when there only appears to be a small amount of data on it
 
its really amazing how good it is out there, with the US in a double dip and the ECRI again below -10.. which of the piigs will fly first? is seems they are stress free..lol

Agent,

just on the ECRI,

If you are interested, have a look at this commentary on it from cxoadvisory. Might be of some use.

http://www.cxoadvisory.com/economic-indicators/ecris-weekly-leading-index-and-the-stock-market/


 
You're feeling tentative, feeling afraid, unable to open your arms. Like so many, you will open them as soon as you see all the others do the same. Still plenty of stocks looking extremely cheap on almost any basis, but but but you've started to miss a few!
 
Agent,

just on the ECRI,

If you are interested, have a look at this commentary on it from cxoadvisory. Might be of some use.

http://www.cxoadvisory.com/economic-indicators/ecris-weekly-leading-index-and-the-stock-market/

About ECRI
Overview


In market-oriented economies, cycles in economic growth, employment and inflation are inherently cyclical. Over decades of continuous research covering dozens of economies, ECRI researchers have uncovered reliable sequences of events that occur in the vicinity of turning points in these cycles. Monitoring these durable sequences affords us unique insights into the evolution of each cycle, helping us to predict cyclical turning points



today it indicates a double dip as it still sits below -10

but despite that the SP500 has demonstrated some remarkable leaps and bounds, clearly demonstrating equities are not following the health of the underlying economy, they are on their own manipulated path...

the equity markets dont give you any indication of the health of the economy..

this is what albert edwards said so eloquently recently



"The notion that the equity market predicts anything has always struck me as ludicrous. In the 25 years I have been following the markets it seems clear to me that the equity market reacts to events rather than pre-empting them. We know from the Japanese Ice Age and indeed from the US 1930's experience, that in a post-bubble world the equity market merely follows the economic cycle. So to steal a march on the market, one should follow the leading indicators closely. These are variously pointing either to a hard landing or, at best, a decisive slowdown. In my view we are poised to slide back into another global recession: the data is slowing sharply but, just like Japan in its Ice Age, most still touchingly believe we are soft-landing. But before driving off a cliff to a hard (crash?) landing we might feel reassured when we pass a sign that reads Soft Landing and we can kid ourselves all is well."


"Equity Investors Are In A Vulcan Death Grip And Are About To Fall Unconscious"


the erci indicator has demonstrated a recession in all cases in the past, so its considered a very accurate guide.. double dip is the news its spreading..

interestingly we are now at week 18 of straight equity outflows, this last week in sept saw 7.5 billion in outflows.. despite all the brilliant news lol!!







the equity values are quite manipulated on the SP500 imho, and certainly not following traditional paths..

back to edwards




"August's rebound in the US manufacturing ISM was an even bigger surprise. This is a truly nonsensical piece of datum as it was totally at variance with the regional ISMs that come out in the weeks before. The ISM is made up of leading, coincident and lagging indicators. The leading indicators - new orders, unfilled orders and vendor deliveries - all fell and point to further severe weakness in the headline measure ahead (see chart above). It was the coincident and lagging indicators such as production, inventories and employment that drove up the headline number. Some of the regional subcomponents (eg Philadelphia Fed workweek) are SCREAMING that recession is imminent (see left hand chart below)."





i am keeping my self in cash, i have an eye on a few select stocks i think show some very short term potential.. but it would be disingenuous for me to say i support the notion "to buy with open arms" atm..

but it would be great to hear how long the supporters of the notion feel they can go on buying with open arms and where they see the future..
 

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The future is Asia... STOP this morbid obsession with the US, their problems are not ours for now!

This is also about massive inflation of the money supply.... cash is trash! They are trashing it! You don't want to be holding anything that they are producing globally with gay abandon.

Between the 'new world' & monetary inflation, commodities will rise & that will drive our market... it is that simple.

Watch Dr Copper.... if copper dies look out, if not, get long Australia.

 
Yes indeed! All looks go for the Tiger economy of Australia. There are other similar economies such as Canada in the mining sector and the conference on miners of Africa points the direction for many. Take care as Griffin Coal, WA shareholders will tell you, but anyway, mining is a high risk sector.
Money is coming back after the recent political debacles.

Like the whale, filter well, and you will grab yourself a lot of minnows. Buy with open mouth maybe. Seriously though folks time is not on your side on this one.
 

Everyone aboard!!! Look for value and quality companies, buy up on the dips.
 
Everyone aboard!!! Look for value and quality companies, buy up on the dips.

I get that horrible feeling that 'you lot' are not piling in with open arms and mopping up all these cheapy stocks in Australia - watch out for those that are not of course: "Which ones you ask? Do your own research as we can't molly-coddle you all your life 'DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!'," the wise man shouted to all those transfixed with arms pinned to their sides.
 
'Up up and away with TWA now ASX200 and all ASX indexes without exception' - all i say is, "Have you bought with open arms as time is running out - stocks heading for the strats and that includes bombed out mining minnows."
 
Today may well still prove cheap and you need only scour the charts of the small and minnow mining stocks, too late in some cases to buy maybe. Kept those arms closed did yee, tut tut.
 
Today may well still prove cheap and you need only scour the charts of the small and minnow mining stocks, too late in some cases to buy maybe. Kept those arms closed did yee, tut tut.

Alot of financial's are still cheap....and some property stocks...and some infrastructure, alot of stocks still set to yield over 8.5% gross.
 
The only problem I have with the buy with open arms idea is you may as well buy a ETF if you subscribe to this theory. There are over 2000 companies on the ASX why dont you pick the best of the best and try to get them at the cheapest price you can?
 
Boom time rats from now as we who bought with open arms, leave our arms open, yes indeed, just to soak up the applause.
 
On you Noirua,
you have fought it out well for the bulls. I watched Inside Business on Sun morning, the Aussie analyst at the end was so bullish I was just about gobsmacked, and chased up the transcript this morning.

 
Clifford Bennet, death or glory. Australia the next Saudi? Pretty intensely bullish stuff coming from a chief economist.
 
Clifford Bennet, death or glory. Australia the next Saudi? Pretty intensely bullish stuff coming from a chief economist.

All serious stuff this, and I would like to slam into touch any accusations that the 'Buy with open arms?' thread put something in his coffee before the interview, it just ain't true.
 
All serious stuff this, and I would like to slam into touch any accusations that the 'Buy with open arms?' thread put something in his coffee before the interview, it just ain't true.

I dont know what your saying, are you saying he speaks the truth? or are you saying its far fetched?

Personally I am bullish on the ASX and the Australian economy in general over the next 10 years, anyone who knows what the term "business cycle" means should be relatively optimistic but I think Clifford projections are aimed a little too high.

The first reason is that he is an economist and works for an economics firm. Not to discredit economists in any way, but they dont work in the guts of the real financial world and are renoun for well meant but bogus predictions. Whats that old joke, Economists have predicted 10 of the last 3 recessions? They always seem to be very bullish or very bearish.

Secondly I dont see allot of good reasons for his conjecture, hes mainly just throwing his oppinion out there, im not sure what hes basing some of those predictions on but if it was 3 years of rock solid research I think he would have said so.

Now saying those things I actually agree with his predictions on interest rates, gold and the dollar. But I dont think those levels that they will hit will hold, especially gold and AUD parity.
 
I dont know what your saying, are you saying he speaks the truth? or are you saying its far fetched?

Not a thread of lies cometh from that great man TabJockey, nay not indeed. I do feel he seeks to steal the thunder of the mighty ASF 'Buy with open arms?' thread - he just needs cutting down to size, that's all.
 
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