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Bullmarket vs. tech/a (Re: CTO trade)
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thanks for that tech. Hope it goes well for you.
thanks for that tech. Hope it goes well for you.
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Hi emma
I do not owe anyone an apology because firstly my original post said that the course of sales do not support the price and time that tech/a originally claimed to have bought the shares at (and that is an undeniable fact) and secondly I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves anything I actually said is wrong in anyway whatsoever....it's as simple as that
Tech/a offered to give me the name of his broker if I gave him a name I would call under (I posted 2 names for tech/a to use) and I still haven't received the name of his broker and I don't expect him to give it out anyway. So in affect, tech/a has backed away from that offer.
Finally, what wayne posted may or may not be true from my point of view because I have no way of verifying it, but then again if you look back through my posts you will see that I never said tech/a didn't buy them and that whether he did or did not is of no interest to me....I was just highlighting the inconsistancy between what he originally claimed and reality
I hope this clears things up for you emma
cheers
bullmarket
Hi emma
emma said:
I do not owe anyone an apology because firstly my original post said that the course of sales do not support the price and time that tech/a originally claimed to have bought the shares at (and that is an undeniable fact) and secondly I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves anything I actually said is wrong in anyway whatsoever....it's as simple as that
Tech/a offered to give me the name of his broker if I gave him a name I would call under (I posted 2 names for tech/a to use) and I still haven't received the name of his broker and I don't expect him to give it out anyway. So in affect, tech/a has backed away from that offer.
Finally, what wayne posted may or may not be true from my point of view because I have no way of verifying it, but then again if you look back through my posts you will see that I never said tech/a didn't buy them and that whether he did or did not is of no interest to me....I was just highlighting the inconsistancy between what he originally claimed and reality
I hope this clears things up for you emma
cheers
bullmarket
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:bs: If you answered Techs PM's I'm sure he would be delighted to supply you that info. Try it. He won't do it in the public forum because its not kosher.(and would be deleted anyway)
You seem do be stuck on "verifying" everything, and if you don't mind me making this observation, it certainly seem to be a last ditch defence you use when you run out of arguments. It certainly looks you are now bobbing and weaving when you have not taken the steps open to you to personally verify this.
This is so easily done. PM tech and he will give you his brokers details. I have already done this and satisfied myself. (The broker is a hell of a nice chap and only too happy to help out)
You now only have one course of action to not make yourself look worse than you currently do. Take the action suggested above.
bullmarket said:
:bs: If you answered Techs PM's I'm sure he would be delighted to supply you that info. Try it. He won't do it in the public forum because its not kosher.(and would be deleted anyway)
bullmarket said:Finally, what wayne posted may or may not be true from my point of view because I have no way of verifying it, but then again if you look back through my posts you will see that I never said tech/a didn't buy them and that whether he did or did not is of no interest to me....I was just highlighting the inconsistancy between what he originally claimed and reality
You seem do be stuck on "verifying" everything, and if you don't mind me making this observation, it certainly seem to be a last ditch defence you use when you run out of arguments. It certainly looks you are now bobbing and weaving when you have not taken the steps open to you to personally verify this.
This is so easily done. PM tech and he will give you his brokers details. I have already done this and satisfied myself. (The broker is a hell of a nice chap and only too happy to help out)
You now only have one course of action to not make yourself look worse than you currently do. Take the action suggested above.
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hi Wayne
There is no difference in privacy or whatever if tech/a gives me the information in a PM or posts it here because I am sure you are both aware that whatever information is posted in a PM I can then give to anyone I choose or post anywhere else I see fit in order for I or someone acting on my behalf to verify.
So therefore, tech/a would have no more control on who receives any information he gives in a PM than what he has posting it in the open forum. I already posted earlier that whatever information he gives here or in a PM I will then give to someone I know is in a position to verify the authenticity and accuracy of the information before acting on it. If the information is genuine then the person acting on my behalf will follow up on it.
As far as I am concerned, I posted the names I or whoever would act on my behalf would use and he has since backed away from his offer to provide me the name of his broker in either a PM or in here.....from my point of view there is nothing stopping him giving me the name of his broker in a PM if his offer was genuine....I believe his offer was not genuine
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bullmarket
hi Wayne
There is no difference in privacy or whatever if tech/a gives me the information in a PM or posts it here because I am sure you are both aware that whatever information is posted in a PM I can then give to anyone I choose or post anywhere else I see fit in order for I or someone acting on my behalf to verify.
So therefore, tech/a would have no more control on who receives any information he gives in a PM than what he has posting it in the open forum. I already posted earlier that whatever information he gives here or in a PM I will then give to someone I know is in a position to verify the authenticity and accuracy of the information before acting on it. If the information is genuine then the person acting on my behalf will follow up on it.
As far as I am concerned, I posted the names I or whoever would act on my behalf would use and he has since backed away from his offer to provide me the name of his broker in either a PM or in here.....from my point of view there is nothing stopping him giving me the name of his broker in a PM if his offer was genuine....I believe his offer was not genuine
cheers
bullmarket
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bullmarket, when I first started reading this forum I thought you were an intelligent bloke, but now I will disregard anything you post here. Thanks for the illumination.
bullmarket, when I first started reading this forum I thought you were an intelligent bloke, but now I will disregard anything you post here. Thanks for the illumination.
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1/ I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves ( ) that tech/a hasn't made reasonable efforts to expidite you verifying the trade.
2/ I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves that you've made any effort at all to verify the trade.
I'm satisfied techs posting was in good faith and reflected the circumstances of the trade. His integrity remains intact.
Surely you can see the onus is on you to take this action.
Cheers
bullmarket said:hi Wayne
There is no difference in privacy or whatever if tech/a gives me the information in a PM or posts it here because I am sure you are both aware that whatever information is posted in a PM I can then give to anyone I choose or post anywhere else I see fit in order for I or someone acting on my behalf to verify.
So therefore, tech/a would have no more control on who receives any information he gives in a PM than what he has posting it in the open forum. I already posted earlier that whatever information he gives here or in a PM I will then give to someone I know is in a position to verify the authenticity and accuracy of the information before acting on it. If the information is genuine then the person acting on my behalf will follow up on it.
As far as I am concerned, I posted the names I or whoever would act on my behalf would use and he has since backed away from his offer to provide me the name of his broker in either a PM or in here.....from my point of view there is nothing stopping him giving me the name of his broker in a PM if his offer was genuine....I believe his offer was not genuine
cheers
bullmarket
1/ I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves (
) that tech/a hasn't made reasonable efforts to expidite you verifying the trade. 2/ I haven't seen any verifiable information that proves that you've made any effort at all to verify the trade.
I'm satisfied techs posting was in good faith and reflected the circumstances of the trade. His integrity remains intact.
Surely you can see the onus is on you to take this action.
Cheers
wayneL
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.... further to your post:
There is a BIG difference. If Tech posted his brokers name the WHOLE WORLD is able to see it. Unless the broker authorized tech to post his name, I would delete it forthwith (Tech wouldn't do such a thing anyway)
The name given to you via PM would take direct action from you to publicize the name. I don't believe you would take that action, so therefore the chaps name remains private apart from those directly concerned with this.
Do you not see the two positions are light years apart?
bullmarket said:
.... further to your post:
There is a BIG difference. If Tech posted his brokers name the WHOLE WORLD is able to see it. Unless the broker authorized tech to post his name, I would delete it forthwith (Tech wouldn't do such a thing anyway)
The name given to you via PM would take direct action from you to publicize the name. I don't believe you would take that action, so therefore the chaps name remains private apart from those directly concerned with this.
Do you not see the two positions are light years apart?
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No problem....
That will be because I haven't received any information to verify yet.
If you are satisfied with the information that you have received that is fine by me but I can't verify the accuracy of any information that you have received.
There is no onus on me to do anything because if you look back at my original post you will see that all I said was that the course of sales do not support the time and price tech/a originally claimed to have bought the shares (and that is an undeniable fact) and I then went on to wish him luck if in fact he did actually buy some
If for some reason tech/a feels he needs to prove something to me then the onus is on him to provide me with verifiable information that would allow whoever acts on my behalf to verify any information he provides and so there is no onus on me whatsoever.
If you would like to discuss further then I'll see you in the soup tomorrow (we will be away next week)
I'm calling it a night
cheers
bullmarket
wayneL said:
No problem....
wayneL said:
That will be because I haven't received any information to verify yet.
wayneL said:
If you are satisfied with the information that you have received that is fine by me
but I can't verify the accuracy of any information that you have received. wayneL said:
There is no onus on me to do anything because if you look back at my original post you will see that all I said was that the course of sales do not support the time and price tech/a originally claimed to have bought the shares (and that is an undeniable fact) and I then went on to wish him luck if in fact he did actually buy some
If for some reason tech/a feels he needs to prove something to me then the onus is on him to provide me with verifiable information that would allow whoever acts on my behalf to verify any information he provides and so there is no onus on me whatsoever.
If you would like to discuss further then I'll see you in the soup tomorrow (we will be away next week)
I'm calling it a night
cheers
bullmarket
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Case closed as far as I'm concerned. Several things are now "verified".
bullmarket said:If you would like to discuss further then I'll see you in the soup tomorrow (we will be away next week)
I'm calling it a night
cheers
bullmarket
Case closed as far as I'm concerned. Several things are now "verified".
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And not a moment too soon either. Thank god for that!
bullmarket said:I'm calling it a night
And not a moment too soon either. Thank god for that!
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Hi again wayne
no problem - case closed for me as well - but from my point of view nothing has been verified
Good night
bullmarket
Hi again wayne
wayneL said:
no problem - case closed for me as well - but from my point of view nothing has been verified
Good night
bullmarket
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I will need verification next time you call it a night: You know, just to prove you're actually calling it a night.
bullmarket @ 8:03 PM said:
bullmarket @ 8:23 PM said:
I will need verification next time you call it a night
: You know, just to prove you're actually calling it a night.
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Bullmarket:
I have just finished reading through this thread. Frankly you have made a complete fool of yourself.
Over the time you have been a member of ASF, despite your often banal and repetitive cliched responses, you have on occasions demonstrated a flicker of something worthwhile. So I, like many others, have swallowed hard and sworn to avoid jumping back at you.
Several members have dropped gentle suggestions that some of your expressions, whilst amusing enough once, can drive others to complete distraction if repeated often enough. e.g. what on earth does "see you in the soup" mean? Blessedly, you appear to have stopped suggesting you will see us "in the swamp".
We all have different reasons for belong to ASF. For myself, I value the sense of a helpful and constructive community made up of diverse characters, different ages, backgrounds and interests. Some of them have been generous enough to disclose some really personal difficulties, e.g. the addictive gambling concerns in the last couple of days. These people deserve our genuine appreciation.
I know that if I post a query on anything at all in attempt to find assistance, it will be readily and generously forthcoming. I believe that most members approach the forum in a similar way to myself.
I also know that Tech-A is a genuine, straight-up person. He also would be the first to admit that he is easily irritated by fools. And sometimes this irritation can come across as arrogance. Nothing like this has been evident in this thread.
For you to make such a stupid and pointless suggestion, however "masked" you may have tried to make it appear, that he was being untruthful in describing some particular trade is unbelievably unrealistic and incredibly petty. I had hoped that you'd got over the need to pick at whatever Tech says and does in some sort of stupid attempt to raise your own profile.
Obviously not.
Now, bullmarket, just do not go on again about your bloody verifiable information etc. You have been offered the opportunity for all the verifying you might want already, unnecessary though that is. For heaven's sake, Wayne has "verified" the damn trade. Isn't that enough.
Honestly, I don't very often just become completely exasperated, but right now I feel like the kindergarten teacher who needs to tell that silly child to just go and sit in the naughty corner.
Julia
Bullmarket:
I have just finished reading through this thread. Frankly you have made a complete fool of yourself.
Over the time you have been a member of ASF, despite your often banal and repetitive cliched responses, you have on occasions demonstrated a flicker of something worthwhile. So I, like many others, have swallowed hard and sworn to avoid jumping back at you.
Several members have dropped gentle suggestions that some of your expressions, whilst amusing enough once, can drive others to complete distraction if repeated often enough. e.g. what on earth does "see you in the soup" mean? Blessedly, you appear to have stopped suggesting you will see us "in the swamp".
We all have different reasons for belong to ASF. For myself, I value the sense of a helpful and constructive community made up of diverse characters, different ages, backgrounds and interests. Some of them have been generous enough to disclose some really personal difficulties, e.g. the addictive gambling concerns in the last couple of days. These people deserve our genuine appreciation.
I know that if I post a query on anything at all in attempt to find assistance, it will be readily and generously forthcoming. I believe that most members approach the forum in a similar way to myself.
I also know that Tech-A is a genuine, straight-up person. He also would be the first to admit that he is easily irritated by fools. And sometimes this irritation can come across as arrogance. Nothing like this has been evident in this thread.
For you to make such a stupid and pointless suggestion, however "masked" you may have tried to make it appear, that he was being untruthful in describing some particular trade is unbelievably unrealistic and incredibly petty. I had hoped that you'd got over the need to pick at whatever Tech says and does in some sort of stupid attempt to raise your own profile.
Obviously not.
Now, bullmarket, just do not go on again about your bloody verifiable information etc. You have been offered the opportunity for all the verifying you might want already, unnecessary though that is. For heaven's sake, Wayne has "verified" the damn trade. Isn't that enough.
Honestly, I don't very often just become completely exasperated, but right now I feel like the kindergarten teacher who needs to tell that silly child to just go and sit in the naughty corner.
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julia, why not put me on your ignore list ?
julia, why not put me on your ignore list ?
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Bullmarket,
Thanks for teaching me one lesson, the beauty and simplicity of the ignore button. No longer will I have to wade though your ever increasing watered down soup of posts.
So now thanks to this feature (thanks Joe
) there will be no Bullmarket for me, However this leave me with two questions.
1. Is there a thread where people can discuss short term discretionary trades that will be educational for myself as well as others as it seems to have gotten lost?
2. A question for WayneL, as now I no longer see a Bullmarket, does this make me a bear?
Bullmarket,
Thanks for teaching me one lesson, the beauty and simplicity of the ignore button. No longer will I have to wade though your ever increasing watered down soup of posts.
So now thanks to this feature (thanks Joe
) there will be no Bullmarket for me, However this leave me with two questions.1. Is there a thread where people can discuss short term discretionary trades that will be educational for myself as well as others as it seems to have gotten lost?
2. A question for WayneL, as now I no longer see a Bullmarket, does this make me a bear?
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the problem with that dan, is ignoring one person doesn't eliminate other people quoting them and arguing back, so your left with a thread that you can't follow because it doesn't make much sense, which means bullmarket has won his battle by destroying the thread, just like the 'risk' thread a little while ago.
p.s I thought you were done for the night bullmarket. Back for round 3 hey?
the problem with that dan, is ignoring one person doesn't eliminate other people quoting them and arguing back, so your left with a thread that you can't follow because it doesn't make much sense, which means bullmarket has won his battle by destroying the thread, just like the 'risk' thread a little while ago.
p.s I thought you were done for the night bullmarket. Back for round 3 hey?
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When all is said and done on this issue regarding verification of tech/a's trade I will split all of the posts concerning this drama off into a new thread allowing everyone to get back to discussing the topic at hand - posting details of their short term discretionary trades.
In future I think these sorts of issues should be dealt with via the Private Message system. If you have a query about or issue with someone's posted trade, send them a PM and have a chat about it. That way we can keep the threads on topic.
So since all these posts (and any others on this topic) will be leaving this thread in the very near future I am going to have a competiton to determine the title of the new thread, because my brain hurts just thinking about it. Please post your entries in this thread.
When all is said and done on this issue regarding verification of tech/a's trade I will split all of the posts concerning this drama off into a new thread allowing everyone to get back to discussing the topic at hand - posting details of their short term discretionary trades.
In future I think these sorts of issues should be dealt with via the Private Message system. If you have a query about or issue with someone's posted trade, send them a PM and have a chat about it. That way we can keep the threads on topic.
So since all these posts (and any others on this topic) will be leaving this thread in the very near future I am going to have a competiton to determine the title of the new thread, because my brain hurts just thinking about it. Please post your entries in this thread.