How do you value a company?
So nearly everytime an SP falls, it is based on a change in the fundamental value?
Every time a SP rises/falls, it is based on a change of perception of its fundamental value.
Ultimately, share value is based on current profitability and future profitability.
Every time a SP rises/falls, it is based on a change of perception of its fundamental value. This might be due to something non-entity specfic (eg a perception that interest rates will change, change in economic growth) , or something specific to that entity.
Ultimately, share value is based on current profitability and future profitability. Since future profitability is uncertain and a matter of opinion, perceptions are what matter.
In a nutshell, a company's fundamentals is not as some would suggest, something that is certain and can be clearly seen. They are a matter of opinion. Those opinions are what is sometimes termed "sentiment". It is the market's interpretation of reality that affects share price.
Every time a SP rises/falls, it is based on a change of perception of its fundamental value. This might be due to something non-entity specfic (eg a perception that interest rates will change, change in economic growth) , or something specific to that entity.
Thanks, Mr_T, for saving me the trouble and saying what I would have.
I'd just add that - much as it may offend the purists - the value of a company's shares are what someone is prepared to pay for it. No different from anything else: houses e.g.
So you trade based on T/A, capturing this perception?
As you beleive value is already factored into the SP, so there is no need to 'value' a company?
It is not current profitability and future profitability, it needs context, where is it starting now? Relative to what?
The wording of the repsonses from BNB, in my opinion, did nothing but add to the lack of confidence - rather a blase` don't care attitude. BBP did the same just a few days before, with firstly a error in the shortfall figure, then a stupid comment from Simshauser basically saying that they were spending all their time and efforts in financing efforts instead of getting on with business.
The arrogance of the responses from these two does nothing to support their cause or their shareholders.
I study as much as I can with any stock that I buy, but it sort of goes out the backdoor when the market decides to dump the stock.
Sort of makes a mockery of the technicals and financials when the SP does the opposite to what the numbers say.
After reading all this (fortunately (??) still holding a very small parcel of shares of BNB) and being "new to the game"
Value: Determined by sum of future earnings discounted for inflation and risk.
I suppose, just looking at BNB's chart since June 07, it's a wonder why any of us would have put money into this stock in the first place.
In retrospect buying a falling stock such as a highly geared BNB in the current financial market where credit costs are continually stressed or rising - could only be called highly optimistic or a gamble.
Who’s to blame? Is it the evil short-sellers, made up of both private investors and so-called ‘hedge’ funds? Or is it the company itself for putting all its eggs in one basket?
Not surprisingly, for the second week running we find ourselves writing to you about Babcock & Brown. This time it’s not just Babcock’s funds under fire. Contagion has spread to the company itself.
On Thursday, shares in Babcock & Brown fell by a massive 27%. For investors that owned B&B shares that’s a fairly tough whack around the head. For those that were short, well, it was party time.
But do we blame the short-sellers for the fall in the share price? Not really. We don’t blame buyers of shares if the price rises.
Then, of course, there’s the argument that short selling is unnatural. It involves people borrowing shares they don’t already own.
That argument doesn’t hold much water. Compare it to margin lending on the long side. After all, what is margin lending? Answer: using money that isn’t yours to buy shares that you wouldn’t have been able to buy if you hadn’t borrowed the money. It’s the same principle. Margin lenders don’t receive criticism for manipulating the market though. Nobody gets too huffed if
The other argument we heard yesterday was that the “fundamentals” of B&B and their funds are strong.
Well…excuse me, but they clearly aren’t. And here’s what we’re getting at today, dear reader.
Maybe the assets are strong. But that’s only one half of the balance sheet, isn’t it? If we only ever looked at the left hand side of the balance sheet then every company in the world would be “fundamentally strong.” Insolvent businesses, train-wrecks like Centro…pretty much every company would look like a winner.
Yes, the word ‘fundamental’ encompasses all aspects of the company’s finances and investments. Debt, equity and assets.
Of course, no-one in your daily paper uttered a word about the right-hand side of the balance sheet until a few right-hand sides exploded last year. Isn’t that useless? As the credit crunch loomed like a teetering skyscraper, analysts were chanting ‘buy the banks’.
The lame “strong fundamentals” argument also hides the very reason B&B is in such strife. It borrowed a massive amount of money in a low interest rate environment. Now that interest rates have risen the firm is up a certain creek sans a certain paddle.
It’s time that the financial press and analysts stop looking for scapegoats. Instead, look at the REAL fundamentals.
If we want to make money from stocks, we need the price to rise after we buy them. (unless we're selling short, or using put options).
Then I'd run a computer scan on the stocks comprising those sectors. Specifically, I set up my scan criteria to find stocks that had recently begun new uptrends, but were currently pulling back temporarily against the trend.
As soon as the pullback ended and the main trend resumed, I was a buyer.
This very basic trading system would have put you into the bullish coal and energy stocks early in the piece, not long after they started booming.
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