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We might need to wait a week. The report comes out tommorow...
I am really dreading this.. I hate this stock...
I'm going to B&B report to cover this tomorrow.
Anyone have any particular questions? I'll be happy to ask lol, I personally want a comment from them after investor confidence in their business model has been shot down. I think SGB and CMC cut margins to BNB and the stock has been the most smashed after Alllco and MFS.
You know its funny, I called MFS, BNB, AFG and MQG up at work and asked them if they want to participate in naming their weekly hires for a weekly story.
MFS BNB AFG refused to participate and they are pretty horrible with dealing with the media and rather secretive, so I dare say these companies are not transparent.
MQG on the other hand is great with the media and stock has fared better and they participate in our "name who ya hired" section.
Results ! NPAT to members +70% to BNB 58% ROE 32.4% div 33cents from 21cents
Outlook for 2008 growth is around 15%
Vishalt
Just because MQG has a great hand on the media does not mean they are more transparent....
BNB is much better disclosure wise than MQG ever have been (certainly from an accounting view)....... MQG just have a nice bankroll to fund a media campaign to let everyone know everything is ok....
Plus, MQG does have the advantage of having a funds management and broker arm, which arguably are less cyclical than BNB's strictly investment banking business...
Cheers
Results ! NPAT to members +70% to BNB 58% ROE 32.4% div 33cents from 21cents
Outlook for 2008 growth is around 15%
Date: 18/2/2008
Author: Matthew Cranston
Source: The Australian Financial Review --- Page: 55
Three cattle stations in Australia that are among the nation's best andbiggest are on the market. "Wollogorang Station" in the NorthernTerritory is expected to be sold for in excess of $A50m, with investment bankBabcock & Brown a possible investor. The property of 705,700ha, with roomfor some 50,000 head of cattle, also has great tourism development potential.The "Scheelite" breeding and fattening facility on King Island in BassStrait is being divested by Oakey Holdings, a subsidiary of Nippon Meat PackersAustralia, for $A18m. Finally, a cluster of beef cattle properties in SouthAustralia known as "Sheraco Group" is likely to fetch $A20m
Yeah, but they have always exceeded their forecast. By memory, wasn't their forecast at the beginning of 2007 for a 20% rise during 2007? This was upgraded over the course of 2007.Wow they beat 2007 forecasts by a bit, but 15% forecast appears to be lower than previusly forecasted etc
MS
They smashed estimates.
I was in during the conference call and geez you talk about "media grilling the board" - well Phil Green hits back and totally redfaces the journos. He's pretty passionate about the business and its clearly believable in as stated in the report that people are selling the stock indiscriminately.
Investordaily said:Investment firm Babcock and Brown's (BNB) chief executive has defended his company's business model after returning a 58 per cent rise in profit to $643 million for 2007.
BNB chief executive Phil Green attributed the rise in profit to revenue generated from buying infrastructure assets and higher management fees.
When asked about its share price decline from a high of $34.78 set in July last year, to a recent low of $14.99, Green said investors did not understand the firm's business model.
"They [investors] do not believe that we do not trade in financial assets," he said.
"We are basically an industrial company.
"We develop wind farms, we invest in real estate, [and] we invest and manage aircraft."
Green also said he was angry with market speculation that BNB executives could face margin calls on their shares like their counterparts from Allco Finance Group (AFG).
"It is total nonsense and absolute rubbish," Green said.
The firm's senior executives have not geared their BNB shares and that they only received them when the firm listed, he said.
"They have not leveraged them, they have never leveraged them and that is the end of the story," Green said.
AFG's share price fell 26 per cent on 23 January after its employee investment vehicle, Allco Principals Investments, sold stock to cover margin calls from its lenders.
BNB declared a dividend of 54.4 cents and is forecasting 15 per cent rise in profit to $750 million for 2008.
BNB shares rose $1.43 or 9.33 per cent to close at $16.76 yesterday.
Regarding Michael Pascoe's article that I reproduced above:
I did some research and went looking through BNB's recent reports. What he says may in fact be correct. What he says about the revaluations IS correct - they did occur. What is in issue is whether the revaluations take account of current true value. If they don't then BNB's Profit has been over stated.
What I have written is after looking at their results. I am happy to be corrected on any errors:
REVALUATION OF ASSETS
On the Appendix 4E of their accounts for 2007, page 68, there is an item of Revenue (which adds to profit) listed as "Fair value movement on investment property" in the amount of $100,631,000.
WHAT HAS BEEN REVALUED?
What exactly does this refer to? Some clues as to what this is referring to appear in the following:
Page 2 of "Full Year Results 2007 Announcement" attributes part of the increase of the revenue in the Real Estate division to the following:
"an uplift arising from the development of an Asian self storage portfolio.......and an uplift in the value of the BNP Residential Property portfolio in North America."
The "Full Year 20007 Results Presentation" also refers to "uplift in value" of Asian self storage and BNP Property in the USA in a few places.
So the $100M in revalued assets (which has increased profit) is due to 2 things:
a) its Asian self storage portfolio; and
b) rise in value of American BNP property
HOW MUCH OF THIS REVALUATION IS DUE TO ASIAN SELF STORAGE AND HOW MUCH IS DUE TO THE AMERICAN BNP PROPERTY?
Nowhere is it explicitly stated how much of the $100m is due to the revaluation of the Asian self storage and how much is due to revaluing the BNP Property in the USA.
LETS EXAMINE THE REVALUED BNP PROPERTY A BIT MORE
Since the BNP Property in the USA is more worrying of the 2, lets focus on that one.
Page 21 of the "Full Year 20007 Results Presentation" refers to
"The revaluation of the BNP multi-family portfolio in the US as disclosed at the interim result."
Frankly, IMHO this comment raises some red flags. It bascially implies that the revaluation was done before mid year, and so does not take account of events of the second half of 2007.
Page 23 of "Full Year 20007 Results Presentation" justifies this higher value given to the BNP properties by stating the following:
"The total investment is currently valued in excess of $1.8bn and includes nearly $1.5bn of non-recourse, debt. We remain very comfortable with the valuation of this portfolio on our balance sheet for a number of reasons including:
• Occupancy rates across the portfolio are well in excess of 90% and they have continued to experience strong NOI growth of approximately 4%.
• We acquired older properties in the high growth Sunbelt states. Our average price per unit for both deals is well below replacement cost for newly constructed comparable units.
• We financed our purchase primarily with 10yr fixed rate debt with a weighted average coupon of 5.65%. This debt is interest only and assumable.
• On December 21, 2007, we closed a sale on two properties from our Alliance portfolio at a cap rate of 5.43% based on in-place trailing 12 months NOI. We believe the assets in the BNP portfolio, which are on the balance sheet at an approximate 5.75% cap rate, are superior to the assets sold. At the end of the period Babcock & Brown’s direct and indirect equity in the portfolio was $136m."
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
Not good enough BNB! If you are going to revalue property in a falling market (as is the case of the American BNP property) you really need to give more detail than you have.
I find this troubling and I want to find out more. Any suggestions how/where I can do so?
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