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Can't imagine TB or Giselle having the time to work out their own finances. All these American athletes have business managers who manage their finances. Very rarely do they do it themselves. They also both still earn $40+ million a year.
Well yes, but what competent financial or business manager would recommend such a huge stake in FTX? No doubt they will be live quite comfortably regardless of the FTX investment debacle.


I have met plenty of people who have invested in crypto but still to this day I have not met anyone I consider a financially literate who has invested money in crypto.
Financial literacy aside, it was always the extreme hubris that's been most annoying. The mere suggestion to the crypto crowd that perhaps crypto is just a fad, promoted by pump and dump merchants with its price pure speculation supported by hopium and the bigger fool principle would usually garner dismissive remarks like "just stay poor". The music stopped a year ago for Bitcoin, -75% later and now it's clear who is going to the poor house, crypto speculators and hodlers.
 
Binance has pulled out of the acquisition. RIP FTX.

Binance statement in full after not acquiring FTX

As a Result of Corporate Due Diligence, as Well as the Latest News Reports Regarding Mishandled Customer Funds and Alleged US Agency Investigations. We Have Decided That We Will Not Pursue the Potential Acquisition of FTX.com.

In the Beginning, Our Hope Was to Be Able to Support FTX's Customers to Provide Liquidity, but the Issues Are Beyond Our Control or Ability to Help. Every Time a Major Player in an Industry Fails, Retail Consumers Will

Suffer. We Have Seen Over the Last Several Years That the Crypto

Ecosystem Is Becoming More Resilient and We Believe in Time That

Outliers That Misuse User Funds Will Be Weeded Out by the Free

Market.

As Regulatory Frameworks Are Developed and as the Industry Continues to Evolve Toward Greater Decentralization, the Ecosystem Will Grow Stronger.
 
As Regulatory Frameworks Are Developed and as the Industry Continues to Evolve Toward Greater Decentralization, the Ecosystem Will Grow Stronger.
Remains to be seen if the "Ecosystem Will Grow Stronger" or crumble.


Interesting quote from this article...
“This episode highlights the vulnerability of the entire crypto edifice,” said Eswar Prasad, a Cornell University economics professor. “Even large and apparently financially solid institutions turn out to have fragile and shaky foundations that crumble at the least hint of trouble.”
 
Well yes, but what competent financial or business manager would recommend such a huge stake in FTX? No doubt they will be live quite comfortably regardless of the FTX investment debacle.
Same as a managers for all the funds around the world making the same investment.

"it's not my fault, everyone else made the same investment"
 
Not sure if this was already mentioned, but might be worth noting that the all-time-highs in Bitcoin occurred exactly 12 months ago today. It’s now down over 77% since.

In that time, people have gone from calling $100K as the next price target to be hit in a matter of months, if not weeks, to some floating their opinions online today that this may be the end for cryptos.

Quite a bold statement to make, and it seems like an unlikely outcome at this point. But it will be interesting to see what the next development in this story is, and how things unfold in the upcoming 12 months.
 
It looks like the "smart" money is bailing out.

What a dreadfully depressing chart for BTC holders.



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It looks like the "smart" money is bailing

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FTX’s share registry includes two of the institutions that have become synonymous with the irrational froth of the past few years, namely Japan’s SoftBank and US crossover fund Tiger Globall. It also attracted capital from some of the biggest names in global investing: passive investing giants BlackRock and VanEck, venture capital icon Sequoia and local giant Telstra Ventures, Singapore’s sovereign wealth fund Temasek and one of Canada’s pension fund giants, the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan.


In September, OTPP chief executive Jo Taylor told Reuters that he felt the fund had found the lowest-risk way to play in the crypto sector, because of the role FTX played in the market.
“In terms of the risk profile, it is probably the lowest risk profile you can have in that it’s everybody else is trading on your platform.”

Smarting money, more like.
 
Unfortunately, as with our Industry Super Funds it is not all that difficult to become a board member of outfits like OTPP even though they manage hundreds of billions of $CAN.

Intelligence or aptitude for changing markets is not a requirement.

Just pass the Institute of Company Directors examinations, know a few people who you've given the nod to, keep your nose clean, parrot the risk and benefits metrics, be able to read a financial report, don't proposition the young lady or gentleman at reception, and you are on.

FTX.!!! lol.

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But in January, Moody's warned that El Salvador's bitcoin buying spree may boost the country's credit risk if it continues. The country's government, has had liquidity issues in the past, making trading bitcoin "quite risky," Moody's analyst Jaime Reusche told Bloomberg in an interview.
 
Max Keiser wont give way on Bitcoin and will not admit he's lost well over $200 million from the high around $67,000.
9 November 2022
 
Max Keiser wont give way on Bitcoin and will not admit he's lost well over $200 million from the high around $67,000
The usual banter from maximalists, Bitcoin is the only legit ctypto network and everything else is sh$tcoin. Both Klippsten and Keiser are both in total denial about the failure of BTC as legal tender in El Salvador bordering on being delusional.

Keiser, like Mike Saylor, Anthony Pompliano, Mark Moss et al will go down in history as influential purveyors of Bitcoin hyperbole who led millions into the crypto financial abyss. Bitcoin could retreat to $500 and they would still be extolling its virtues and forecasting a bright future for it, even though the only thing that's really dematerialized is speculator's money.
 
Bitcoin is a casino people.

Once a bit of enthusiasm starts coming back and the multi baggers start getting reported-
Greed gets the next bunch of degens.

No one seems interested in crypto right now because inflation popped their dreams.
If we see inflation tamed we might see life again, but not before.

There's no interest in coins. Nft is still building out though and web3 is developing. But they are the true believers.

We might get a spark these next few weeks. But I wasn't counting on next year going that well.
 
It will actually be quite interesting to see how the fallout of this impacts the institutional traders who were getting into the space, as it may be a pretty significant deterrent.

It definitely won't be good.

 
I am not certain about the prohibition part, its not illegal, or should not be to invest in cryptos.
They are no different to CFD's, CDOs', and other exotic financial derivitives.
They have no intrinsic value or use in themselves.
Just like investing in anything else, you take your chances, the bigger the risk, the bigger the expected returns.
It is not possible to eliminate greed and/or stupidity.
The idea behind the original crypto, Bitcoin, is the distributed ledger and a is neat piece of thinking.
Unfortunately, most of the money in crypto has been made and lost.
Mick
 
Anders Åslund is well worth a follow on Twitter.

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All true but with one important caveat. The public beta testing of all these flawed, unregulated crypto projects has given central banks and planners a blueprint for the introduction of CBDC. So crypto will become real currency in the form of CBDCs with all the controls, manipulation and monitoring that comes with it.

Weary of the unregulated crypto casino? Then place your confidence in CBDC, after all who better to trust than your central bank.
 
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