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Maybe we need a thread dedicated to discussion of matters astronomical.
there are enough out there dedicated to matters gastronomical for instance.

PS There used to be an active thread that read "Recent Events Beyond Earth" - but that thread no longer shows up when you do "advanced search" for "Titles of threads" - hence this one.
 
Re: Big Bang etc

let's start with this one ...
History of the Universe Made Easy (Part 1)



for mine?
good enough for Hubble, (and NASA- who have to do calculations to make interplanetary explorations go like clockwork), and Dawkins, and Sagan, and probably this bloke (since in my philosophy he makes sense) - good enough for me.
 
Re: Big Bang etc

The thread you talk of was one of my favorites. The way I found it was wading through your posts 2020. took about 5 mins but it's here somewhere.
 
Re: Big Bang etc

....I found it was wading through your posts 2020. took about 5 mins ...
lol sounds like I owe you an apology too, pat

PS or do I detect a pat on my shoulder, lol

PS You can find that thread is you search for a word within a post -
not advanced, simple search
- choose "Canopus" and "show posts"
and you'll find it
but it's not easy to find the thread as such - you are right.
 
PS There used to be an active thread that read "Recent Events Beyond Earth" - but that thread no longer shows up when you do "advanced search" for "Titles of threads" - hence this one.

Set your personal preferences to: Show All Posts, and then you'll be able to find anything that was posted.

I was caught with this one myself, after changing preferences I found what I was looking for.
 
Hubble also confirmed an observation that these galaxies were all moving away from us at incredible speed
those furtherst away were going the fastest
in other words, our universe was expanding
as if we were caught up in a huge explosion


I wander what effect has expansion on our Solar system?

Comparing to dropping pressure in a vessel, one could suspect dropping temperature and global warming might be actually positive by-product of our activities.

But also it could mean that the Sun can exert greater pull, since other pulling object move away and their forces diminish with passing time.
As effect Earth constantly can move closer to the Sun, which actually will compound the warming effect.

Of course macrophysics do not have to behave the same way as micro.
 
I wander what effect has expansion on our Solar system?

Comparing to dropping pressure in a vessel, one could suspect dropping temperature and global warming might be actually positive by-product of our activities.
my guess is no effect m8 , lol
fairly sure that the individual "gravity bound" systems won't change much - until
a) the Big Crunch , or
b) the Big Rip
(never heard of these until today lol)

I mean no-one is suggesting that the orbits of the sun's planets are gonna change in the near future (to my knowledge anyways )

but I've just finished listening to that bloke say "no more guessing !!" lol
so better not be a hypocrite and pretend I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

 
Electric Universe Theory

www.holoscience.com

hey wayne - this post can benefit for the "big blossoming" of science. - I'm all for it.

As for not letting reputation of even Einstein etc ... Big Bang has been there done that

PS of course scientific knowledge is a process - and of course current theories will be refined, (possibly totaly debunked ) in the future - but here , now, today - my money's still on Big Bang. :2 two cents (PS 2 cents is about all I own anyways lol)

 
Cosmic Electrodynamic Model'.

http://www.calresco.org/cosmic.htm

A few folks with balls to think outside the well funded and protected square.
the well funded square ? mmm
if we were talking global warming I'd agree ( financial rewards for "scientific wh-ore's opinions ) eg those who defended cigarettes etc .

Returning to the website
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8gfbewe7

I notice that website is extremely intolerant of other opinions
so ?? he knows that we don't know ??? that men are not causing it !!! sheesh - now that is arrogance imo.

 

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I notice that website is extremely intolerant of other opinions
Nothing unusual about that at all. The only difference between his arrogance and Dawkins' arrogance is that you agree with Dawkins.
 
Nothing unusual about that at all. The only difference between his arrogance and Dawkins' arrogance is that you agree with Dawkins.
m8 -
I just posted a graph which contradicted this bloke

I await your posting evidence that Dawkins is wrong - and/or a reputable source that contradicts him

PS I would argue that Dawkins has more sense than to make a difinitive statement that one side or other of the global warming argument is "totally wrong" and/or "totally right"

However, the inconvenient truth is that humans are not causing it. - not scientific!
However, the inconvenient truth is that humans may not be causing it. - ok
 
Dawkins, like many scientists, makes a number of assumptions that are not able to be proven or disproven. It is these assumptions that make his and others views theory and not physical law.

Is Dawkins and his group correct? He presents a convincing case, as do competing theories. He has also used the media to maximum effect which lends undue credibility to his arguments. Notably, there is no critical debate allowed on MSM, or it is a biased hatchet job.

Overall, Dawkins is a self obsessed w@nker prone to tantrums if questioned.

But he's still interesting. I will always listen to what he has to say, likewise I'll listen to other, less media savvy scientists/philosophers as well.

I will not be sucked in by doctrine however, and that's what the current mainstream theories are, in the same way that religions are doctrines.

You can huff and puff until the cows come home, but I will remain open minded and critical of every theory where deserved, including my own.

In particular, Big Bang just sucks, you have all sorts of concept's invented over the years in order to salvage the theory. Therefore, it is just BS, no better than Genesis.
 
ok
next question
name one paragraph of genesis that makes sense
(remember this thread had not mentioned genesis until you claimed it was as good as big bang)
 
Well, I think it's very hard to mount a valid argument against evolution, scientifically anyway.

But yes, speaking to a lot of scientific philosophers about Dawkins, i.e evolutionary biologists that do argue for the various types of evolution, it does become clear that Dawkins and his specific theories are thoroughly outdated and outdone, hence his move into the God debate. Note, I am an evolutionist.

Besides that, his dogmatism is just as bad as that of the side he is arguing against...

The problems surrounding the big bang debate are fascinating. At the core, I guess it relates to the problems we have with infiniteness when it comes to the spatio-temporal sphere, as none of our systems adequately adress this. At another level, time bending and the horizoning debunk scientifically any type of current religious belief.
 

1. ahh no surely - you've gotta get out more Chops, lol - he is arguing with the likes of Hovind !!

2. religiousl mplications ?
this is just for interest ok ?
but coincidence that it was put forward by Georges Lemaître, and he was a Roman Catholic priest
I could care less about giving the church a hard time on this point - it shows they areopen minded lol. !

Here's a youtube that has been removed lol -
It showed Hovind claiming that speed oflight varied with speed of source (doh!!)
and Sagan setting him straight
lol - it has been removed due to ???
enbarrassment ? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M97WgCkK6k4&NR=1 Kent Hovind vs. Carl Sagan and the speed of light

here's another where we all learnt a bit about Dawkins...
and Hovind for that matter
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=157423&highlight=hovind#post157423

Critical Analysis of Kent Hovind's Age of the Earth
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=159827&highlight=hovind#post159827
 
OMG!!! Here we go again!

I'm outa here!

Ciao.
 
Listened to "Starstuff " today on ABC Newsradio
two articles
a) the end of the dinasaurs - due to asteroid breakups etc (160 million years ago give or take 20 million years)
b) new telescope software - Hubble sounds like it's suddenly been leapfrogged.

You can download podcasts - listen in / replay any time

INCLUDING TODAY'S PROGRAM ALREADY THERE. (9/9/ 07)
http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/mp3/20070909starstuff.mp3

go to about 60% mark on the timeline for dinasaurs
go to about 80% for new telescope


heaps more programs there ... - here's many other podcasts to listen to ( not that I've done it myself - I just enjoyed today's one)
http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/podcast/STARSTUFF.xml

here (below) is another ABC post - but I won't bother with the link, because this one (below ) is seriously out of date.

 
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