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BHP - BHP Group

BOTTOM LINE
12/12:

EW Trend: Up (?)
Price Trend: Up
Trend Strength: Weak
Broker Consensus: Intermediate BUY
17/11:
EW Trend: Up
Price Trend: Down
Trend Strength: Weak
Broker Consensus: Intermediate BUY

LAYMANS ANALYSIS
12/12:

VIDEO ANALYSIS (1 mins 48 secs)
BHP is struggling here. If it weren't for the bigger picture it could be easily concluded that prices were in a down trend rather than a larger up trend. The critical level is the September low of $24.06. A break down through there will place the trend on notice and would also indicate that BHP has a lot more work to do at these lower levels before any resumption of the multi year trend can be considered again. Until then, we may well see prices dip below the recent double bottom at $25.55 and $25.52. I'd say that we'll see those beaten by a few cents - just enough to stop weaker hands out. Those lows offer an obvious protective stop placement point so it's a good chance that they'll be tested. If they are tested, then prices start to rally, it's a very positive sign. Stand aside until better clarity is showing.
17/11:
VIDEO ANALYSIS (2 mins 3 secs)
If you've been watching these pages closely you may see that BHP analysis has just been slightly altered. The depth of the decline over the last week took the immediate bullish momentum off the stock suggesting that the recent highs were in fact the completion of that 5-wave pattern. Not all is lost because we should now travel higher in a new 5-wave pattern which could see BHP through $35.00. I am not going to make a formal recommendation here at the moment, but if you're looking to trade BHP then buy on a break of $26.71 and place a protective stop below todays low of $25.90. I will look to make a formal recommendation over the next week or so.

TECHNICAL DISCUSSION
12/12:

The Elliott Wave count is now unclear and the Golden Rule is that when the count is unclear one should stand aside. The move down to wave-2 was a swift move; more like an impulse move rather than a corrective move. The last 2-weeks have been choppy suggesting a correction and not the expected impulse. A break through the minor double bottom followed by an upside rejection is in fact a very bullish trading signal known as a "fake-out". It's like a bluff and tends to suck in the stop losses before prices reverse higher. If we did see that then prices break higher through $26.71 I'd be a lot more confident about the immediate future for BHP, but until then, I'm certainly concerned that we may have another leg lower toward that $24.00 support.
17/11:
Today's price and volume activity were very bullish. A gap open, a close on the days high and a good volume bar suggests buyers are back in. The recent retracement passed through the lower degree wave-i high so I am suggesting now that the smaller structure did in fact complete at the $28.29 level and we're seeing a wave-2 decline now. The bullish price/volume action seen today coincided with the typical retracement zone for a wave-2, being between 50.0% and 61.8% of the prior 5-wave advance. I like the look of BHP and we should not see those $24.00 lows again. The target for the wave-3 in this structure is $31.00 and the early wave-5 target is through $35.00.




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ducati916 said:
Is it any wonder that it sports a *low* or reasonable P/E?
The Net profits leveraged by the commodity bull have distorted the valuation.
If you buy BHP at current prices, you are not buying BHP, you are really buying the anticipated continuation of a commodity bull market.

jog on
d998

No.

You are buying BHP on a risk weighted outlook which includes the possibility of a contuining strong commodity market

If the market took an inefficient singular view such as the one you espouse above, BHP would be trading at around $40-50 not $25.
 
thats the best chart i have seen

top work.

I would definatley look at BHP as a buy personally if it gets around $24

if it dips in $23 i'd be a bit worried.

either way i am holding them long term, but its nice to get the timing.
 
I'm long term on BHP, even so the last few weeks have had me worried.......

Thanks Nick for a great chart & analysis.........the video makes it so much easier.

MB
 
Warning - Potential ripoff for BHP shareholders by DSPC

Received an offer from DSPC Direct Share Purchasing Corp in the mail today.
-- 26 Francis St Melbourne or PO box 1234 North Melbourne
-- assume David Tweed!

They have obtained the BHP share register for October 23 and identified that my wife had 1,000 BHP shares.

The Dec 8 SP was $25.95 and DSPC offer price was $18 which was a $7.95 per share profit for DSPC or total $7950 profit.

Has anyone else received the offer from DSPC?

Who should we complain to?
-- The ASX or who else?
 
Thanks for the responses everyone! I was particularly amazed at the accuracy of Nick's forecast of Wednesday's trading in BHP. Nick said:

Until then, we may well see prices dip below the recent double bottom at $25.55 and $25.52. I'd say that we'll see those beaten by a few cents
And what do you know, the low of Wednesday was just under $25.40! BHP reversed strongly today and with BHP in London up strongly atm, this should hopefully continue tomorrow. Now, I look forward to the following, also written by Nick:

If we did see that then prices break higher through $26.71 I'd be a lot more confident about the immediate future for BHP
P/S: I didn't end up covering the long CFD positions.
 
Funny number games, about BHP's PE ratio

London (Yahoo UK) 9.76
Sydney (Etrade) 10.18
New York (Yahoo) 12.66

In Aussie, last year earning 225.4c, next year 289.1c, Trailing PE is 11.49, forward PE is 8.96.
 
scsl,
One of the strongest thiings I can put forward to new traders is observation. People do not observe price action. They watch, but rarely do they take it in. Once you start to observe these little nuances then see that they do in fact repeat often, then you start putting it to good use.

I don't get them all right either. I said on Tuesday that CSL would just drop back a touch more to $55 - $56 before taking off to the high $60 region. So I missed that trade...
 
Nick Radge said:
scsl,
One of the strongest thiings I can put forward to new traders is observation. People do not observe price action. They watch, but rarely do they take it in. Once you start to observe these little nuances then see that they do in fact repeat often, then you start putting it to good use.

I don't get them all right either. I said on Tuesday that CSL would just drop back a touch more to $55 - $56 before taking off to the high $60 region. So I missed that trade...


Totally agree :)
 
Perhaps BHP will be the next Big Australian to go to private equity so that it's true value can be unleashed? I see this being conquered and divided and refloated, under about 5 different company names shortly.

Although, I'm sure Ducati would argue against this. Perhaps it gets refloated for a total of about $10....he he :)
 
Siting on 38% of world resources, currently only produce less 5% of world production; Even it rumps up th 15,000t/yr, still less than 15% of total. BHP is a really nice guy, keep the resource, and let the Canadians make all the money.

I bet after ten years, people might find a cheap way to get uranium from ocean, or thorium based reactor become commercially available, technological sound, and safer to run.

If BHP is still in the business, it will be siting on a pile of copper ores with radiative wastes.

Those poor uranium juniors, working like bees, try to save the world with meager production plans here and there, even knowing they cannot get production permits. While the big brother with resources, money, and permit are siting there do absolutely marginal. What a shame.

From this angle, the three-mine policy should be flushed to toilet.
 
Give them a break!

Remember they only took control of Olympic Dam just over a year ago after buying WMC.

It does take a little while to ramp up production
 
MiningGuru said:
Give them a break!

Remember they only took control of Olympic Dam just over a year ago after buying WMC.

It does take a little while to ramp up production

Guru, I remember my WMC shares was sold to BHP cheaply by the Board. By current standard, WMC may worth well over $40 dollars.

I am not against BHP, just to point out how the assets value can be undervalued if you give them a break. BHP got it cheaply, and still think it cheaply. So is the BHP's SP.

I would suggest BHP create a tracking stock for the uranium assets, a kind of situation between RIO and ERA. Then the value of the uranium can be realized, and they have dedicated team to develop Olympic Dam, and acquire more uranium projects.
 
Nick Radge said:
scsl,
One of the strongest thiings I can put forward to new traders is observation. People do not observe price action. They watch, but rarely do they take it in. Once you start to observe these little nuances then see that they do in fact repeat often, then you start putting it to good use.

I don't get them all right either. I said on Tuesday that CSL would just drop back a touch more to $55 - $56 before taking off to the high $60 region. So I missed that trade...

Very good point... the last two rallies 86 & 84, currently is 80 cents.

Cheers.
 
The following is from:

http://www.uranium.info/news/industry.html#Cam

TENEX Considers Role in Olympic Dam Expansion

Russia’s state-controlled uranium producer and exporter, Techsnabexport (TENEX), is talking with BHP Billiton about its involvement in the expansion of the Olympic Dam uranium mine in South Australia.

Vadim Zhivov, first deputy general director for TENEX, confirmed today that the company is negotiating a role in the development of the mine. “We’re discussing various forms of participation in the Olympic Dam project with BHP Billiton,” said Zhivov, adding that “there are a lot of factors involved.” The next round of talks between BHP and TENEX are scheduled for January 2007, Interfax reported.

Comments:
1. Where is Chinese, Indian, or Japanese?

2. If BHP spin off the Olympic Dam, together with other BHP's uranium assets, into a uranium focused company, things could be done a lot fast, and more profitable. Until one, Olympic Dam is a base metal copper project, uranium, together gold and silver is a by product.
 
mmmmining said:
2. If BHP spin off the Olympic Dam, together with other BHP's uranium assets, into a uranium focused company, things could be done a lot fast, and more profitable. Until one, Olympic Dam is a base metal copper project, uranium, together gold and silver is a by product.
The orebody won't recogonise any change to the company structure.
 
haemitite said:
The orebody won't recogonise any change to the company structure.

With due respect, do you mean "Qantas travelers won't recognize the LBO?" Your're 100% correct.

I think it is fair for me to say, as a shareholder, I do recognize the qantas' SP appreciation with the LBO.
 
For these who think LBO is not possible for BHP, here is an article about $120b ConocoPHillps.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/artic...2-18_00-14-08_N17469682&type=comktNews&rpc=44

..........
I quote:

The paper also said that while the company's market value of $120 billion may make it too large to become a takeover target, it noted that "few deals are impossible now." ConocoPhillips might attract interest from an even larger energy company or a consortium of private-equity investors.
 
BHP is still toying with us. Just which was is it going to go? Aaaaahhhhh!!!

Looks pretty tenuous to me..
 

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