BHP - BHP Group

[Value Collector]

i wasn't aware BHP had such issues ( especially after divesting S32 , the Petroleum arm and QLD coal assets )

now RIO might easily be able to justify such an appointment

nice story but looks like window-dressing ' ( or green-washing ) to me

and by the way .. if you give the Greemunists a nanometer they will take a light year ( and still whine and rant and rage )

look no further than Elon Musk as what an ESG victim looks like

You don't have to have a problem to care about such things, I Mean caring about your work force and community and the environment is just good business .

Elon isn't a victim, he kinda steps on his own dick every now and again. I like Elon, I own Tesla shares, I drive a Tesla, but he does say some silly things.

 

[divs4ever]

You don't have to have a problem to care about such things, I Mean caring about your work force and community and the environment is just good business .

Elon isn't a victim, he kinda steps on his own dick every now and again. I like Elon, I own Tesla shares, I drive a Tesla, but he does say some silly things.

silly , or provocative to grab headlines ( free media attention )

BTW i am neutral on Elon , and i don't even own a car unless you count the battered farm ute ( which was cheaper to leave than remove after the sale )

i have worked for great employers and the workers do all the PR for free , sure they are tiny companies where you say hi to the owner every day when you clock in , maybe i am just so old i can remember businesses that were respected by worker and customer alike ( no websites and social media back then )

 

[Value Collector]

i have worked for great employers and the workers do all the PR for free , sure they are tiny companies where you say hi to the owner every day when you clock in , maybe i am just so old i can remember businesses that were respected by worker and customer alike ( no websites and social media back then )

Obviously you worked for employers that cared about "Social Value creation", even if they didn't know what that term meant or ever used it.

If your business is small enough that the boss sees every employee every day, and meets every customer, Then I guess you wouldn't need a website or social media to get your message out. But if you have 1000's of employees around the world, share holders all round the world, and your operations affect the environment and communities all round the world, and governments and other groups are looking at you and trying to decide if you are good or bad, maybe some social media etc is a good way to get your message out.

 

[qldfrog]

Social value creation? WTF is that? Go woke go broke I say.

I was thinking about adding some BHP, but maybe just owning IOZ will do.

As a former insider, if you want financial success, do the opposite of what BHP management does..
Do not invest in bhp is my motto..but as all shares: feel free to trade them

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Social value creation? WTF is that? Go woke go broke I say.

I was thinking about adding some BHP, but maybe just owning IOZ will do.

@Sean K , I must disagree, as in a past life I was a downstream bottom feeder off BHP and its largesse. In those days the operations were staffed in my locus, up to sub princeling level by, as one would expect, high skilled tradies and ex ADF with nous and everyone sipped the nectar which spilled over from the Gods. The social contract between different levels was kept intact by the society from which its workers came, usually local and with similar demographics, or if migrant with similar aspirations. Then the baby boomers peaked and were replaced.

The social contract is now not that much local or even national. the social contract is determined as much by the untouchables at the ABC and the Guardian as it is by a strong leader on site and suitable mechanisms need to be in place to protect the company against a "cruel world" .

As I write this I now see @Value Collector has posted a reply which encapsulates my thoughts better than I can do in this post so I will paste him in to this reply. Thanks VC.

Obviously you worked for employers that cared about "Social Value creation", even if they didn't know what that term meant or ever used it.

If your business is small enough that the boss sees every employee every day, and meets every customer, Then I guess you wouldn't need a website or social media to get your message out. But if you have 1000's of employees around the world, share holders all round the world, and your operations affect the environment and communities all round the world, and governments and other groups are looking at you and trying to decide if you are good or bad, maybe some social media etc is a good way to get your message out. @Value Collector

gg

 

[divs4ever]

Obviously you worked for employers that cared about "Social Value creation", even if they didn't know what that term meant or ever used it.

If your business is small enough that the boss sees every employee every day, and meets every customer, Then I guess you wouldn't need a website or social media to get your message out. But if you have 1000's of employees around the world, share holders all round the world, and your operations affect the environment and communities all round the world, and governments and other groups are looking at you and trying to decide if you are good or bad, maybe some social media etc is a good way to get your message out.

i think they worked on the theory that happy employees don't steal from the company ( the majority of the customers also )

big companies suffer from inferior middle management and those consequences take CSR for example , after they realized they had an asbestosis problem they sucked up the losses and did their best to compensate the injured , some others did not

every good business knows to avoid reputation damage , it is way cheaper to have a solid reputation than hire a PR department to reverse the negativity

but times and management mentalities change as we are now witnessing

 

[Dona Ferentes]

the major miners are doing well ... FMG pushed to a new All time High, and , but BHP closing on 50 bucks, again

got to exactly 50.00 this morning but with a visible few billion worth for sale at that point, it could take some time to move up.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

BHP is one of my picks for the 2024 Year Competition and continues to be the mining monster of the ASX. Despite having relinquished its coal assets it has continued to make good profits and seems to be hitting all time highs. It covers all the RE, Cu and of course Fe ore. I had to choose between RIO and BHP for the competition, lets hope the spun coin landed correctly. BHP management over the last 10 years seem to have more couth and have not upset the millionaire indigenous cousins and their lofty cathedrals as much.

As the demise of Albanese is more or less assured the miners look forward to kinder Coalition years post election 2025 and this may even be reflected this year in the price.

Long term it seems to be in the wave 3 of an EW pattern over the last 25-30 years and this wave may even double in length to give a price of $85.00 or double in price to hit the magic $100.00. It has taken many years to reach this stage, however since the plague it seems to have taken to a gallop from its usual canter with wider bars providing more volatility.

Volatility is good as long as the trend remains a friend. As with CBA and WES two of my other pics in the competition, the American cousins may dispense some of their indecent gains this year on to the relatively cheap in $USD Aussie mining stocks to spur the beast along.

A long term chart. What can go wrong? Lots can go wrong. Lets see.







gg

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

This is a post, as I have BHP in the yearly Competition. It was a brave call as it had a very good run up to $50 at the end of December.

There is not much fat to spare in the short term, it is down about 6.8% from the beginning of the year.

I'm looking at a good run up to $100 on this big nag this year. The Big or Great Australian, as it is caused. Doing a search for BHP in the titles brings up 3 pages on the stock where options, other stocks and various geopolitical events encourage posters to start new threads. It is popular for SMSF's.

BHP is doing it tough this month. The short termers suggest interest rates won't come down and that the Chinese cousins who have never really gone to war except with the Indian cousins will unleash a WW111.

I don't think so.

gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

What can go wrong? Lots can go wrong. Lets see.

when it's big , then even more can. From around the traps:
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Olympic Dam is already a giant, but BHP also has the highly prospective Oak Dam deposit nearby and two major copper and gold mines in Carapateena and Prominent Hill, along with several areas of mineralization acquired in the $9.6 billion takeover of OZ Minerals.

Adding to these riches, BHP acquired the copper-nickel project near the WA-South Australian border called West Musgrave, which is currently under construction.

While Thursday's quarterly and half-year production and sales report rightly drew investor focus to the problems BHP is having in its WA nickel business as it looks to stay in the metal while reacting to low world prices, the news on the exploration front from Olympic Dam was tantalizing.

Olympic Dam is already a major part of BHP’s copper business, helping the company become the world’s biggest miner of the red metal, along with being a global major in uranium (Olympic Dam is the world’s largest single deposit of uranium).

The Olympic Dam is an extremely large iron oxide copper-gold deposit with estimated reserves of 2.95 billion tonnes of ore grading 1.2% copper, 0.04% uranium, 0.5 grams of gold per tonne, and 6 grams of silver per tonne.

In 2018, a smaller version of Olympic Dam, named Oak Dam, was confirmed 65 kilometers southeast of Olympic Dam, with higher initial copper grades of up to 6%. BHP drilled a hole in 1976 and discovered Oak Dam East, which was small.

The Western area of the deposit was later found, and occasional drilling campaigns were conducted with various partners over the next decades.

After delays caused by the pandemic, BHP stepped up exploration work there, and in the December quarter report, they mentioned having 12 drilling rigs (up from 10) working at Oak Dam to prove up a mineral resource estimate for release sometime this year.

In the latest report, BHP revealed surprising news about Olympic Dam and a new campaign with the results from 28 holes drilled under the bottom of the existing working zone.

Some of the holes encountered intervals of between 100 and 580 meters of mineralization – copper, uranium, gold, and silver (there were plenty of intervals less than 100 meters as well) as BHP said the mineralized area outline runs for two kilometers with a depth of up to a kilometer. And it remains open as to length and depth.

The idea to drill under the existing ore body at Olympic Dam came from geologists at the mine reviewing the results of three very deep holes drilled back in 2007.

BHP said, "three deep holes were drilled (in 2006-07) below known Olympic Dam mineralization, testing a modeled density anomaly, and subsequently intersected mineralization. These holes returned mineralized intercepts.”

The results were similar to the known mineralization at Olympic Dam, with similar readings of copper, uranium, gold, and silver.

But they were not followed up until 2021 because BHP was trying to right-size the mine after the takeover of WMC, its original owner, in 2005, then expand it in a plan for a massive open cut, that was abandoned and then survive a downturn before spending heavily on a $600 million-plus expansion starting in 2017.

"In 2020-21 BHP Olympic Dam geologists reviewed mineralization potential at depth and commenced exploration drilling in 2022 in the area known as the ODD (Olympic Dam Deeps).

"As of September 9, 2023, total drilling of the OD Deeps mineralization, including historic drilling, was approximately 62 km, with nominal drill space ranging from 160 m to 320m.

"All holes completed to target depth intersected mineralization and have outlined mineralization extending more than 2 km along strike, and more than 1 km in depth. Mineralization continues to be open along strike and at depth.

"The iron oxide copper-gold (IOCG) mineralization style of the OD Deeps appears similar to the main body of Olympic Dam. Mineralization is dominantly chalcopyrite with some areas of bornite.

"To date, and noting wide-spaced drilling, continuity continues to appear favorable above 1% copper grade. The absolute extent of mineralization has not been discovered. However, along strike, there are geological indications of decreasing brecciation as well as decreasing iron content. These suggest a diminishing system along strike.

"This release reflects progress in our exploration activities at Olympic Dam. Further work will be required to enable an estimate of Mineral Resources,“ BHP said.

The best copper intersection was 126 meters at 4.1% in a hole where 580 meters of mineralization was intersected, which would be enough to get anyone interested.

Now BHP has the dilemma of how much money to invest in its South Australian copper areas – known and prospective.

As of 2022, Olympic Dam had a life (based on known reserves) of 57 years. The new drilling results will extend that significantly.

 

[divs4ever]

don't forget those minnow players where OZL had 'an economic interest '

will BHP divest that interest or use that as a toehold to acquire the whole project

 

[Value Collector]

when it's big , then even more can. From around the traps:
.
Olympic Dam is already a giant, but BHP also has the highly prospective Oak Dam deposit nearby and two major copper and gold mines in Carapateena and Prominent Hill, along with several areas of mineralization acquired in the $9.6 billion takeover of OZ Minerals.

Adding to these riches, BHP acquired the copper-nickel project near the WA-South Australian border called West Musgrave, which is currently under construction.

While Thursday's quarterly and half-year production and sales report rightly drew investor focus to the problems BHP is having in its WA nickel business as it looks to stay in the metal while reacting to low world prices, the news on the exploration front from Olympic Dam was tantalizing.

Olympic Dam is already a major part of BHP’s copper business, helping the company become the world’s biggest miner of the red metal, along with being a global major in uranium (Olympic Dam is the world’s largest single deposit of uranium).

The Olympic Dam is an extremely large iron oxide copper-gold deposit with estimated reserves of 2.95 billion tonnes of ore grading 1.2% copper, 0.04% uranium, 0.5 grams of gold per tonne, and 6 grams of silver per tonne.

In 2018, a smaller version of Olympic Dam, named Oak Dam, was confirmed 65 kilometers southeast of Olympic Dam, with higher initial copper grades of up to 6%. BHP drilled a hole in 1976 and discovered Oak Dam East, which was small.

The Western area of the deposit was later found, and occasional drilling campaigns were conducted with various partners over the next decades.

After delays caused by the pandemic, BHP stepped up exploration work there, and in the December quarter report, they mentioned having 12 drilling rigs (up from 10) working at Oak Dam to prove up a mineral resource estimate for release sometime this year.

In the latest report, BHP revealed surprising news about Olympic Dam and a new campaign with the results from 28 holes drilled under the bottom of the existing working zone.

Some of the holes encountered intervals of between 100 and 580 meters of mineralization – copper, uranium, gold, and silver (there were plenty of intervals less than 100 meters as well) as BHP said the mineralized area outline runs for two kilometers with a depth of up to a kilometer. And it remains open as to length and depth.

The idea to drill under the existing ore body at Olympic Dam came from geologists at the mine reviewing the results of three very deep holes drilled back in 2007.

BHP said, "three deep holes were drilled (in 2006-07) below known Olympic Dam mineralization, testing a modeled density anomaly, and subsequently intersected mineralization. These holes returned mineralized intercepts.”

The results were similar to the known mineralization at Olympic Dam, with similar readings of copper, uranium, gold, and silver.

But they were not followed up until 2021 because BHP was trying to right-size the mine after the takeover of WMC, its original owner, in 2005, then expand it in a plan for a massive open cut, that was abandoned and then survive a downturn before spending heavily on a $600 million-plus expansion starting in 2017.

"In 2020-21 BHP Olympic Dam geologists reviewed mineralization potential at depth and commenced exploration drilling in 2022 in the area known as the ODD (Olympic Dam Deeps).

"As of September 9, 2023, total drilling of the OD Deeps mineralization, including historic drilling, was approximately 62 km, with nominal drill space ranging from 160 m to 320m.

"All holes completed to target depth intersected mineralization and have outlined mineralization extending more than 2 km along strike, and more than 1 km in depth. Mineralization continues to be open along strike and at depth.

"The iron oxide copper-gold (IOCG) mineralization style of the OD Deeps appears similar to the main body of Olympic Dam. Mineralization is dominantly chalcopyrite with some areas of bornite.

"To date, and noting wide-spaced drilling, continuity continues to appear favorable above 1% copper grade. The absolute extent of mineralization has not been discovered. However, along strike, there are geological indications of decreasing brecciation as well as decreasing iron content. These suggest a diminishing system along strike.

"This release reflects progress in our exploration activities at Olympic Dam. Further work will be required to enable an estimate of Mineral Resources,“ BHP said.

The best copper intersection was 126 meters at 4.1% in a hole where 580 meters of mineralization was intersected, which would be enough to get anyone interested.

Now BHP has the dilemma of how much money to invest in its South Australian copper areas – known and prospective.

As of 2022, Olympic Dam had a life (based on known reserves) of 57 years. The new drilling results will extend that significantly.

Olympic dams 57 year mine life is only based on the current mining plan, the deposit itself would actually have about 500 years of reserves if the entire resources can be mined, which is an option for the future.

 

[finicky]

I look forward to that.

Held

 

[sptrawler]

Hot off the press.

Brazil's O Globo newspaper reported that Brazilian federal judge Vinicius Coubucci ordered Samarco, BHP and Vale to pay 47.6 billion reais ($14.7bn) for the collapse of the dam, plus interest, with the compensation payable into a government-administered fund to be used to remediate environmental damage and compensate

 

[Sean K]

Hot off the press.

Brazil's O Globo newspaper reported that Brazilian federal judge Vinicius Coubucci ordered Samarco, BHP and Vale to pay 47.6 billion reais ($14.7bn) for the collapse of the dam, plus interest, with the compensation payable into a government-administered fund to be used to remediate environmental damage and compensate

Does BHP have insurance for this, or does it come out of their cash over whatever agreed time frame?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Thanks @debtfree . Just a post as I have the great Australian in my picks for the Y24 Competition.

Nothing much to report. It has dragged my picks down being the only stock to be less than at Jan 1st 2024. Down 5.5%. It just shows that luck in time entering the market can play such a role in short term profit. Over a year though a board cannot play this escuse, excuse neither. I expect BHP with iron ore prices up and large exposure to copper and other metals to come to the fore once the Chinese cousins execute a million or so comrade slackers in the Re industry and other economy and get production in their factories going.

I was never in favour of BHP getting rid of coal and oil assets, and I was proven correct, and they could use them now. Why pick them in the Comp. Why not. It was a coin toss between them and RIO. I provided services to them many years ago and was always impressed by their attention to production, personnel management and low days lost to injury. Swings and roundabouts.

Anyways onwards and upwards.

gg

 

[divs4ever]

Does BHP have insurance for this, or does it come out of their cash over whatever agreed time frame?

from memory they ( BHP ) have some cash put aside ( and have done since shortly after the dam failure )

the more important factor is , when does that JV start up again , it was supplying more than 3% of the global iron pellets when the dams failed

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Does BHP have insurance for this, or does it come out of their cash over whatever agreed time frame?

AFAIK it is covered, unless ... It is in the drawer out the back shed that used be the office for BHP. There was an article in the AFR some time ago about it and nobody seemed all that worried. I'll search it out.

gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

AFAIK it is covered, unless ... It is in the drawer out the back shed that used be the office for BHP. There was an article in the AFR some time ago about it and nobody seemed all that worried. I'll search it out.

it's probably something the beancounters have made provision for. They've probably mentioned along the way.

I've probably read it , but it's much more worthwhile hoping others will "guess" .

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

it's probably something the beancounters have made provision for. They've probably mentioned along the way.

I've probably read it , but it's much more worthwhile hoping others will "guess" .

I cannot find anywhere that the liability of BHP is covered nor that the litigation is final to any parties, the peasants or the miners. @Sean K

Hot off the press.

Brazil's O Globo newspaper reported that Brazilian federal judge Vinicius Coubucci ordered Samarco, BHP and Vale to pay 47.6 billion reais ($14.7bn) for the collapse of the dam, plus interest, with the compensation payable into a government-administered fund to be used to remediate environmental damage and compensate

It is a rather depressing search that I have taken through the Google and duckduckgo and newspapers near and far.

The dam collapse was in 2015 and there have been a number of Brazilian settlements none of which appear to have been final. The Brazilian litigation mentioned can be trumped by future UK litigation. Litigation had moved to the UK. Here the search peters out in appeals going to higher courts, and decisions being overturned. BHP itself is not all that transparent, it was involved with Vale in setting up a fund for the peasants which was said by many to be mainly aimed at slowing litigation. Nowhere in BHP's books is it finally written off. Final as in finished.

So ... No final settlement
No final ruling off on BHP's books.

Having said that it is Big Miner v Little Peasant and the peasants usually end up the loser as politicians even outside Australia can be bribed or litigation dragged out until all the politicians have been paid off and the relatives of the dead get what's left.

My money is on BHP being in the clear.

And I feel dirty.

gg