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Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

From the Brisdisconnections website
What if I don’t pay the instalments?
If you are liable for an instalment on stapled securities and do not pay the instalment, BrisConnections can take action to recover the amounts owing.
If you still fail to comply with your payment obligations, voting and distribution rights relating to those stapled securities will be suspended. BrisConnections can also sell your stapled securities and apply the sale proceeds to pay the amounts outstanding in respect of those stapled securities, which will include the unpaid instalment amount plus any applicable interest (calculated from the instalment payment date) and the costs and expenses of enforcement and sale. The balance (if any) will be paid to you.
If the sale proceeds are not sufficient to cover the amount outstanding, BrisConnections can pursue you personally for the balance. This may include the commencement of legal action against defaulting unitholders.
The payment of the instalments has been fully underwritten by Macquarie Capital Advisers and Deutsche Bank (except for the second and final instalments in relation to partly paid stapled securities issued under the Distribution Reinvestment Plan). To the extent unitholders default on payment of the instalments, Macquarie Capital Advisers and Deutsche Bank can either acquire the stapled securities which are to be sold by BrisConnections, or subscribe for such number of those stapled securities which BrisConnections cancels.
You should be aware, however, that the fact that instalments have been underwritten will not affect your liability to pay instalments, nor will it guarantee a residual amount to those who have defaulted on their payment obligations.

Did those goons from the house of greed (Macquarie) sell all their shares knowing full well they would get them back for nothing when the shares are forfeited.
 
Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

A few days ago I posted an email I'd sent to Brisconnections asking if it was possible to just forfeit the shares. I was doubtful there would be a reply.
Today the following response was received:
 
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And this is my further response to Brisconnections:

 
Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

A few days ago I posted an email I'd sent to Brisconnections asking if it was possible to just forfeit the shares. I was doubtful there would be a reply.
Today the following response was received:

I suppose that is clear enough.

The poor bastards who bought them may have a way out if the company lets them in other words. Otherwise they are stuffed it would appear.

gg
 
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Julia said:
A few days ago I posted an email I'd sent to Brisconnections asking if it was possible to just forfeit the shares. I was doubtful there would be a reply.
Today the following response was received:

The quote below is an excerpt from the BCS reply Julia posted:


I have bolded part of it about BCS saying that there is information about the instalment structure at the bottom of all ASX announcements.

I can't find it in quite a few of the announcements - for example the market sensitive announcement made by BCS on 15th of August 2008 (the first market sensitive (i.e. !) announcement made by BCS after their announcement of being admitted to the official list. If someone else can point out to me where I'm missing it that will help clear up my confusion.

The link to the BCS announcements on the ASX site is here (or go to announcements search page and search for announcements by BCS in 2008).

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistic...ssuerCode=bcs&timeFrameSearchType=Y&year=2008

I also can't find it in the the response to the ASX price query announcement (another announcement flagged as market sensitive) made on the 8th of September 2009.

For myself when I research a company I often only read the market sensitive announcements - as far as I can tell the information about the units being partly paid is not in these two announcements but its entirely possible that I've missed it.

Something else that I found interesting whilst browsing through the announcements is that many of the companies that lodged substantial shareholder notices, in the 'class of shares' column, put 'ordinary fully paid shares' as the class of share.

For example - on 11/09/2008 Morgan Stanley refers to them as Fully Paid Units in its ceasing to be a substantial shareholder notice.

On 12/09/2008 Qld Investment Corporation refers to them as "Ordinary shares fully paid" in its announcement about a change in substantial shareholding.

These announcements about substantial holdings are filled in and filed by the investor/institution concerned, not by BCS, but the referral to them as fully paid in these notices could easily have caused confusion for any BCS investor that was perusing the announcements.

MQG also refers to the class of share as 'FPS' (Fully Paid Stapled) in their initial substantial shareholder notice on 1st of August 2008 and refers to them as FPS in many of their subsequent substantial shareholder announcements (I didn't open them all but in all of the ones I did open they were referred to as FPS).

No wonder investors were confused, when the shares were repeatedly referred to as Fully Paid in these various notices by the underwriter of the partly paid securities. (Or maybe I'm confused and the securities that MQG did sell on market were actually Fully Paid )

Please note - my interpretation of these ASX announcements may be incorrect - so refer to the raw announcements for verification and further information.
 
Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

can a shell company buy these shares?



this makes me think.

couldnt you create a PTY LTD company then sell the shares from yourself as an individual to the company OFF MARKET.......then declare the company bankrupt????????????

even as the Public officer you cant be liable for the debt????????

am i wrong in thinking this???????

"

What is a company?

In many ways a company is similar to a sole trader or partnership, except that it exists as a separate legal entity from the owners (who are called shareholders). This means that in most circumstances, personal assets of the owners cannot be touched to pay for the debts of the company.

"
http://smallbusiness.smh.com.au/starting/finance/what-is-a-company-907098771.html

this would only cost between $1k - $2k to set up and follow through from go to woe

its worth looking into........ if i was in this situation (which im not ) i would probably approach my accountant with this idea.

although page 3 dosent give me as much hope

"sometimes a director can be held personally responsible for actions that are clearly beyond the ability of the company to pay."

but still.. it still MAY be worth looking into. just use the word "INVESTMENTS" in the company name and say it was setup for major trading with high risk (theres nothing illegal about that as its not a superfund)........

at least you would have some form of CASE against BRISC in that "im not liable because its company debt"
 
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Actually looking through the MQG substantial holder announcements - they appear to have changed how they refer to the securities between the 20th of Oct and the 22nd of Oct 2008.

In the ASX announcement on 20th of Oct 2008 MQG stated that they had reduced their holding of 'Fully Paid Stapled (FPS)' from 60,402,741 to 53,816,335.

In the ASX announcement on 22nd of Oct 2008 MQG stated that they had reduced their holding of 'Stapled Securities (SS)' from 53,816,335 to 48,728,382.

As I've stated - my interpretation of this information may be incorrect - refer to the original announcements for verification and further information.
 
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I think the fact that they said..

"we are considering whether there are options available which will preserve the integrity and still honour our commitments." means they know this whole thing is a fiasco and are at least trying to come up with a compromise.

One other thing I find strange is that they keep going on about how many warnings they have posted on announcements and so forth but if this is the case then why have so many people been trapped. Surely this wouldn't be the case if they (BrisC) and brokers were as transparent as they say they were.

Also, if cuttlefish is right and the banks/underwriters didn't even know what class of share these were how the hell is the average investor supposed to know!
 
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Another ASX announcement by BCS where I don't see any explicit referral to the partly paid nature of the units is the letter to shareholders released on 26/08/2008. This letter is one welcoming people as a security holder of Brisconnections.

This letter makes a mention that a distribution of 15.27c will be paid (and refers the reader to the PDS to find out more about the distribution). That is the distribution that was subsequently deferred.

It also has a section on risk at the bottom that as far as I can tell doesn't mention the partly paid nature of the securities and the liability incurred on purchase.

My interpretation of these announcements may be incorrect - refer to the original announcements for verification and further details.
 
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Another announcement by BCS where I can't see any mention of the partly paid nature of the security is the 'Top 20 security holders' statement released to the ASX on the 8th of August 2008.

This announcement simply refers to them as 'securities'. It also refers readers to the Substantial Shareholder Notice lodged by Macquarie - the same notice I mentioned above where Macquarie refers to the securities as 'Fully Paid Stapled' in their notice. I note that BCS didn't chose to correct or mention this mistake when they referred readers to the MQG notice from this Top 20 shareholder notice.
 
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Interestingly the Indicative Top 20, released on 30/07/2008 DOES refer to them as partly paid stapled units.


Also the Appendix 3B (A document I typically look for to determine capital strucuture of a company before investing) released on 1/08/2008 does also correctly and explicitly state that they are ordinary partly paid, and the time frames that the additional two $1 payments are due, and refers readers to the PDS.

So there is a fair bit of inconsistency - I doubt any of it is intentional on either BCS or MQG or any of the other institutions behalf - but in my view it is easy to see how anyone reading the announcements could have become confused.


And clearly I need to get a life after spending an evening reading these announcements about a stock I don't even own
 
Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

And clearly I need to get a life after spending an evening reading these announcements about a stock I don't even own
As do I, it would seem, given that I actually had a dream about this stock last night.
 
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Agree with Calliope.

Hope that when the company and its underwriters look at this from a commercial viability perspective in determining how to approach debt recovery activities, permit the little guys who made a genuine mistake or error simply return their shares.

Any active traders caught up in this should have known better.

Hang in their Bushie. Try and get good advice on how to manage this situation and protect you and your family's interests. Best of luck.
 
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Cuttlefish & Julia,
All of this assistance is greatly appreciated by myself & I am sure rocket & Bushie.

Are you able to download theese announcements in case they are required for future evidence.

I think if the ASA drive a media push on this now, wheels might start to turn in the right direction, The shares are still not moving at all
 
Re: Brisconnections shareholders - financial ruin

thermalmonster - all asx announcements can be found by searching the announcements section of the ASX site.

I've put the dates on any announcements I've mentioned above so its easy to correlate them. There's a link below, or go to the announcements link on the left side of the www.asx.com.au page and search for BCS announcements in 2008.

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistic...ssuerCode=bcs&timeFrameSearchType=Y&year=2008


As I've mentioned earlier - its bests not to trust my interpretations but to look at the raw announcements to verify anything I've noted in the earlier posts.
 
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Thermal - I guess you probably know you can save a copy of PDF files on to your PC - just in case you didn't there is usually a "Save" icon on the top left hand side of the PDF window.
 
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What is the SRN and where do I find it?
 
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