BBUS - BetaShares U.S. Equities Strong Bear Hedge Fund

[KevinBB]

The problem with this "thing" is that you have to get the exit right, as well as the entry. I think I owed it a few years ago, saw the price rise one day, with a gap down a couple of days later when the overnight futures decided to jump. I was too late to get out.

In my opinion, going short one, or more, futures contracts would be a better hedge against a long term investment portfolio.

KH

 

[Sean K]

The problem with this "thing" is that you have to get the exit right, as well as the entry. I think I owed it a few years ago, saw the price rise one day, with a gap down a couple of days later when the overnight futures decided to jump. I was too late to get out.

In my opinion, going short one, or more, futures contracts would be a better hedge against a long term investment portfolio.

KH

I've noticed a lot of gap downs in this, but perhaps it'll be gapping up soon? 25 Mar last year it went from $60 to $50 overnight... eeeek

 

[divs4ever]

don't neglect GEAR and GGUS ( i have never held either , but i am a bear ) if you are confident the cash printing will continue ( at least in the near term )

 

[Sean K]

Interesting action today and the volume over the past few months. Not sure how to read it just yet, but tempted to call 8.35-40 a bottom for the short term. Very long term this thing is obviously going to keep going down, but experimenting with this as a short term hedge at the moment.

 

[Logique2]

Signs of a Top

This 100 year SPX chart - overbought on a monthly chart (That's the RSI in red ). Rare.

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And this chart - The S&P 500 has blown the top off its post-GFC 10 year trading range. And it's overbought on the weekly chart.

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Signs of the top

Signs of the top are things that, (only) in hindsight, will make it obvious that the market was coming up to a top. Things that in the cold light of a correction will blatantly reveal that investors, if not the world, had lost their objectivity. Things that the Man in...

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Enjoying your work Finicky. I've included this one in my selections in the ASF 2022 Tipping Comp.

 

[Belli]

It's investors money but not for long as I can guess who gets the most out of this ETF. Betashares does have some rubbish products on offer in my opinion.

 

[divs4ever]

there is an article out there somewhere that explains why BBUS and BBOZ continually leak money because they use short-term derivatives to accomplish the aim , a faster version of an ETF using oil or gold future contracts , if you like

i still hold some BBUS ( deeply underwater ) but have used BBOZ and BBUS in the past with some success

now i won't go so far as to call them rubbish , but they have a specific goal , and use a high risk method to achieve that aim , and you should understand this needs strong nerves and quick reflexes on the sell trigger , BBUS and BBOZ might be useful as a hedging ( insuring against a market plunge ) i tried them as a liquidity buffer when i suspect a market downturn ( an easily sold asset that puts credit directly in the trading platform , when the market is tumbling ) as a second option to relying on a speedy transfer of cash from the cash reserve account ( which dives a small amount of interest every month ) there is always a tiny chance of banks freezing the accounts in the event of bank runs

please take extreme care , there is an ocean of debt out there , and i am currently not buying any of it

 

[Sean K]

I've included this one in my selections in the ASF 2022 Tipping Comp.

Bold pick for the yearly comp.

 

[Logique2]

By way of explanation, I have 3 of 4 higher risk momentum plays in the 2022 tipping.
So BBUS is in context, a 'strong' bear hedge.
You have to weigh the risks. It's not for everyone I agree..

 

[frugal.rock]

 

[Logique2]

It's doing alright on a calendar year basis..nice volume in January..
Early days, but my best performer so far in the 2022 tipping!

 

[grah33]

Thanks for the info.
I use bbus: but you can not keep these etf to hold for a while. In / out

u are referring to BBUS, but what about BEAR, does it also manufacture more units when it gets to a low value? (glad i read your posts here ) and when do they change the number of units?

 

[qldfrog]

u are referring to BBUS, but what about BEAR, does it also manufacture more units when it gets to a low value? (glad i read your posts here ) and when do they change the number of units?

Not sure..i use bboz and bbus for the extra leverage added.but interesting question indeed
Anyone?

 

[divs4ever]

according to Commsec , BEAR has a 75% lending value ( LVR )

CODE	COMPANY	ASSET
AAA	BetaShares Aus High Interest Cash ETF	58.19%
--	Spi 200 Futures Mar22	0.00%

BBUS and BBOZ do not have a lending value

so SEEM to consist of cash and/or a selected market derivative .. possibly cashed out daily

my GUESS is BEAR is a lot less eager to add units as it would require generating more AAA units to be held as collateral ( but would probably add when really needed )

 

[Logique2]

Well it's keeping me afloat in the 2022 Tipping!
Yes as you say, the LVR is 0%, which only makes sense as a leveraged instrument.

 

[grah33]

according to Commsec , BEAR has a 75% lending value ( LVR )

CODE	COMPANY	ASSET
AAA	BetaShares Aus High Interest Cash ETF	58.19%
--	Spi 200 Futures Mar22	0.00%

BBUS and BBOZ do not have a lending value

so SEEM to consist of cash and/or a selected market derivative .. possibly cashed out daily

my GUESS is BEAR is a lot less eager to add units as it would require generating more AAA units to be held as collateral ( but would probably add when really needed )

Not sure..i use bboz and bbus for the extra leverage added.but interesting question indeed
Anyone?

I actually was supposed to say BBOZ rather than BEAR. It probably also adds units when it needs to

 

[divs4ever]

fairly easy to do if you are throwing cash at derivatives ( and cashing them out a short period of time later ) for either BBOZ or BBUS

i am sure there are some regulations involved , but some PM ETFs are only futures contracts as well so must all be legal

 

[Logique2]

Today BBUS is +29% on YTD ; 4 months into the year.

My ASF 2022 tips would look pretty sick without this ETF hedge.

 

[pavilion103]

Anyone looking to get into this and hold? Volatility starting to come into the markets…

 

[pavilion103]

People talk about the fees eroding profits. Can anyone give an idea of how much of an impact this has? It would be good to get a quantifiable understanding of this.