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Ohhh bewdy another election. It has been sooo long.
Time to get out the very old trusty dartboard (like parliament it too has had huge number of pr!cks in it)
Any last minute changes in Leadership? Where can I find the odds with online betting on a change of leader within 6 months or 12 months of being elected. Only way I gonna make anything from an election.
 
The ALP ABC have put up a swing calculator for those of us waiting for the water to boil.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04...ntony-green-house-of-reps-calculator/10872122

Move to slider to your desired outcome :)

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That's my prediction - for the record - I'm subtracting two seats off Labor because I don't think they'll win Lindsay or Banks. So for me it's 79 seats for ALP, 65 for LNP and 7 for the rest.
 
dutchie said:
Governments waste so much of taxpayers money.
Raising taxes only compounds the extravagance and insults the electorate.
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Absolutely!! Lets go back to the times of really small government.

No public education, no wasteful public hospitals, absolutely no/or minimal pensions (unless you had a really important job with the Government of course ).

Stuff the roads and dams and sewerage systems. Toll roads are fine and if you have money you can organise your own water and sewerage can't you ?

Yep the Dark Ages were so enlightened Dutchie.:eek:

And of course if we took a really stringent approach to Government spending we can ensure that those people who really deserve to be rewarded for their contributions to society can become even more wealthy. Just makes so much sense doesn't it ?
 
Some parts of the system actually work really well IMO, and some need attention. Taxing the **** out of anyone earning a decent income, and then throwing piles of cash into the welfare system is not a viable solution.

Shorten will last one term, I think. Once we see the outcome of trying to massively hike taxes and push more people onto welfare, and a larger %% of the population as net recipients of government benefits....property prices, unemployment rates, and the budget figures will all be impacted by these policies.
 
Junior said:
Some parts of the system actually work really well IMO, and some need attention. Taxing the **** out of anyone earning a decent income, and then throwing piles of cash into the welfare system is not a viable solution.

Shorten will last one term, I think. Once we see the outcome of trying to massively hike taxes and push more people onto welfare, and a larger %% of the population as net recipients of government benefits....property prices, unemployment rates, and the budget figures will all be impacted by these policies.
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Health care is welfare now ?

Labor is offering more tax cuts for people on lower incomes. Is that a problem ? They have also refused to raise Newstart. I can't see that is encouraging people to go onto welfare.

Giving people negative gearing on existing properties is a waste of taxpayers money, it does nothing to increase housing stock. I think Labor's proposal on this is well thought out and the money saved can be put into other areas.
 
Junior said:
Some parts of the system actually work really well IMO, and some need attention. Taxing the **** out of anyone earning a decent income, and then throwing piles of cash into the welfare system is not a viable solution.

Shorten will last one term, I think. Once we see the outcome of trying to massively hike taxes and push more people onto welfare, and a larger %% of the population as net recipients of government benefits....property prices, unemployment rates, and the budget figures will all be impacted by these policies.
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Yes we need a more thoughtful approach to how we tax and what we spend that money on.
I don't agree that the Labour government proposals are about a "massive tax hike" . In the first instance they are just going to not proceed with tax cuts that were targeted for the well off and which would have required massive cuts in government services to finance.
There are proposed tax increases. They are directed at the wealthiest sections of the community. The funds realised will be used to

1) Pay for increased health costs particularly by people with cancer. That is rich and poor alike
2) Paying down the National debt.

As far as welfare goes. If there there were hundreds of thousands of paying jobs going begging most of this would disappear.

This is simply untrue. The economy is not generating sufficient jobs to keep people in employment. Unfortunately the rapid development of AI is almost certainly going to make this problem even bigger. There's the real challenge for any government - creating meaningful work for people to enable them to have a dignified useful life
 
Other ways of seeing the budget.
Bill Shorten on Tax

"What we choose to do is spend scarce and important taxpayer money on educating the kids, on decreasing the out-of-pocket costs of, you know, cancer treatment, rather than spend it on tax loopholes like deductions to accountants for $1m, or property subsidies.

The other one which is a big, you know, I go to now – just to help explain why we mean I don’t accept their figures at all – is that at the moment in Australia we give nearly $6bn in tax credits to people who don’t pay tax.

This is called a gift. And it’s a nearly $6bn gift. And it’s going to increase every year.

So when we say we’re not gonna give the gift any more, that is not a tax increase. It’s just a decision to improve the bottom line of the budget; it’s a decision to fund our healthcare.

You know, one in two Australians will get a diagnosis of cancer by the time they’re 85, the average life expectancy. One in two of us. And it’s expensive. And I just want to make sure that when you’re in the fight of your life, we’re alongside you.”
 
And Peter Dutton turns mongrel on woman who is opposing him in the election.
With any luck he has nailed himself into his political coffin.
Peter Dutton claims Labor candidate using disability as ‘an excuse’ as battle turns bitter
Nothing is out of bounds for Peter Dutton who made an extraordinary claim about a Labor candidate who lost her leg in 2011.
https://www.news.com.au/national/fe...r/news-story/7962c25bcc8f254e5526f70952ef4234
 
basilio said:
And Peter Dutton turns mongrel on woman who is opposing him in the election.
With any luck he has nailed himself into his political coffin.
Peter Dutton claims Labor candidate using disability as ‘an excuse’ as battle turns bitter
Nothing is out of bounds for Peter Dutton who made an extraordinary claim about a Labor candidate who lost her leg in 2011.
https://www.news.com.au/national/fe...r/news-story/7962c25bcc8f254e5526f70952ef4234
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Dutton and Eddie MacGuire would make a great team. :rolleyes:
 
It's getting hotter in the race to the bottom with Peter Dutton.

Apparently Peter Dutton said it was "members of his electorate" who were protesting that the ALP candidate hadn't moved into the electorate because she couldn't find a house that was suitable for her disability ( she has lost a leg in a car accident a few years ago and has an artificial limb).

Anyway one of the responses was :

"Peter Dutton is the sort of xxnt who would kick out an amputees wooden leg and then point and say they are an example of people who can't stand on their own two feet."
 
How elections change perceptions ...
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Scott Morrison has condemned Israel Folau’s comments that “hell awaits people like homosexuals, drunks and fornicators” as insensitive several times today:

Morrison (to the ABC) :
I thought they were terribly insensitive comments. Obviously they’re a matter for the ARU and they’ve taken that decision as a result of the insensitivities of those comments.

Well, you know it’s important that people act with love and care and compassion to their fellow citizens and to speak sensitively to their fellow Australians. That’s what I believe.”

And in his own press conference:

Israel’s comments were insensitive and it is important that when you’re in public life you just be mindful of being sensitive to other Australians and that you speak with that empathy and so the ARU have made their decision in relation to that matter.”

That’s a change from just under a year ago, when Folau made similar comments on his social media, when Morrison told Miranda Devine:

It clearly means a lot to Izzy and good for him for standing up for his faith,” Morrison said.

“He wouldn’t have wanted to intend to have offended or hurt anyone because that’s very much against the faith that he feels so passionately about.

“But I think he’s shown a lot of strength of character in just standing up for what he believes in and I think that’s what this country is all about.”
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...or-tax-economy-morrison-shorten-politics-live
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...olaus-strong-character-after-anti-gay-remarks
 
dutchie said:
oh but that doesn't count if your a Labor supporter.
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Inshallah? She actually said that?
There is a worrying thread of pro Islamification and anti Semitism among the Labo(u)r and leftist parties.
 
wayneL said:
Inshallah? She actually said that?
There is a worrying thread of pro Islamification and anti Semitism among the Labo(u)r and leftist parties.
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Yet when it comes to offering evidence to support your claims, you come up short.
Maybe the constant UN resolutions and reports decrying Israel's treatment of Palestinians means nothing to you, but they paint a sorry picture for the state of humanity and what nations like the USA and Australia condone.
 
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