Australia vs. India - Why India WILL WIN

Sean K · 17 January 2008

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cuttlefish said:
Australia didn't win the second test

Rediculous IMO. If the one or two results had have gone the other way who's to say which way the game would have gone. It may have meant Australian won by a greater margin. I'm off for a curry...

tech/a · 17 January 2008

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Get a grip girls.

Aussi's aren't immune to Racial taunts.Indians,Pakistanis,Negro's and Aborigines don't have exclusive racial slander rights.

Aussi's cop it as much as any other race,Role up in India and see the ribbing you get!

Every top sportsman has to bear the brunt of the tall poppy
syndrome.Whether team or individual.

Voice your opinion "God NO".
This politically correct,don't offend anyone rubbish.

Blouses!
Need Sammy Keckovich to come in and sort it out!

2020hindsight · 17 January 2008

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cuttlefish said:
- any independant observer would acknowledge that the umpiring decisions wrecked the game and the outcome was pretty much a non-event. .

I agree cuttlefish

tech - tall poppy syndrome? now you leave Ben Cousins out of this
PS I could swear you just made the argument that Ponting was a wimp to dob in Harbhajan

kgee · 17 January 2008

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Man what an absolute beat up
If the scond test had of gone the same way but with all the bad decisions going in favor of the indians ...I'm pretty sure we would have seen the indians win.
Now we have the media beating up the indians making them look hysterical in wanting the umpires changed
But for all the money in the world I reckon if the scenario was changed as I've suggested (India geting the favourable decisions)...Australia management would do the exact same thing and get new umpires...but of course they'd just put a differrent spin on it- trying to make the firing (or retirement)...of the umpires seem like the most reasonable request in the world... the fact is it was more than reasonable for the Indians to call for the umpires sacking.
And on that note if the scenario had been reversed and india won- Australian players would have spat the dummy...and probably thrown in some racial insults for god measure

Theres a real arrogance about the general feeling towards Australian cricket and the fact is that India are a lot closer matched to Australia than anyone thinks
-The first test...India was always going to struggle...its the boxin day test you can expect australia to play well...India had barely go their feet on the ground...but they had a real good look at them
-The 2nd test well it could have easily gone the indians way
-Harbijan has the measure of ponting
-There batting line up is awesome and I've heard good things about sehwag
- 3rd test ..Australia has been expected to knock them over easy...india has nearly 300 up...on the first day...in my mind thats a competitive score...

What a beat up

Bomba · 17 January 2008

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Looks like the 3rd test may be a good one. Could go either way after the 1st day.

Im surprised the indians didnt go in with an extra bowler and one less batsman to keep the Turbinator in the match.

Although Perth is not a spinner friendly pitch, he does have the measure of Ponting as has been mentioned and he has been bowling pretty well in the series. Plus Irfan Pathan is no mug with the bat, averaging 30 in tests.

Looking forward to the rest of the match.

Pommiegranite · 17 January 2008

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tech/a said:
Get a grip girls.

Aussi's aren't immune to Racial taunts.Indians,Pakistanis,Negro's and Aborigines don't have exclusive racial slander rights.

Aussi's cop it as much as any other race,Role up in India and see the ribbing you get!

Every top sportsman has to bear the brunt of the tall poppy
syndrome.Whether team or individual.

Voice your opinion "God NO".
This politically correct,don't offend anyone rubbish.

Blouses!
Need Sammy Keckovich to come in and sort it out!

Not true. Please stop making stuff up. You obviously have never been to a cricket match in India.

bingk6 · 17 January 2008

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cuttlefish said:
No we're talking about the same series, and a sportsman knows how to acknowledge the accomplishments of their opponent, and only claims a win or a point when its deserved.

If Ponting was any kind of a man he'd have acknowledged the controversies of the game and shown some civility towards his opponents at the end in his 'victory' speech.

A gutless leader creates a gutless team and he's not setting an example that I as an Australian want the world to judge me by. (and these events do affect business relationships in a way that is embarrasing and detrimental to constructive business outcomes as well as personal relationships).

Well Put !!!!

awg · 17 January 2008

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Originally Posted by tech/a View Post
Get a grip girls.

Aussi's aren't immune to Racial taunts.Indians,Pakistanis,Negro's and Aborigines don't have exclusive racial slander rights.

Aussi's cop it as much as any other race,Role up in India and see the ribbing you get!

Every top sportsman has to bear the brunt of the tall poppy

syndrome.Whether team or individual.

Voice your opinion "God NO".
This politically correct,don't offend anyone rubbish.

Blouses!
Need Sammy Keckovich to come in and sort it out!

Not true. Please stop making stuff up. You obviously have never been to a cricket match in India.
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Pommiegranite said:
Not true. Please stop making stuff up. You obviously have never been to a cricket match in India.

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My 2c worth

I have travelled in India, while I loved it and found excellent hospitality, I did experience attitudes that could be construed as racist on many occasions.

I was not terribly offended though, xenophobia is something of a natural human tendency. You need to rise above it. It is an eye-opener to be treated differently cause of skin color ie "rich whitey"

My wife was on occasion, treated in a way that women would not find agreeable at all in Oz.

I dont think the Indians would have been anywhere near as aggrieved if they had not had defeat thrust upon them by so many poor umpiring decisions, Anil Kumble was at the crease undefeated at the end of the game. The circumstances of the loss would have made him act a lot more furiously than otherwise.

regards tony

2020hindsight · 17 January 2008

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2020hindsight said:
.....this thread completely ignores the facts.

1. Symonds snicked, ball moves visibly, snick heard in stands - not out ??
2. Bucknor trusts his naked eye when Symonds is out of his crease.
3. Ponting snicks and is caught - NOT OUT
4. Third umpire even gets it wrong when Symonds out of crease
5. Lee gets wicket with a noball
6. wrongly called out for a snick that is impossible
7. ball "caught" after bouncing
8. - simply the principle of asking the fielder did he catch it, when the same man (as a batsman) denies snicking it.

well for mine, it's as simple as 1 - 2 - 3
- 4 - 5 - etc to 8.

And let's nt forget that the entire cricketing world ( not just India and Pakistan) voiced their concerns to the ICC and hence the softening of the initial ruling against Harbhajan (spelling?) ( 3 match suspension etc)

PS That last comment is from an article posted back on another thread.
There are now multiple threads on this issue ... including some that had to be closed because race somehow muddled the waters - let's not ramp the race card - please - sheesh. This is about the competency of umpires, and the rules and their implementation (imo anyway)

PS lol - I often look at the bottom of the screen for "similar threads" - on this occasion we have "Corruption in Australia" amongst the similar threads

Buddy · 17 January 2008

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Could be right. Off to a good start - 14 for 3.

Driver · 17 January 2008

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Despite all the talk of "tradition" & what not, I for one, would not be unhappy if either:
a) every player was wired for sound
b) there were more sensitive mics in the wicket area

If they can do it for 20-20, no technical reason it can't be done for other forms of the game. I'm sure there are enough tragics to listen through hours of audio to catch any slights...

AND

Why not ban "appealing" all together? I don't see what positives it brings to the game (or any sport). I mean, it's really another form of our friend Leyton's "C-Mon" - isn't it?

doctorj · 17 January 2008

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Driver said:
Why not ban "appealing" all together? I don't see what positives it brings to the game (or any sport).

In cricket, you have to ask the umpire to give a batsman out (appeal). A batsman cannot be out without an appeal.

There may be exceptions, such as "timed out" in 20-20...

Driver · 17 January 2008

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Really? In all these year, I never knew that!

Well, simple solution - just limit the number of players that can appeal - maybe only the captain?

cuttlefish · 17 January 2008

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It'd be a pretty boring game without appeals, they just need some decent umpiring - they've got the technology.

tech/a · 18 January 2008

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Australia now severely depleated.

shares · 18 January 2008

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lol

Looks like another great Aussie win !!!

India flailing at 5/130, some one should teach them how to bat :

nioka · 18 January 2008

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shares said:
lol

Looks like another great Aussie win !!!

India flailing at 5/130, some one should teach them how to bat :

After yesterday, don't count on it being Ponting & co. as the teachers. They have a long hard grind ahead if they are to win.

2020hindsight · 19 January 2008

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Kumble the quiet and polite achiever

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/18/2141265.htm

..Anil Kumble...

When he claimed the wicket of Andrew Symonds today, he became the third member of one of Test cricket's most exclusive clubs, those to have claimed 600 wickets.

He joins Muttiah Muralidaran (723) and Shane Warne (708), yet in the process he's garnered a fraction of their publicity.

While Murali has been the target of incessant questioning over his action and Warne has made as many headlines for his performances off the field as on, Kumble has quietly gone about his work.

And what a career he's forged.

At 37 years of age and playing his 124th Test, he shows no signs of waning.

Indeed, with the added responsibility of captaincy, he seems to be relishing the challenges of Test cricket as much as any time in his long career.

He entered the Test arena against England at Old Trafford in 1990.

Of his own making, he then spent two years out of the international game as he completed his engineering degree........

Fast forward to today and in total he has claimed 35 five-wicket hauls, to sit at number four all-time behind Murali (62), Warne (37) and Sir Richard Hadlee (36).

A high-point of his career came in Delhi against Pakistan in 1999, when he captured 10 for 74 in an innings to join England off spinner Jim Laker as the second man to achieve the feat.

Raising the bar

His record against Australia shows how he raises the bar when pitted against the best.

In Sydney, he became the first Indian bowler to claim 100 Test wickets against Australia...........

While Murali and Warne may have garnered more headlines, Kumble's record in the game should never be diminished.

He is a fine bowler, a fine leader of men, and one of the game's leading contemporary statesmen.

2020hindsight · 19 January 2008

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Another quick comment -
gee but the tactics of when to appeal or not to appeal in tennis is a new dimension to the game

save the appeals for the critical points etc

Pommiegranite · 19 January 2008

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shares said:
lol

Looks like another great Aussie win !!!

India flailing at 5/130, some one should teach them how to bat :

WTF are you talking about? ROTFL!!

Anyways, its good to see the Australian team being good sports. Better losers than winners.

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