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Haha!

Now that would really "shock and awe" any invader.
 
lets ensure Kevin Rudd keeps his chinese vocabulary up to scratch,i can only see
(in a worse case scenario)China being logistically able to invade us in the medium term.
Come to think of it they have already invaded my wardrobe.

i think we have about 70 fa/18 hornets,about 20 f111s,some of these may be working,100 f35 jsf coming one day,and a few dozen m1/a1 abrahms tanks,not much to stop a large scale invasion!
really we keep a token home guarding force,relying much on our American friends to keep us protected.
And if they are no longer financially able to protect us well....bugger me!:run:
 

So juw177, do you think the Americans are gearing up for a time when oil becomes scarce by battle hardening the minds of American soldiers and develop/test the most sophisticated weaponry in the event of future conflict.
 
lol, with nuclear weaponry these days, I think it will take a lot more than a US recession or depression to starve them of military prowess.

Just ask Russia.
 
Will be quite some time before any country could attack Australia and put boots on the ground. We are lucky enough to have this big moat surrounding us, and the other team would need thousands of landing craft to get ashore. No one has them. They'd also require a significant blue water navy including aircraft carriers to conduct air attack on our support bases and airfields. No one has them, except the US. China will in 10-20 years though. India will be on our team I think. I also think you're underestimating the strength of the US military compared to every other country in the world. Others may have greater numbers, but the hardware and technological advantage the US has is incredible. Will be a long long time before the balance is completely shifed, even with economic meltdown, and they are left as a 'second rate power'. China will be a rival in 20 years, but the US economy may have picked back up by then, and then life will be very interesting...
 

That might just be a posibility, every soldier in the ADF is taught how to be a leader to some extent. Even the low ranks.

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt the US already said that if we were invaded, they wouldnt help with any of their military force?

We piggy back off them for there technology. Not backup.
 
Naked shorts said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasnt the US already said that if we were invaded, they wouldnt help with any of their military force?
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ANZUS Alliance. The NZ bit is on the outer at the moment because they don't allow nuclear ships to dock.
 

See how fast they are running away from Afganistan as soon as they started the war? All their force are in are in Iraq, there is nothing in Afganistan.

it's not always about profit.. it's about strategic interest that benefit you alot more down the track but it may cost you dearly initially.
 
Naked shorts said:
That might just be a posibility, every soldier in the ADF is taught how to be a leader to some extent. Even the low ranks.
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Correct. Australian soldiers are very versatile, not only being taught THEIR job, but the basics of their peers and immediate commanders. Cant say the same for our yankee counter-parts though. If you have ever worked with them then you know what I'm talking about.
 
Australia does have the capability and resources to make nuclear weapons. I would think any country thinking of invading Australia would think twice. Especially when we only have 21million people scattered over a large area and china has 1.3billion scattered over around the same area. I think 1 nuclear bomb would do a lot more damage in china then Australia.

Not to mention we would never be by ourselves - the US will always be there, the British will be there, NZ will be there, the whole of Indonesia (you would think) would be there.

If china decides to invade for resource reasons other countries won't sit back and watch as they could be next.

Just because we're small doesn't mean we are easy - we have a lot of allies.
 
adamim1 said:
the whole of Indonesia (you would think) would be there.
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Indonesia only has a small deployable force called KOSTRAD which is busy enough during peace time looking after it's own country. The rest are basically militia tied to their districts, or military area commands, and collecting fees off people to drive through their towns, to bolster their inclome. Their Navy and Airforce are a bit of a joke, although their recent purchases off the Russians are pretty good value. No one could attack and secure Indonesia now due to their policy of 'total defence', which incorporates large scale guerilla warefare using the total population. They never want another foreign power to occupy their country. And this is why they are not a threat to us. They are pretty much totally self defence focussed, and trying to hold 1800 islands together as one country. I highly doubt they would be running to our aid anytime soon after East Timor too. Still wounds to heal there. But, you never know the situation. I actually see them as another buffer between us and China, unless they join hands with the Chinese, but unlikely due to the Socialist/Communist thing. Who's to know what might happen in 10-20 years time though, they might just to save their own bacon.
 
kennas said:
China will in 10-20 years though. India will be on our team I think. I also think you're underestimating the strength of the US military compared to every other country in the world.
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A mate of mine who 'was' in the army said to me China already has flying replica's of the F22 Raptor and Euro Fighter.

Could be rubbish. I can understand why anyone would try and get the upper hand over the US.

Will we have another cold war?
 
Pat said:
A mate of mine who 'was' in the army said to me China already has flying replica's of the F22 Raptor and Euro Fighter.

Could be rubbish. I can understand why anyone would try and get the upper hand over the US.

Will we have another cold war?
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If Both sides can keep theire ego in check, perhaps another super power would be good for the global political balance.

I know it might be a hard call, but imagine china as a super power becoming alot more active in global affairs and actually teaming with the USA.

I think we should be embracing china as they come of age, not fearing them.
 
juw177 said:
Rarely in history has an empire just gone in and invaded a country. They fund covert operations to destablise it. Support the dissident uprisings and rebel groups (which they call freedom fighters) to get the population turning against themselves.
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no, thats how westerners do it. previous chinese efforts in vietnam and tibet were pretty straightforward, just roll in the tanks and bury dissenters, although vietnam didn't work out too well for them. we recently saw from the japanese how they go about it, just butcher everyone you come across, obviously china is still a little sore about that. north korea with chinas help were pretty straightforward about south korea as well, all instances when they've just marched straight in and invaded. your history is often very fuzzy juw.

a grab for NW australia at some stage isn't out of the realms of possibility, but the backlash against the chinese here would be extreme. it would be a bitch to hold the area let alone get any meaningful production out of it, and white australia has a solid military tradition which i would not discount. it would almost be a good thing if china did invade so we could mobilise and focus as a society instead of continuing to sleepwalk into a decidedly dodgy future.
 
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