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Australia China relations

Yes, I agree. Why the but?

Well, it's the 'per capita' bit. Australia is not responsible for global boiling. In fact, as a continent, we are a CO2 sink. We reduce the overall effect of global emissions, like many other large countries with high per capita emissions. Let's point the finger in the right direction.
 
We all are responsible.
Australia is the 14th highest emitter in the world which isn't a bad effort because we wouldn't be close to that in population.
China contributes 30%. USA 14%.
We are 1.2%. UK is 1%. We can't be proud.

Look at graph below and tell me we are doing our bit. At least we beat Saudi Arabia. Largest 15 countries for emmissions shown in graph following.

 

Actually, I thought Australia was the 1st or 2nd biggest emitter pp. Pretty bad for a continent. Hmm, why would that be? Maybe because most of it is uninhabitable.

But, according to the science, the problem is not pp, it's total global emissions. The troposphere does not warm according to per capita over a particular country, it's total emissions from anywhere, including sheep farts and cow burps from NZ, or Argentina.

As I said above, science also tells us that Australia is actually a CO2 sink. We suck up more CO2 than we disperse.

Go to the Our World in Data CO2 page and pump in as many variations as you like to see who is actually spitting out CO2 which is destroying the planet.
 
Just fascinating watching this back and forth.

I opened this discussion on Aust-Chinese relations (not CC) on the current widespread natural disasters impacting on China. The latest is a severe earthquake. My comment was humanitarian and diplomatic. In fact many countries offer disaster aid even to perceived threats for many diplomatic as well as humanitarian and commercial reasons.

So along comes Sean. Totally ignores the human havoc being experienced and suggest/demands China should shut down all its current coal fired power as well as future ones. Decides that these overwhelming disasters are caused by human created GG and, because China in the last 30 years, has become a major GG contributor it needs to be treated as the major instigator of this massive global heating disaster.

This is the CC disaster that Sean steadfastly says elsewhere is overblown, alarmist and needs to be kicked to the curb at every opportunity. Unless of course there is an opportunity to lay the entire blame on some else ie China/India.
 
We didn't use to be the second worst.
Quite a few countries beat us once including the USA and Canada (who need a lot of heating).
We had to work at it. Let's go for number 1
 
We didn't use to be the second worst.
Quite a few countries beat us once including the USA and Canada (who need a lot of heating).
We had to work at it. Let's go for number 1

There's some very good reasons for getting to number 1: No hydro - except for Tassie (let's not start with the prohibition of dams, Bradshaw Scheme or Snowie debarcles), massive transmission lines required between pop centres for RE, and the no-nuclear nut cases.

Being number 1 will still mean that as a continent we spit out about 1% of the World's CO2, while China do what? 30% and climbing until 2060?

If the World is serious about stopping climate change, Greta and the UN would be on China's doorstep. But, no.

So, it's quite clear what the priorities are.

Saddle up. Pick your team.
 

You diverted the topic to CC.

You're implying an earthquake was due to CC.

You are the one saying CC is 'cataclysmic.'
 
Aluminium smelters, from coal fired power stations... And a low dispersed population

The dispersed population thing is a major issue. Biggest cause of our emissions, probably.

Enough coal and gas to power the rest of the planet for another 300 years or so is also a problem.

Then, there is the major problem of being one of the most liveable countries in the World, even though it's practically a desert.
 
Aluminium smelters, from coal fired power stations... And a low dispersed population
Our population is highly concentrated. No, its just that we are backward.
Look at Texas, well in front of us. We will catch up.
Much better position than most countries for renewable power. Huge expanses and good weather.
 

I was saying, and still say, that when any country suffers overwhelming disasters IMO it is just good policy as well as humanity to offer some support.
 
I was saying, and still say, that when any country suffers overwhelming disasters IMO it is just good policy as well as humanity to offer some support.

I agree. If Global Boiling is so much of an issue we should divert all our resources to China and India. You go first.
 
Australia blindsided by Beijing’s deal with Dili. Was it really?

"Last year, Wong accused the former Morrison government of having “dropped the ball” in the Pacific over the Solomon Islands decision to sign a security agreement with China. But it was under her watch in July that the two nations signed their own CSP and law enforcement pact allowing a greater Chinese police presence in the country, one that could potentially see Beijing replace Australia as the Solomons’ provider of choice for police training and backup."

Labor government policy, anyone? Changing the geopolitical landscape to Labor's long-time views, with the added benefit of a friendlier relations with China and bigger trade deals.

Gas, money and spies: Time running out for Timor-Woodside deal How will this new deal between Beijing and Deli affect Woodside?

In a game of political-corporate brinkmanship, Woodside is adamant the only commercial option is to process the gas at the established energy hub of Darwin.





 
We all are responsible.
Australia is the 14th highest emitter in the world which isn't a bad effort because we wouldn't be close to that in population.
China contributes 30%. USA 14%.
We are 1.2%. UK is 1%. We can't be proud.
I don't deny that's true but on the other hand, I find it absolutely ridiculous that Australian business, any business, is forced by our government to compete directly against imports from China.

What makes anyone think China's telling the truth about its CO2 emissions? It's a country that spray paints mine tailing dumps green after all (and also paints pigs black and chillies red).


I don't wish conflict with China but I do find it ridiculous that we don't have import tariffs on all goods from countries known to be using unfair business tactics that wouldn't be even remotely legal here.

That's the big problem with the CO2 issue. Successive Australian governments have been more than happy to "fix" the problem by throwing Australian industry under the bus and having production relocated to you know where. That's just not good enough to be blunt and it's the primary reason that issue still hasn't been resolved.

Any actual solution to that problem won't provide a backdoor exemption for products made overseas.

Noting for clarity that I've nothing against Chinese people and I don't intend the comment as in any way racist. Australia should however be backing Australian business first and foremost and it's just not good enough to give free kicks to others, most notably China, under the guise of environmental or other measures.
 
These free trade treaties often seem to work against us.
 
That is huge for Australia, while we are ponsing on China is going to rip off the gas and probably build a deep water harbour, what a hoot.

So we have the Solomon Islands with Chinese facilities, Timorese ties are going to put a real pincer movement on Australia if things turn ugly.


China and East Timor have upgraded bilateral ties to a comprehensive strategic partnership, potentially giving Beijing more influence in the region while satisfying the young half-island nation's desire for stronger ties with major economies.

The agreement to enhance relations came after China's President Xi Jinping met with East Timor's Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou ahead of the opening ceremony of the Asian Games, the Chinese foreign ministry said in a statement on Saturday.
 

CNN's Fareed Zakaria explains why he disagrees with former lawmakers' call for a Cold War-style China policy, saying it would be dangerous and impractical.
 
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