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Hi SKC,
Are you still pair trading? If so in what capacity and how are you finding it, if not what are you concentrating on at the moment?
Personally I am pair trading very little compared to 5 years ago. I have found that either the edge has been arbed away or I need the volatility we had closer to the GFC.

Hi edman,

I am still pairs trading but I am doing 4-5x more volume in directional stuff these days. It illustrates where my focus has been although it is not a fair comparison given the much shorter term nature of my directional trading. In terms of P&L on each strategy, it swings around a bit but it's probably 20-30% pairs on average, although month-to-month variations can be quite big.

I agree that the trades on offer don't seem to be as good these days - but I am comparing it to say 2-3 years ago rather than 5. One thing I haven't done much of late is data analysis on my trades... like comparing prices traded vs signal, average % gained etc (like the stuff that I used to do on my journal 4 years ago). So I don't know for sure if my feeling of declining pair profitability was in fact supported by real data as opposed to just bad trading. For instance, when the strategy isn't performing well and you develop a low expectation per trade, you end up taking any quick profits you see so the impact from the occasional extended divergence is exacerbated, which makes the profitability look worse than the actual underlying system.

However, there are a few observations that I think is true though without resorting to data.

- The REITs was great stable income for a while but the edge is definitely thinner. 3-4% was a good solid trade which 2% is probably more the norm today. The divergence between different REITs (retail vs office vs residential, passive vs active mangers) have been strong and persistence, especially in 2017, although this has certainly happened before.

- Quite a few sectors have "thinned out" in tradable ranks. Utilities used to be a good sector but now there's really only 3 names (AST, APA, SKI) left - noting that 4 names give you 6 possible pair candidates which 3 names give you only 2. Same with telco (IIN, MTU, AMM out), mining services (every one is a takeover risk), media (all $hit), age care (all $hit) and selected commodities (energy, nickle, iron ore etc) thanks to the decline in second tier names (AGO/MGX used to be a trade). But off the top of my head I can't think of any meaningful addition to my favourites list.

- The rise of ETFs and other indexers are most likely impacting pairs trading. Gold in particular is dominated by GDX/GDXJ and some volatility can be huge and lasts longer than the typical pairs holding period. There is most likely a way to profit on the back of them but I am not there yet.

- The rise in "shockers" frequencies which I think increases the tail risks - although one could argue that you can just as easily be on the right side.

It's probably worth maintaining a certain low level of activity as long as pairs trading remain profitable... and as long as it doesn't impact your other trading. That's the best way to keep a pulse on the strategy itself and give you the opportunity to explore new niches (e.g. how to deal with ETF?) whilst waiting for volatility to return.
 
PTF has PRO version almost ready. I asked for a list of improvements and they sent the following:

- integration with Interactive Brokers for real-time and historic data and to enable greybox trading.
- Real-time data is available to Pro user at no extra cost above their Interactive Brokers' cost, covering over 50 markets, equities, ETFs, bonds, options, futures, FX, CFDs
- expanded and improved backtester output set to easily screen for smooth equity curves including CAGR%, Max DD%, Profit Factor etc.
- ability to input estimated commissions and slippage into every backtest, improved backtester accuracy
- a new RSI filter for backtesting and trade signal generation
- built-in links to News, Earnings Calendars/Corporate Actions and detailed Fundamentals on each symbol
- one-click ability to view historic backtest results for Watchlist pairs
- Addition of Comments section on all Watchlist pairs to allow priority ranking of pairs and Trading Signals
- expanded price charting and relative performance comparison capability for each pair
- standalone PTF email server for client email alerts, working off of AWS USA
- increased speed and reliability, continual debugging
- some autoloaded pairs, ability for Event Driven Investor Ltd. (PTF owner) to autoload pairs files to users directly
- clear and simple Trade Alerts wording
- ability to customise the look and feel of PTF with nine available skins
- We will also have a full suite of How To videos covering all the basics of getting started in pairtrading and how to use all of the new features

I hope this may help some of you who have waited a long time, including me, to receive news of the PRO version.
 
Hi All,
Is anyone still using PTF?
I noticed mine was playing up so I tried re-installing and the new install would not pick up any stock history from yahoo feed. I then saw the other thread regarding amiquote issues with the yahoo feed... http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2017/05/17/amiquote-3-14-released/

It would seem something has changed in the yahoo service.
Is anyones PTF working at the moment?
 
Hi All,
Is anyone still using PTF?
I noticed mine was playing up so I tried re-installing and the new install would not pick up any stock history from yahoo feed. I then saw the other thread regarding amiquote issues with the yahoo feed... http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2017/05/17/amiquote-3-14-released/

It would seem something has changed in the yahoo service.
Is anyones PTF working at the moment?
Ahhhhh!!!
For once its not an issue specific to me it seems. Yes my watchlist is not populating.
Frustrating times continue...
Lucky my trading has moved away from pairs in that now it is only 10-20% of my overall activity - although with several pairs currently open this is not ideal.
 
Just looked at the GLD/GDXJ spread. It is large at 21%. That is definitely worth a trade as it is already starting to move to close the spread.

jog on
duc
 
Hey SKC, since yours is still working, when you get some time can you just add a new stock (any stock) to PTF and then check on the security list whether the stock history exists?

Nope. It is unable to load the history of the new stock. BTW I am still running v3.22 which may or may not explain why the existing pairs are still running.

Just looked at the GLD/GDXJ spread. It is large at 21%. That is definitely worth a trade as it is already starting to move to close the spread.

jog on
duc

Interesting. ETFs are not something I trade but pairing ETFs have good advantages over shares...
 
Hi All,
Is anyone still using PTF?
I noticed mine was playing up so I tried re-installing and the new install would not pick up any stock history from yahoo feed. I then saw the other thread regarding amiquote issues with the yahoo feed... http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2017/05/17/amiquote-3-14-released/

It would seem something has changed in the yahoo service.
Is anyones PTF working at the moment?

I am currently beta testing PTF Pro. They have just sent an email with notification about changes within Yahoo -
"Since 17th May 2017, Yahoo! Finance's Free Datafeed has experienced issues.
Recent statements by a Yahoo employee suggest that the service will be curtailed
as a result the Verizon/Yahoo merger, expected to close shortly.

This unfortunate occurrence has left many third-party software providers without
a feed. This event is fully out of our control.

In the meantime, delayed intraday data seems to be still flowing through
the Yahoo API, however the historic data has stopped.

We are currently studying possible solutions to maintain a free datasource that
can meet the rigours of pair trading analysis, including workarounds to the new
Yahoo configuration. We do not have a timeline or certainty of a replacement
at this point in time.

Fortunately, Pairtrade Finder has datafeed redundancy through a built-in
integration with IQ Feed for high-quality real-time and historic data."

The new Pro version has the ability to access Interactive Brokers' feed for pricing, if you use their broking.
 
How many of you have/did have PTF? I would like to know.

If you are using PTF you should be on version 3.27.
 
How many of you have/did have PTF? I would like to know.

If you are using PTF you should be on version 3.27.

I am using PTF, albeit version 3.22. I last tried to update 3.27 and somehow my anti virus thought it was malicious and deleted my .exe file. Haven't got around to doing it again....

Why do you want to know how many here are using PTF?
 
I am using PTF, albeit version 3.22. I last tried to update 3.27 and somehow my anti virus thought it was malicious and deleted my .exe file. Haven't got around to doing it again....

Why do you want to know how many here are using PTF?
Just a matter of interest. I am beta testing the new PRO version to assist in ironing out the last of the bugs. The alert system now works well as PTF has solved the problem by routing messages back through their server. With Yahoo feed stopping soon we need to move over to Interactive Brokers I believe. PTF apparently has a deal going with IB as they are known and PRO has a link to access the IB data feed so it may be the only way to update PTF PRO. I have started to apply to IB for an account but am not happy with their service. 20 minute waits and so I have given up calling them and use email instead. Waiting to see why I can't just call them and get through quickly to talk to a human. Will report further progress here in future.
 
Just a matter of interest. I am beta testing the new PRO version to assist in ironing out the last of the bugs. The alert system now works well as PTF has solved the problem by routing messages back through their server. With Yahoo feed stopping soon we need to move over to Interactive Brokers I believe. PTF apparently has a deal going with IB as they are known and PRO has a link to access the IB data feed so it may be the only way to update PTF PRO. I have started to apply to IB for an account but am not happy with their service. 20 minute waits and so I have given up calling them and use email instead. Waiting to see why I can't just call them and get through quickly to talk to a human. Will report further progress here in future.

IB would be a decent partner because it's platform may be capable of running the PTF automated. The telephone service is not great and Australian clients are supported offshore. The ticket message system is pretty good but it may only be available once it's operational.

What do you think is a realistic timeframe for the release of PTF Pro?
 
A question..

In the last few days my PTF is really slowing down my computer. It's not doing anything out of the ordinary, but it seems to be taking up most of my CPU usage (fluctuating between 80-95%) according to Windows Task Manager.

This doesn't feel normal. Any suggestion as to the cause and the solution?

Thanks.
 
A question..

In the last few days my PTF is really slowing down my computer. It's not doing anything out of the ordinary, but it seems to be taking up most of my CPU usage (fluctuating between 80-95%) according to Windows Task Manager.

This doesn't feel normal. Any suggestion as to the cause and the solution?

Thanks.

Go to task manager / details and see exactly which process is using up all the processing power and memory. Try disabling it to see if it's necessary for the running of the program. Save work first. Download a clean version.
 
A question..

In the last few days my PTF is really slowing down my computer. It's not doing anything out of the ordinary, but it seems to be taking up most of my CPU usage (fluctuating between 80-95%) according to Windows Task Manager.

This doesn't feel normal. Any suggestion as to the cause and the solution?

Thanks.
You are 1 step ahead in that your PTF is still actually working!
Regarding the performance, mine has been burdening my system for around 12 months now..and it got severly worse as these latest data issues arose a week or so ago - so I think it might be related to importing the data?
 
You are 1 step ahead in that your PTF is still actually working!
Regarding the performance, mine has been burdening my system for around 12 months now..and it got severly worse as these latest data issues arose a week or so ago - so I think it might be related to importing the data?

Hey all,
When yahoo stopped providing the historical data feed I emailed PTF and have been disappointed in their response. They have several options to repair/replace the data feed with very little effort but have chosen not to.
software updates seem to have ground to a halt. Being left with few viable options I have written my own software so I can continue to trade without the restrictions of having no free historical feed.
I am happy to email to those that have been left in the lurch like myself just DM me....

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Hey all,
When yahoo stopped providing the historical data feed I emailed PTF and have been disappointed in their response. They have several options to repair/replace the data feed with very little effort but have chosen not to.
software updates seem to have ground to a halt. Being left with few viable options I have written my own software so I can continue to trade without the restrictions of having no free historical feed.
I am happy to email to those that have been left in the lurch like myself just DM me....

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I have been beta testing PTF Pro since 1 May 2017. A few minor bugs all cleaned up and it is running smoothly. Probably 5 times faster on loading - lovely. Cosmetically, no real changes. However, the alerts work perfectly as PTF sends them through an Amazon server. I am no longer tied to the screen and can go have a coffee down the road where the email will reach me and I can make decisions from there using Teamviewer to connect to my home PC. What a wonderful world.
I setup an account with IB but not operating yet. I have found them extremely difficult to contact by phone and the don't understand what IG Market's "Force Open" means which allows me to have multiple trades on one stock at different prices - pair trading - their only option is I think OCP which will close both trades at once. Sometimes I like to keep one side open for a little while and hopefully catch a better closing price.
I really recommend the PRO version.....
 
I have been beta testing PTF Pro since 1 May 2017. A few minor bugs all cleaned up and it is running smoothly. Probably 5 times faster on loading - lovely. Cosmetically, no real changes. However, the alerts work perfectly as PTF sends them through an Amazon server. I am no longer tied to the screen and can go have a coffee down the road where the email will reach me and I can make decisions from there using Teamviewer to connect to my home PC. What a wonderful world.

Good to hear. Thanks for the update.

I setup an account with IB but not operating yet. I have found them extremely difficult to contact by phone and the don't understand what IG Market's "Force Open" means which allows me to have multiple trades on one stock at different prices - pair trading - their only option is I think OCP which will close both trades at once. Sometimes I like to keep one side open for a little while and hopefully catch a better closing price.

I don't know if IB is the right broker for pairs trading... IB doesn't offer enough leverage and have less number of stocks available for shorting. Although it's been a few years since I used IB for trading so things could have changed.

I don't understand why you'd need the "force open" functionality with pairs? Unless you also trade outrights using the same account... and happen to have a signal to short XYZ while you happen to hold it long under a different strategy.
 
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