Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

nunthewiser · 12 May 2009

beamstas said:
There is a name for the condition people like you suffer, it is called tall poppy syndrome.

me ?? lol unreal ........ i bit back at techyys obvious emotion filled moment and im a tall poppy ?........... tech likes to give pppl ****e here but cant handle any back ? . its ok for him to give me constant ****e about my posts EVEN tho ive picked directions and timing down to a T lately in other threads .....but when i return the ribbing he stomps off like a blooody 5 yr old??

unreal

i do realise you have run in to back up your swami but please.... get it right darl

Cartman · 12 May 2009

tech/a said:
Hell I was w---w----ww---wrong! (About my call).

It did open higher though.

that was funny

nunthewiser said:
again ...............

that was funny

tech/a said:
I'll admit when wrong.

However some here like yourself have no input and hence no ability to even suggest a trade setup let alone a trade management structure.
Others like Yogi who cant tolerate being in correct.

Ive had a flick through your posts Nun --- what is it exactly you bring to the forum?
Other than being a smart ****.

Perhaps its time to do a Radge/Wayne.
Its pretty obvious people like you would rather follow the flock of fools.

dont really understand the change of tone considering both previous posts were nothing more than humorous

nunthewiser said:
mmmm i suggest you read my posts again dear as there is PLENTY of trade entrys / thoughts on directions posted AND in fact I actuallyt give a definate answer be it righgt or wrong UNLIKE most that will post vague directions or hindsite bull so they dont look silly if they wrong

i agree

beamstas said:
There is a name for the condition people like you suffer, it is called tall poppy syndrome.

i disagree

tech/a · 12 May 2009

In all seriousness and I do believe nun was attempting to be funny.

Obviously I'll take it personally.

To be honest Ive been thinking of logging off for sometime.
Takes a lot of work and I cant justify the time spent.Find myself answering questions most of the time I log on.

There is a lot of misinformation on this board.
There is a lot of rubbish.
There are less numbers of experienced posters.
There are 100s of would be's.
100s of never will be's and very few who are the real deal.

Pity

No longer is it a traders board.
If you have a good look you'll find little content and an abundance of conflict.
Those who I know were genuine contributors have and had come to the conclusion well before I of---"Why Bother"

And really when I think about it they are right.
I reckon after 14 yrs of doing a "Niel Jenman" on the idiot factor---- "Why Bother".

My time is better spent.
A sincere best of luck to you all.
I really do hope you all search out opportunity and success.
Life is/can really be an amazing journey.

bunyip · 12 May 2009

MRC & Co said:
Yeh, sorry, don't mean to be a nazi, but Trader Paul seems like a good bloke, his method of analysis and even application maybe vastly different from that espoused around here (application even as far as "let winners run, hard stop losses" etc), but there are extremelly consistent and profitable traders who don't practice any of this.

I'm sure Trader Paul has done years worth of this stuff, so if you don't understand it, then perhaps go and do the hours and then come back and have a discussion, or if you do understand it and don't believe in it, then don't practice it, but no need to keep on and on about it and rubbish their thread (not directed at anyone personally, just the general theme of which the thread has turned).

Just my thoughts.

Yeh, Paul seems like an all right sort of bloke to me too. He's been posting for years on various forums, often calling himself Yogi. His methods don't make any sense at all to me, but maybe it's just me not understanding them properly.
They seem unnecessarily complex to those of us who employ the simple strategy of finding a trend, climbing aboard the damn thing and going for a ride.
One thing that raised my eyebrows years ago was when Paul/Yogi was on a forum called Trading Whispers, and he was offering a free bottle of wine to purchasers of his course.
No offence intended to Paul, but I did find it mildly amusing that he felt the need to try and entice purchasers by offering them a free bottle of plonk.
And I wondered why he'd be selling courses anyway, rather than just trading his method and raking in the profits.
Having said that, I'm aware that some successful traders do sell courses in addition to actually trading themselves. Nick Radge for example - a man I hold in high regard.
But generally, I think we're justified in being dubious about people who sell trading courses.

If I was Yogi and I was using my trading method to pull consistent profits from the markets, I'd be telling my detractors that I couldn't care less what they thought. I sure as hell wouldn't be arguing with them and feeling some obligation to prove myself.
But Yogi does argue with his detractors, and he does seem to have a need to try and convince people of the validity of his approach.
I therefore respectfully suggest to Paul/Yogi that he silence his critics by demonstrating his trades as they occur, together with trading statements to show that he took the trade...what better way to deal with his detractors.

nunthewiser · 12 May 2009

tech/a said:
In all seriousness and I do believe nun was attempting to be funny.

Obviously I'll take it personally.

My time is better spent.
A sincere best of luck to you all.
I really do hope you all search out opportunity and success.
Life is/can really be an amazing journey.

it was a reply to the dig you gave me in the elliot/xao thread when i agreed with ozwave .you said its time to go opposite .... was jokes up until i returned the joke to you ...... if you take it personally thats your problem . no need to get rude about it

sincerely wish you all the best if you are leaving but also think some should leave there oversensitivitys at the door OR not give out sheeet if they dont want it returned

i enjoy and respect 90% of your posts and believe you are a great asset to this forum ...... BUT i too offer and bring stuff to the table here .just because it is not set out in a way you may approve of , dont make it any less valuable

again ......... i wish you well tech/a...........and its a shame that you feel the need to leave

Timmy · 12 May 2009

nunthewiser said:
its a shame that you feel the need to leave

Yep, agree with nun.

Tech, I and I know many, many others appreciate your posts; I particularly value the great contributions you have made about VSA and the ongoing management of VSA-based trades. If you do decide to pull up stumps here at least we have all your past contributions to reflect on and I know I will be referring new forum participants to your trading posts for quite some time to come.

I hope you can have a cup of tea and a bikkie and come back to us!

sails · 12 May 2009

Hey don't go yet, Tech. Have been working on charts that are nearly ready to post up!

You have contributed a lot of value to ASF - hopefully you will still pop in from time to time...

Trader Paul · 16 May 2009

Hi folks,

Gann stressed the importance of anniversaries, in our astroanalysis.

For example, CTO ..... has pulled back to a significant low in May
each year, since 2004 .....

In May 2005 a double bottom was confirmed with the
May 2004 lows, just before rallying from 10-to-58 cents.

Right now, CTO is also making a double bottom, around
.165 cents, with increased volumes evident, in 2009.

With two significant and positive time cycles expected
to be triggered over the next couple of weeks, CTO
seems to be technically prime for lift-off ... !~!

Updated CTO chart, attached below.

have a great weekend

paul

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beamstas · 16 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi folks,

Gann stressed the importance of anniversaries, in our astroanalysis.

For example, CTO ..... has pulled back to a significant low in May
each year, since 2004 .....

In May 2005 a double bottom was confirmed with the
May 2004 lows, just before rallying from 10-to-58 cents.

Right now, CTO is also making a double bottom, around
.165 cents, with increased volumes evident, in 2009.

With two significant and positive time cycles expected
to be triggered over the next couple of weeks, CTO
seems to be technically prime for lift-off ... !~!

Updated CTO chart, attached below.

have a great weekend

paul

=====

I wish you would actually put some analysis on your chart.. like sails does...
Anyone can upload a chart with a few ma's on it

maybe show a monthly chart with those lows you are talking about?

At least something

bunyip · 16 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi folks,

Gann stressed the importance of anniversaries, in our astroanalysis.

For example, CTO ..... has pulled back to a significant low in May
each year, since 2004 .....

In May 2005 a double bottom was confirmed with the
May 2004 lows, just before rallying from 10-to-58 cents.

Right now, CTO is also making a double bottom, around
.165 cents, with increased volumes evident, in 2009.

With two significant and positive time cycles expected
to be triggered over the next couple of weeks, CTO
seems to be technically prime for lift-off ... !~!

Updated CTO chart, attached below.

have a great weekend

paul

=====

So Paul, are you going to trade this one? And if so, how?
Will you buy the open on Monday?
Wait for the uptrend to be confirmed, then buy on a temporary pullback?
Wait for a chart pattern to signal an entry?

It'd be good if you could give us some insights about the best way to handle this stock from here on, so that the anticipated lift off can be taken advantage of if it occurs.

Trader Paul · 17 May 2009

bunyip said:
So Paul, are you going to trade this one? And if so, how?
Will you buy the open on Monday?
Wait for the uptrend to be confirmed, then buy on a temporary pullback?
Wait for a chart pattern to signal an entry?

It'd be good if you could give us some insights about the best way to handle this stock from here on, so that the anticipated lift off can be taken advantage of if it occurs.

Hi Bunyip,

CTO entry ... aggressive traders may well take a trade, after some negative news from CTO, expected around 19-20052009 (vertical blue dotted line)
...... here we will be looking for a test of 082008 lows at about 15 cents
(and final low?), before the next rally starts ... and if 15 cents holds, then
set a stop loss around 14-14.5 cents, on entry.

More conservative traders may wait for a bounce (and confirmation)
off the expected lows, next week ... making an entry on a breakout
above previous significant resistance at 18 cents, after the change
in trend has been confirmed.

Attached CTO chart clearly shows the 2 hammers that marked the lows
on 04-05082008 (also double-bottom low on those 2 days), shown as
a black dotted horizontal line, at 15 cents.

In the chart, the past week brought us a doji that failed and a weak
harami on Friday last ..... though price action finished on its highs,
the volume was not as high as the previous down-day ... so not
convincing enough to take a trade yet, as a confirmed low is not
yet in place ... waiting.

On chart patterns, even a cursory glance at the CTO chart reveals a
"flagship" candle of a hammer or doji, commonly marking the lows in
this stock ..... downside candle count is about 12 now, so becoming
extreme and alerting us to a change in trend, soon.

Confirmation of the lows may well come, with the anticipated trigger
of several positive time cycles, which are due to come into play, over
the next few weeks ...

26-27052009 ... positive cycle, expected to trigger a positive move.

02-03062009 ... positive time cycle ... finances ???

09-10062009 ... negative news expected here

17-18062009 ... positive spotlight on CTO = rally expected here

02072009 ... 4 time cycles interacting here, so some major news
would not be surprising, at this time.

... so, let's see how CTO unfolds, over the next couple of months.

have a great day

paul

P.S. ..... that bit about the wine offer is definitely NOT true, as my wine
is shared with NOBODY ... lol

=====

Trader Paul · 17 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi Bunyip,

CTO entry ... aggressive traders may well take a trade, after some negative news from CTO, expected around 19-20052009 (vertical blue dotted line)
...... here we will be looking for a test of 082008 lows at about 15 cents
(and final low?), before the next rally starts ... and if 15 cents holds, then
set a stop loss around 14-14.5 cents, on entry.

More conservative traders may wait for a bounce (and confirmation)
off the expected lows, next week ... making an entry on a breakout
above previous significant resistance at 18 cents, after the change
in trend has been confirmed.

Attached CTO chart clearly shows the 2 hammers that marked the lows
on 04-05082008 (also double-bottom low on those 2 days), shown as
a black dotted horizontal line, at 15 cents.

In the chart, the past week brought us a doji that failed and a weak
harami on Friday last ..... though price action finished on its highs,
the volume was not as high as the previous down-day ... so not
convincing enough to take a trade yet, as a confirmed low is not
yet in place ... waiting.

On chart patterns, even a cursory glance at the CTO chart reveals a
"flagship" candle of a hammer or doji, commonly marking the lows in
this stock ..... downside candle count is about 12 now, so becoming
extreme and alerting us to a change in trend, soon.

Confirmation of the lows may well come, with the anticipated trigger
of several positive time cycles, which are due to come into play, over
the next few weeks ...

26-27052009 ... positive cycle, expected to trigger a positive move.

02-03062009 ... positive time cycle ... finances ???

09-10062009 ... negative news expected here

17-18062009 ... positive spotlight on CTO = rally expected here

02072009 ... 4 time cycles interacting here, so some major news
would not be surprising, at this time.

... so, let's see how CTO unfolds, over the next couple of months.

have a great day

paul

=====

..... here's that updated CTO chart ... zoomed in, from 082008 lows,
until now .....

Trader Paul · 17 May 2009

beamstas said:
I wish you would actually put some analysis on your chart.. like sails does...
Anyone can upload a chart with a few ma's on it

maybe show a monthly chart with those lows you are talking about?

At least something

..... and for those who have broken arms and need to be spoonfed,
here's a CTO monthly chart, since 2000 ..... !~!

It's Snake Pliskin · 17 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi Bunyip,

CTO entry ... aggressive traders may well take a trade, after some negative news from CTO, expected around 19-20052009 (vertical blue dotted line)
...... here we will be looking for a test of 082008 lows at about 15 cents
(and final low?), before the next rally starts ... and if 15 cents holds, then
set a stop loss around 14-14.5 cents, on entry.

More conservative traders may wait for a bounce (and confirmation)
off the expected lows, next week ... making an entry on a breakout
above previous significant resistance at 18 cents, after the change
in trend has been confirmed.

Attached CTO chart clearly shows the 2 hammers that marked the lows
on 04-05082008 (also double-bottom low on those 2 days), shown as
a black dotted horizontal line, at 15 cents.

In the chart, the past week brought us a doji that failed and a weak
harami on Friday last ..... though price action finished on its highs,
the volume was not as high as the previous down-day ... so not
convincing enough to take a trade yet, as a confirmed low is not
yet in place ... waiting.

On chart patterns, even a cursory glance at the CTO chart reveals a
"flagship" candle of a hammer or doji, commonly marking the lows in
this stock ..... downside candle count is about 12 now, so becoming
extreme and alerting us to a change in trend, soon.

Confirmation of the lows may well come, with the anticipated trigger
of several positive time cycles, which are due to come into play, over
the next few weeks ...

26-27052009 ... positive cycle, expected to trigger a positive move.

02-03062009 ... positive time cycle ... finances ???

09-10062009 ... negative news expected here

17-18062009 ... positive spotlight on CTO = rally expected here

02072009 ... 4 time cycles interacting here, so some major news
would not be surprising, at this time.

... so, let's see how CTO unfolds, over the next couple of months.

have a great day

paul

P.S. ..... that bit about the wine offer is definitely NOT true, as my wine
is shared with NOBODY ... lol

=====

Trader Paul,

How is negative or positive news derived form your analysis?

Do you trade the negative or positive news that you post?

bunyip · 17 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi Bunyip,

CTO entry ... aggressive traders may well take a trade, after some negative news from CTO, expected around 19-20052009 (vertical blue dotted line)
...... here we will be looking for a test of 082008 lows at about 15 cents
(and final low?), before the next rally starts ... and if 15 cents holds, then
set a stop loss around 14-14.5 cents, on entry.

More conservative traders may wait for a bounce (and confirmation)
off the expected lows, next week ... making an entry on a breakout
above previous significant resistance at 18 cents, after the change
in trend has been confirmed.

Attached CTO chart clearly shows the 2 hammers that marked the lows
on 04-05082008 (also double-bottom low on those 2 days), shown as
a black dotted horizontal line, at 15 cents.

In the chart, the past week brought us a doji that failed and a weak
harami on Friday last ..... though price action finished on its highs,
the volume was not as high as the previous down-day ... so not
convincing enough to take a trade yet, as a confirmed low is not
yet in place ... waiting.

On chart patterns, even a cursory glance at the CTO chart reveals a
"flagship" candle of a hammer or doji, commonly marking the lows in
this stock ..... downside candle count is about 12 now, so becoming
extreme and alerting us to a change in trend, soon.

Confirmation of the lows may well come, with the anticipated trigger
of several positive time cycles, which are due to come into play, over
the next few weeks ...

26-27052009 ... positive cycle, expected to trigger a positive move.

02-03062009 ... positive time cycle ... finances ???

09-10062009 ... negative news expected here

17-18062009 ... positive spotlight on CTO = rally expected here

02072009 ... 4 time cycles interacting here, so some major news
would not be surprising, at this time.

... so, let's see how CTO unfolds, over the next couple of months.

have a great day

paul

P.S. ..... that bit about the wine offer is definitely NOT true, as my wine
is shared with NOBODY ... lol

=====

Paul - thanks for the post. I'll follow this one through with interest to see how those strategies perform.

The bottle of wine offer was made on Trading Whispers, a 'not for profit' forum that was owned and funded by a woman called Kerry who went by the name of Kez. Someone called Yogi who was into Gann and astro analysis, offered his course with a bottle of wine chucked in for the purchaser. Somebody complained to Kez, the moderator, about Yogi getting free advertising on a forum that had a 'no advertising' policy. She removed the post.
What I've described definitely occurred - it's not a figment of my imagination. If it wasn't you, then there is/was a second Yogi out there somewhere who was selling a Gann/Astro course.

Again, thanks for your explanation of the strategies for playing CTO. I won't be critical If your analysis turns out to be wrong.....geez, I get plenty wrong myself!

Trader Paul · 19 May 2009

It's Snake Pliskin said:
Trader Paul,

How is negative or positive news derived form your analysis?

Do you trade the negative or positive news that you post?

---

Hi Snake,

Positive and negative news may be determined by planetary movements
triggering positive or negative aspects, associated with individual stocks.

There's several approaches to trading the anticipated news ... some
traders will take a position before the time, especially where positive
news is expected ..... other traders will wait for the anticipated news
to be delivered and watch for a market reaction, before taking a trade.

Likewise, anticipated negative news may be a time for some traders to
take profits, before the news becomes generally known.

have a great day

paul

=====

Trader Paul · 19 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi Bunyip,

CTO entry ... aggressive traders may well take a trade, after some negative
news from CTO, expected around 19-20052009 (vertical blue dotted line)
...... here we will be looking for a test of 082008 lows at about 15 cents
(and final low?), before the next rally starts ... and if 15 cents holds, then
set a stop loss around 14-14.5 cents, on entry.

More conservative traders may wait for a bounce (and confirmation)
off the expected lows, next week ... making an entry on a breakout
above previous significant resistance at 18 cents, after the change
in trend has been confirmed.

Attached CTO chart clearly shows the 2 hammers that marked the lows
on 04-05082008 (also double-bottom low on those 2 days), shown as
a black dotted horizontal line, at 15 cents.

In the chart, the past week brought us a doji that failed and a weak
harami on Friday last ..... though price action finished on its highs,
the volume was not as high as the previous down-day ... so not
convincing enough to take a trade yet, as a confirmed low is not
yet in place ... waiting.

On chart patterns, even a cursory glance at the CTO chart reveals a
"flagship" candle of a hammer or doji, commonly marking the lows in
this stock ..... downside candle count is about 12 now, so becoming
extreme and alerting us to a change in trend, soon.

Confirmation of the lows may well come, with the anticipated trigger
of several positive time cycles, which are due to come into play, over
the next few weeks ...

26-27052009 ... positive cycle, expected to trigger a positive move.

02-03062009 ... positive time cycle ... finances ???

09-10062009 ... negative news expected here

17-18062009 ... positive spotlight on CTO = rally expected here

02072009 ... 4 time cycles interacting here, so some major news
would not be surprising, at this time.

... so, let's see how CTO unfolds, over the next couple of months.

have a great day

paul

=====

Hi folks,

CTO ..... that heavy volume we were looking for, in Friday's harami, arrived
today and a spinning top candle confirmed the harami low of the
previous 2 trading days ... high was 18 cents, so would expect a
lot more traders to buy-in, as that level is overcome and the
change in trend is also confirmed.

After today's price and volume action it is obvious, that there
is support for CTO above 16 cents, so any negative news over
the next couple of days may only result in a test of that level,
ahead of a positive cycle, expected later this month (see post above).

With the low confirmed today, some EOD traders will buy in
tomorrow, placing a stop around 15-15.5 cents, while others
may wait for the anticipated CTO news, before taking the trade.

have a great day

paul

=====

Trader Paul · 21 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Hi folks,

CTO ..... that heavy volume we were looking for, in Friday's harami, arrived
today and a spinning top candle confirmed the harami low of the
previous 2 trading days ... high was 18 cents, so would expect a
lot more traders to buy-in, as that level is overcome and the
change in trend is also confirmed.

After today's price and volume action it is obvious, that there
is support for CTO above 16 cents, so any negative news over
the next couple of days may only result in a test of that level,
ahead of a positive cycle, expected later this month (see post above).

With the low confirmed today, some EOD traders will buy in
tomorrow, placing a stop around 15-15.5 cents, while others
may wait for the anticipated CTO news, before taking the trade.

have a great day

paul

=====

Hi Folks,

CTO news came a day later than expected and the market liked the
announcement, so the low has been confirmed and CTO is starting
to tick up again, ahead of a positive time cycle, next week .....

have a great day

paul

=====

Trader Paul · 22 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
Posted 17042009:

Hi Gazelle,

COH ..... some astroanalysis to the end of June 2009 .....

Was expecting some minor news earlier this week, but
it hasn't surfaced, as yet.

28-29042009 ..... minor and positive light on COH

04052009 ..... significant and positive cycle

11-12052009 ..... positive time cycle ... finance-related ???

2905-01062009 ..... minor and positive cycle, here.

12-16062009 ..... 2 minor time cycles come together - finances?

19-22062009 ..... minor and positive news expected here

29-30062009 ..... negative spotlight on COH

have a great day

paul

=====

Ho folks,

COH ... ticking up nicely now and finished on its highs, today ... so much
for the mouthy skeptix ... !~!

have a great day

paul

=====

Boggo · 22 May 2009

Trader Paul said:
COH ... ticking up nicely now and finished on its highs, today ... so much
for the mouthy skeptix ... !~!

Thats truly amazing yogi, my "mouthy skeptix MS scan heads up system" has obviously been looking at the stars behind my back

Its been telling me that I should be keeping an eye on COH for a breakout since last week and from that I could work out that a break above 51.45 could be an entry, thats cooler than a polar bear's paws don't you think

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