Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

MRC & Co said:

Public scrutiny and making a joke of it over and over again for pages are a different matter. This is where I think it has crossed the line. If you want the funny aspect, create a thread about it like WayneL did on EW.

I don't understand astro analysis one bit and don't care too, but how is it other astro guys understand and converse with Paul? I'm not a mod nor do I wish to be, but Tech I also remember you calling anyone trying to trade off DOM having no edge. Perhaps like you didn't understand DOM, you don't understand astro analysis. Just pointing out possibilities, then again perhaps you are fully upto date with astro analysis. I don't know. But if you aren't getting any answers and are asking legitimate, informed questions, then why keep flogging a dead horse?

Anyways, I'm out of this thread, I've made my point, mocking is different to questioning, and questioning is different to flogging a dead horse. Make any sense? Probably not.

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I agree with only half of your points MRC, and they are fair ones. But with the other half , I think you are giving TP too much slack.

Seriously, if there are people out there who use TP as a benchmark for learning how to trade, and how to supposedly make a living, then a very stern warning needs to go out to all of them.

If the mocking, disagreeing, 'questioning' (whatever you want to call it) helps achieve that, then we have saved some newbies a considerable amount of financial and psychological hardship.

Ivant, you have nothing to apologize about.

If TP wants to take it upon himself to assume 9 different cyber identities, breach multiple ASF rules in the process, start public threads in public forums then he should be prepared to not only cop critisim but the occasional sledging of his methods, from the public. Its as simple a that.

I could understand many coming to the defense of someone like Frank D if he was being criticized and mocked like TP is at present, because Frank D offers value. A free service that has gained credibility by many ASF members (i personally havent grasped it) and he backs up his work charts, explanations and he addresses questions intelligently and courteously. So if you were talking about Frank D for example, yeah, I would come to his aid for sure.

But damn, we're talking about TP, very different. And come on, Astro-analysis, plleeease.

And in response to your question about these people who follow astro-analysis - and think they do so profitably - well, they are simply deluded.

And maybe TP is a good guy, but that is not what is being critiqued here. Good guy or bad gay, its about the trader, which is what puts dollars in your pocket and what also can take dollars out of other pockets (sometimes newbies).

As a side note, if one could use their winning personality to trade then I would be Warren Buffet. And Techa would be one of the poorest traders walking the streets.

And you might say that its not proven that TP is trying to fleece people out of their hard earned moola, but I believe in probabilities. The mere fact that he has used different ASF identities mainly to praise himself cannot be a good sign. So the probably of him being being a fictitious trader and potentially accepting money off newbies is quite high, and in my view, has to be stopped. We have seen the likes of David Bowden rise to monolithic proportions and Im sure he was where the likes of TP is today, at some point.

So if someone decides to jump on a free public forum, be prepared to be scrutinized, praised, critiqued and worshiped etc, sometimes all at once. Thats what its all about. Aint a picnic.

Ok, im off to look for a shooting star
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Sicilian Trader said:

I agree with only half of your points MRC, and they are fair ones.

If TP wants to take it upon himself to assume 9 different cyber identities, breach multiple ASF rules in the process, start public threads in public forums then he should be prepared to not only cop critisim but the occasional sledging of his methods, from the public. Its as simple a that.

Ok, im off to look for a shooting star
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st,

Let's get this stuff squared away, about my user name ... some here
have been around long enough to remember, that my old account on
this forum had a problem and as a result charts could not be posted,
under that name ... so Joe suggested, that i set up another
account, to check if that would fix the problem ... as it DID fix the
problem the old account has never been used since .....

..... and apparently when this account was set up, a mistake was made
and another account was also set up, with a space missing between trader
and paul ..... Joe is also aware of that account.

So, maybe you want to take it further with Joe, then ..... ???

..... and maybe then, you can post a TRUTHFUL post
and maybe even apologize to me ...... profusely !~!

You really know that i do not have 9 accounts, so why bend
the truth .....??? Because, it will come back to bite you, when
you tell lies and talk rubbish ... !~!

cheers

paul



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Trader Paul said:

Let's get this stuff squared away, about my user name ... some here
have been around long enough to remember, that my old account on
this forum had a problem and as a result charts could not be posted,
under that name ... so Joe suggested, that i set up another
account, to check if that would fix the problem ... as it DID fix the
problem the old account has never been used since .....

..... and apparently when this account was set up, a mistake was made
and another account was also set up, with a space missing between trader
and paul ..... Joe is also aware of that account.

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Paul's recount of the reason for his current username is completely correct. ASF has reasonably sophisticated methods for detecting and preventing individuals posting under two different names, so I can be fairly confident he doesn't participate in discussions under two names.

Whether or not you agree with 'astroanalysis' (I certainly don't), he's been a long standing member of the community who has generally given his time to explain his methods.

Treat him with the same respect you'd like to be treated. If you feel you can't do that, then perhaps its best you participate on other threads where you feel you can be more constructive.

doctorj said:

Paul's recount of the reason for his current username is completely correct. ASF has reasonably sophisticated methods for detecting and preventing individuals posting under two different names, so I can be fairly confident he doesn't participate in discussions under two names.

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OK, TP, apologies. I retract what I said about different usernames.

doctorj said:

...Treat him with the same respect you'd like to be treated. If you feel you can't do that, then perhaps its best you participate on other threads where you feel you can be more constructive.

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I like that statement, doctorj

There is so much diversity on systems, trading styles, etc on ASF, it's a shame when people get ridiculed simply because they use a system that the knockers don't understand. There could be some other ASF members that are actually interested in a certain method, but the thread gets so choked up with knockers and stupid posts that it (a) discourages the original poster and they often give up and (b) what's left of the mutilated thread is difficult to read.

If people are knocking someone else's system, perhaps they should show reason why they believe it won't work. Share the experience they have had proving that it didn't work for them. Otherwise, it would be best if people with no idea of a method used and don't want anything to do with it, to simply ignore the thread and let others enjoy it.

That said, I can also understand the frustration that comes from people showing off a system but not being willing to share it. In that case, it's probably best not to crow about it in the first place. Just my opinion...

sails said:

I like that statement, doctorj

There is so much diversity on systems, trading styles, etc on ASF, it's a shame when people get ridiculed simply because they use a system that the knockers don't understand. There could be some other ASF members that are actually interested in a certain method, but the thread gets so choked up with knockers and stupid posts that it (a) discourages the original poster and they often give up and (b) what's left of the mutilated thread is difficult to read.

If people are knocking someone else's system, perhaps they should show reason why they believe it won't work. Share the experience they have had proving that it didn't work for them. Otherwise, it would be best if people with no idea of a method used and don't want anything to do with it, to simply ignore the thread and let others enjoy it.

That said, I can also understand the frustration that comes from people showing off a system but not being willing to share it. In that case, it's probably best not to crow about it in the first place. Just my opinion...

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Margaret,

Completely agree with you, well said. You'd make Voltaire proud!

Mag

sails said:

If people are knocking someone else's system, perhaps they should show reason why they believe it won't work. Share the experience they have had proving that it didn't work for them. Otherwise, it would be best if people with no idea of a method used and don't want anything to do with it, to simply ignore the thread and let others enjoy it.

That said, I can also understand the frustration that comes from people showing off a system but not being willing to share it. In that case, it's probably best not to crow about it in the first place. Just my opinion...

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my knocking had NOTHING to do with the sytem in debate .MY knocking was about fantasy trades that had no hope of being traded IN market but were used as examples to prove a system .......

thats what i was knocking and the whole untruth of the matter

Doc and Sails.

We who have challenged those supposedly trading Gann have been treated with nothing short of contempt.

The best example of trading seen so far is Pauls list of dates.
The odd sketchy chart obviously marked up by the packages in built indicators.

How hard is it to explain a few charts from entry to exit in realtime.

So if Gann analysts want the personal respect they themselves want I suggest they stop preaching their superior technical knowledge only available to those who have fed the Golden Chalase with Gilder.
Just post up your method and how you apply it so we can follow it.If its that good it should be a synch.

Ive actually watched people supposedly trade gann.
Ive never seen a trade taken and never seen anyone use analysis going forward.All Ive seen is crystal clarity in hinsite and utter confusion going forward.

Get some realtime charts and comments up and constructive questioning and comment I'm sure will follow as will a newly found credability.

Moggie why cant you get a chart up.
The only time your vocal is when you can puff up support whilst evading any direct questioning.
Mc Laren must have passed something of value on surely.

Tech, I wasn't meaning just this thread or even specifically Gann for that matter. Actually had the thread Nick Radge started on trading EW in mind when I typed that post - it's no wonder Nick didn't come back to post in it again and that was a shame...

Also the guys on the EW thread had some interesting techniques to offer - willing to spend time marking up charts and posting them - and it does take time and effort. Just because they weren't offering actual entry/exit techniques surely doesn't mean we have to throw out the whole EW methodology.

Entry and exits are probably separate skills to whatever methodology is used. eg trendline breaks, last swing break, trading on S/R levels, waiting for a pullback, MA cross, etc, etc. Soooo many methods of executing entry and exits that would differ from trader to trader. Their methods of analysis could be much the same, but doesn't mean their chosen entry/exit techniques will be the same.

tech/a said:

Rubbish.
I said and still do say its NOT how I wish to trade.
I dont want to be in front of a computer punching in trades like a boxer on ICE.
Not for me.

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This was my point:

tech/a said:

Having watched as much depth as anyone it soon becomes obvious that those who want to sell and those who wish to buy do so at market.
Many have looked and claim an edge trading depth.
Frankly I just cant see it and T/H your very slight expectancy seems to vindicate my observations.

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You may not see an edge in a certain methodology and application, others may do.

That being said, I know nothing of Trader Paul, just saying one should not write off learning about "astrostuff" if you are interested in that area (the Universe is a powerful thing, not that I think it can move markets, but some would have said it can't influence tides at one point in time), just because Trader Paul may not be the real deal.

I take it no one wants anymore astro charts from me then!?

That took me bloody ages!!

beamstas said:

I take it no one wants anymore astro charts from me then!?

That took me bloody ages!!

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That was a brilliant chart! I was always meaning to ask you, how many MA do you actually have on there!?

In terms of this post, I guess it would be great to have a little more actual Gann discussion, because it was lacking in that department. I don't trade Gann, however I did spend about a year when I was 16-17 looking at astroanalysis. It was a really interesting approach, I just thought it was not exactly an accurate way to trade. The funny thing though, is that you can predict some pretty good long-term patterns, which is a horrible thing to do for futures markets.. If there was some proper research done in this, it could be a very interesting theory. The problem at the moment is the lack of knowledge about space itself. Look at the increased crime-rate during a full moon Could be a coincidence, or there could be something behind it...

And Voltaire was a gun!

COH ..... some astroanalysis to the end of June 2009 .....

Was expecting some minor news earlier this week, but
it hasn't surfaced, as yet.

28-29042009 ..... minor and positive light on COH

04052009 ..... significant and positive cycle

11-12052009 ..... positive time cycle ... finance-related ???

2905-01062009 ..... minor and positive cycle, here.

12-16062009 ..... 2 minor time cycles come together - finances?

19-22062009 ..... minor and positive news expected here

29-30062009 ..... negative spotlight on COH

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So far a coin toss would have been as effective.

Oh and price WILL rise on Monday. It WILL and anyone who is long COH WILL make money.
No Astro stuff in that prediction.

tech/a said:

So far a coin toss would have been as effective.

Oh and price WILL rise on Monday. It WILL and anyone who is long COH WILL make money.
No Astro stuff in that prediction.

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tech,

Fact is, the astroanalysis already told you that in mid-April, along
with the discussion about a low-risk entry on 27042009 ... and the
price is currently more than $1.oo higher than an entry near
the close, on that date ..... !~!

..... and we have another positive time cycle expected very soon,
confirmed by 3 black soldiers and a harami in the past 4 days,
which should see COH get another boost, this week ... !~!

COH ..... some astroanalysis to the end of June 2009 .....

28-29042009 ..... minor and positive light on COH

04052009 ..... significant and positive cycle

11-12052009 ..... positive time cycle ... finance-related ???

2905-01062009 ..... minor and positive cycle, here.

12-16062009 ..... 2 minor time cycles come together - finances?

19-22062009 ..... minor and positive news expected here

29-30062009 ..... negative spotlight on COH

Updated COH chart below, also includes expected positive time cycles, as
dotted black vertical lines and the seriously negative time cycle, as a
solid vertical magenta line.

..... and let's see some longer-term charts and COH analysis from these mouthy critics,
something a little more substantial, than 14 days ... puhleeeeze !~!

have a great day

paul



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Hi folks,

TOE ..... is another one, that is likely to get a boost from a significant
and positive time cycle, this week ...

Updated TOE chart, shows a 50% retracement of the previous downleg
projected forward, in terms of BOTH, time and price to give us a price
target at .475, around 20112009 ..... and a strong positive time cycle
(black dotted vertical line) around 03122009.

That 03122009 cycle should bring some positive news, ahead of 4 other
strong and positive time cycles, in December 2009 ... TOE should finish
the year, strongly ..... and so far, TOE is tracking along nicely, using
that projected trendline, as support ..... !~!

have a great weekend

paul



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Hell I was w---w----ww---wrong! (About my call).

It did open higher though.

tech/a said:

Hell I was w---w----ww---wrong! (About my call).

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again ...............

I'll admit when wrong.

However some here like yourself have no input and hence no ability to even suggest a trade setup let alone a trade management structure.
Others like Yogi who cant tolerate being in correct.

Ive had a flick through your posts Nun --- what is it exactly you bring to the forum?
Other than being a smart ****.

Perhaps its time to do a Radge/Wayne.
Its pretty obvious people like you would rather follow the flock of fools.

tech/a said:

I'll admit when wrong.

However some here like yourself have no input and hence no ability to even suggest a trade setup let alone a trade management structure.
Others like Yogi who cant tolerate being in correct.

Ive had a flick through your posts Nun --- what is it exactly you bring to the forum?
Other than being a smart ****.

Perhaps its time to do a Radge/Wayne.
Its pretty obvious people like you would rather follow the flock of fools.

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LOL get over yaself darl! .... hahahahah thats what i find funniest about you ...you love to give others a hard time and point out there misgivings etc BUT cannot handle a friendly prod back .. i think its called prima donna syndrome

mmmm i suggest you read my posts again dear as there is PLENTY of trade entrys / thoughts on directions posted AND in fact I actuallyt give a definate answer be it righgt or wrong UNLIKE most that will post vague directions or hindsite bull so they dont look silly if they wrong


LOL personally couldnt give a toss if ya wanna play the sook again and stomp off because i poked back , and if thats how it is i will reiterate GET OVER YASELF DARL .

ya just another poster here


ps IF you aACTUALLY read my posts here you would ACTUALLY see that i follow NO one here INCLUDING you as personally think MY calls about directions etc are just as valid and correct as even your prima donna self


what a tossa


p.s .... re radge ......... did he leave here because i disagreed with his CSL call and i was right or was it because SOME ppl here did not respect his guru status and questioned him ?

grow up

nunthewiser said:

LOL get over yaself darl! .... hahahahah thats what i find funniest about you ...you love to give others a hard time and point out there misgivings etc BUT cannot handle a friendly prod back .. i think its called prima donna syndrome

mmmm i suggest you read my posts again dear as there is PLENTY of trade entrys / thoughts on directions posted AND in fact I actuallyt give a definate answer be it righgt or wrong UNLIKE most that will post vague directions or hindsite bull so they dont look silly if they wrong


LOL personally couldnt give a toss if ya wanna play the sook again and stomp off because i poked back , and if thats how it is i will reiterate GET OVER YASELF DARL .

ya just another poster here


ps IF you aACTUALLY read my posts here you would ACTUALLY see that i follow NO one here INCLUDING you as personally think MY calls about directions etc are just as valid and correct as even your prima donna self


what a tossa


p.s .... re radge ......... did he leave here because i disagreed with his CSL call and i was right or was it because SOME ppl here did not respect his guru status and questioned him ?

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There is a name for the condition people like you suffer, it is called tall poppy syndrome.