Astrostuff ... Gann from a different angle ...

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

Next year 2007, will be the 80th anniversary of
W D Gann's publishing of his most controversial
trading book.

Back in 1927, Gann wrote a bland romance called
"Tunnel thru the Air or Looking back from 1940"
and it was in this book, that Gann encoded an
overview of his astrotrading methods.

By employing simple Pythagorean mathematics and
the Bible codes, Gann used more than 150 verses
from the Bible to lay out a simple framework for
his students .....


..... eat your heart out Dan Brown ..... lol .....

Using the same Bible astrology and some simple maths
today, we can also look for key world events, that may
well have some flow-on effects, in the commercial arena.

Curious traders often ask how we use planetary events,
as indicators of world events, that may influence the
markets ..... hopefully, this article may help to explain ...

Gann learned his craft from the works of some very
knowledgable contemporary astrologers/astronomers,
like Sepharial, Johndro and more, as well as further
information from ancient scholars, like Pythagoras himself.

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As we approach the latter half of June 2006, we will
become more aware of some longer-term planetary
cycles that become exact, this month.

In the linked .pdf file, we have endeavoured to plot
an overview of these critical events, to show what some
astrotraders consider important transits, at that time.

..... unfortunately, the file is too big to post here,
but it may be accessed, at:

Click here for access to astroanalysis file .....


Please note:

..... this is NOT meant to be an indepth analysis and
interpretation of that period, but simply WHEN and
WHERE we may be alert for world events, before
month's end, on 30 June 2006.

Enjoy the read.

have a great weekend

yogi

 

[professor_frink]

hi yogi hope you've had a good long weekend

Quick question- would you be able to explain the image from the first page of the link you posted? Or direct me to a website that can give me a quick rundown on it? Or is it something that can't be explained quickly

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi Frinkle,

..... that chart was actually the second one,
in the file .....

To keep it simple:

If you view the chart, as a dial with zero, on the far
left, you will see that the 12 major divisions (signs)
are numbered in an anticlockwise direction ......
..... signs 1 thru 12.

Orange symbol for a female in sign 2 represents Venus.

Blue circle, with a dot in the centre is the Sun, in sign 3

Yellow symbol, with the "horns" in sign 4, is Mercury.

Light blue symbol for a man in sign 5, is Mars and the
green symbol adjacent to it (conjunct) is Saturn.

Blue symbol shaped like a bent four, in sign 8 is Jupiter.

Red symbol like a guy with his hands up is Pluto, in sign 9.

Light blue trident in sign 11, is Neptune.

Yellow crescent in sign 11, iis our Moon.

Purple symbol in sign 12, is Uranus.

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Given that our zodiac dial contains 360 degrees, we
can easily measure the distance between each planet
in degrees, called aspects.

Some of these aspects can be rated as negative or
positive and it is the aspects that give us a bias for
direction, in particular markets.

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In the trapezoid, the left side is made up of an
opposition (180 degrees & negative), between the Sun
and Pluto ... this solar opposition to Pluto is an annual
event ....

..... on the right side parallel of the trapezoid, there's
a 90 degree (square aspect) between Jupiter and the
conjunction of Mars and Saturn.

Red diagonal line bewteen Sun and Jupiter is a difficult
sequisquare or sequiquadrate aspect of 135 degreees,
while the short red aspects on each end of the trapezoid
are 45 degree aspects or semi-squares.

With the whole trapezoid being a red pattern,
overall sentiment should be negative .....

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Given that the Jupiter/Saturn cycle takes about
60 years to come back to the same position, we
can easily appreciate that it will be a long time,
before we see another exact square between
these two planets, leave alone the implications
of adding the Sun/Pluto opposition into the equation.

This 60 year Jupiter/Saturn cycle was Gann's Master
Time Factor .....

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Light blue aspect between Mars/Saturn conjucntion and
purple Uranus in sign 12, is a biquintile or 144 degrees
and also quite rare, when we consider Saturn takes
29.5 years to orbit the Sun and Uranus some 84 years
to complete the journey.

Just disregard anything else on that chart, Frinkle ... !~!

With so many outer planets involved in this major and rare
planetary pattern, it is likely that we will see some world
events of some significance, around this time.

Hope the above explanation helps.

happy days

yogi

P.S. ..... that Mars/Saturn conjunction is located very close
to one of HDR's senstive degrees, which is why we
were able to forecast the HDR decline so far ahead
of time .....

 

[professor_frink]

thanks for that yogi. I might be able to make some sense of it now

Have you ever read the merriman market analyst weekly? Have any opinions on it?

http://www.mmacycles.com/artweek.htm

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi Frinkle,

Yes, there's a bunch of weekly astro-newsletters
coming out of the US now ..... from respected
financial astrologers, like Merriman, Bill Meridian
and Tim Bost, as well as infrequent articles by
past greats, like ArchCrawford, Henry Weingarten,
Gary Meadors and more.

You may find these links of interest as well, Frinkle .....

http://www.TimBost.com

http://www.gannplan.com/

happy trading

yogi

 

[professor_frink]

thanks yogi I'll look into them

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

Here's some simple astrotrading stuff, to help determine
critical pivot levels in your favourite stocks .....

..... open attached file, below.

have a great weekend


yogi



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[coyotte]

Where do you get the charts from Yogi ?
Looks like a programme that you have


Cheers

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi coyotte,

Price charts are mostly done in Metastock and the
astrocharts are done in Solafire 5, considered as
one of the best worldwide and developed by
Esoteric Technologies, in Adelaide.

..... not a cheap program, but well worth the
investment for serious astrotraders.

For Gannophiles, astrophiles and other newbies,
there's many free astro programs available on
the web, like Astrolog ..... but with astro programs,
if we really want quality, then we must pay accordingly.

Having said that, it is a one-time investment for
most traders, so in the longer-term it's good value.

have a great weekend

yogi

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

For those Gannsters unfamilar with Gann's references
to the 144 degree planetary movements, the file
attached may go some way towards throwing some
further light on the subject .....

Truth is, the Golden Section and Phi (1.618 & .618) were
known by old mathematicians and astrologers like Pythagorus,
LONG BEFORE Fibonacci laid claim to his sequence of
numbers, based on Phi (1.618) ..... in fact, the evidence
has been in the heavens above us, since the creation of
our solar system ... !~!

Unfortunately, this file is too large to post here, so
for an update on our look at the biquintile aspect,
just click on the link, below .....

Click here for an update on biquintile aspects .....

have a great weekend


yogi

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

As we approach the latter half of June 2006, we will
become more aware of some longer-term planetary
cycles that become exact, this month.

In the linked .pdf file, we have endeavoured to plot
an overview of these critical events, to show what some
astrotraders consider important transits, at that time.

..... unfortunately, the file is too big to post here,
but it may be accessed, at:

Click here for access to astroanalysis file .....


Please note:

..... this is NOT meant to be an indepth analysis and
interpretation of that period, but simply WHEN and
WHERE we may be alert for world events, before
month's end, on 30 June 2006.

Enjoy the read.

yogi

Hi folks,

On 11 June 2006, some analysis was posted
above, about aspects, current for this month.

Referring to today's astrochart, some obvious
facts were omitted ..... so, please note:

Today 26 June 2006:

Mars is located geodetically above Japan,
same position as our Sun, on 06 August 1945.

Mars is sesquisquare Pluto (3^ orb),
Mars sextile Pluto on 06081945.

Mars is quincunx (150^) Uranus station retrograde,
a wide conjunction (6^) Uranus on 06081945.

Mars conjunct Saturn (4^orb) today.

Jupiter square Saturn, today.

Saturn sequisquare Pluto and biquintile Uranus
today and directly above North Korea, geodetically.

..... it's small wonder Japan is feeling
threatened by North Korea, right now.

Keywords for the aspects above:

Mars/Pluto - difficult, sudden, fire, hidden, underground.

Mars/Saturn/Uranus - war, contracted, nuclear, water.

Jupiter/Saturn - difficult, water and big news.

So, from the brief analysis above, we will likely
get some more news, about that missile test
from North Korea very soon, but if it was to
become a reality, then it will likely be a shot into water???

happy days

yogi



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[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

This article on cycles showed up in the inbox, today:

http://news.goldseek.com/UnionSecurities/1151278300.php

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Note:

From an astrotrading perspective, the 60-year Kondratieff
time cycle was also Gann's Master Time Cycle, but more
importantly, the 60-year cycle represents:

5 x Jupiter orbits through the zodiac.

2 x Saturn orbits through the zodiac.

1 x base unit for Chinese lunar calendar = ???

It is the aspects between Jupiter (great expander)
and Saturn (great contractor) that often mark major
swings in the markets ..... and right now, we are
seeing a 90^ square (negative) aspect, between
Jupiter and Saturn.

Next comparable negative Jupiter/Saturn aspect, will
be the Jupiter/Saturn oppositions in mid-May and
mid-August, in 2010.

happy days

yogi

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

On 11 June 2006, some analysis was posted
above, about aspects, current for this month.

Referring to today's astrochart, some obvious
facts were omitted ..... so, please note:

Today 26 June 2006:

Mars is located geodetically above Japan,
same position as our Sun, on 06 August 1945.

Mars is sesquisquare Pluto (3^ orb),
Mars sextile Pluto on 06081945.

Mars is quincunx (150^) Uranus station retrograde,
a wide conjunction (6^) Uranus on 06081945.

Mars conjunct Saturn (4^orb) today.

Jupiter square Saturn, today.

Saturn sequisquare Pluto and biquintile Uranus
today and directly above North Korea, geodetically.

..... it's small wonder Japan is feeling
threatened by North Korea, right now.

Keywords for the aspects above:

Mars/Pluto - difficult, sudden, fire, hidden, underground.

Mars/Saturn/Uranus - war, contracted, nuclear, water.

Jupiter/Saturn - difficult, water and big news.

So, from the brief analysis above, we will likely
get some more news, about that missile test
from North Korea very soon, but if it was to
become a reality, then it will likely be a shot into water???

happy days

yogi



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Re: ..... north korea tests 6 missiles !~!



Hi folks,

..... a little later than expected, but that may
have been to gain some psychological advantage,
in having total disregard for the US 04 July holiday.

Testing also came, on the current Mercury retrograde
station, which will keep us alert for much misinformation
being reported about this issue.

Click here for our astroanalysis leading into this event ...

happy days

yogi

P.S. ..... refer to file above for our astroanalysis leading
into this event and posted, about 11 June 2006.



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[yogi-in-oz]

Hi folks,

Would just like to add a few comments here to clarify
exactly how astrotraders use our solar system and its
relationship to the markets.

As silly as it may sound to the skeptix, many fund
managers use financial astrology for their market
timing, though most of the cannot admit it, due to
the ridicule it would bring down on them .....

..... it was NO DIFFERENT in Gann's day and that was
the reason why he coded his astrotrading methods into
his 1927 novel, Tunnel thru the Air.

But, things are now changing in the marketplace:

Henry Weingarten set up the Astrologers Fund
on 02 May 1988 and has been a most transparent
fund manager making use of planetary cycles for
trading.

He also wrote a book " Investing by the Stars ... Using
Astrology in Financial Markets" ISBN 0-07-068999-7


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Really, financial astrology is something of a misnomer
and probably financial astronomy would be a more correct
term, as we are more concerned with the planetary cycles
and their mathematical relationships with each other,
rather than the interpretive stance of astrology.

For convenience, we have borrowed astrologers' charts
and tables, as they present us with an easy graphical
account of what is happening in the heavens above.

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Technically, our aim is to evaulate the time axis on our
price charts, using the oldest and most accurate clock
known to mankind ..... the cosmic clock.

Marketwise, this is the astrotrader's technical approach:

PRICE axis is always VARIABLE, but our TIME axis is
always CONSTANT and therefore easier to analyze.

If we use TIME as the median, then PRICE will most often
be moving either ahead of TIME or behind TIME, similar
to deviations from a mean, shown by the action of a
sine wave ~~~~~~~~~~ or price action in the markets.

We can see this action on the price charts, as making
rounding-bottoms and tops TA patterns and often the
price will fail at the median (or pivot) as it lifts off a
rounding-bottom (for example).

Length of such waves or cycles cn often be correlated
directly to planetary movements and/or events.

-----

Up front, planets have NO INFLUENCE on the markets,
they are just bits of rock orbiting in space, at very
predictable rates of circular movement, that can be
used for timing of many events, even the markets.

Observations and RECORDING of events on earth,
when each planetary event occurs in the heavens
have been progressing for THOUSANDS of years,
so from such history, we can often delineate
earthbound events, with some accuracy.

This is compared to the relatively short time, that
can be assigned to modern financial markets .....
..... some 200 years, at most.

-----

This is the same cosmic clock used for launching
rockets and satellites, timing their entries, exits
and manoeuvres with exquisite accuracy.

..... and best of all, NO MAN can interfere with
this timing device ..... not even GW Bush !~!

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Here's an exercise that may be interesting for
the skeptics ..... today, some atroanalysis has
been posted for SHA, an Aussie IPO, due to
list next week.

Just follow the key dates and use them to confirm
your regular FA/TA for SHA, in the months ahead.

No, those key dates will not ALL bring expected
SHA news/ moves, but they WILL help to build a
better overview of the stock.

Try it, it will cost you NOTHING, except for a
little TIME .....

Hope this helps a bit .....

have a great day

yogi

 

[Magdoran]

Hello Yogi,


Following on from our recent discussions on other threads, I was hoping to compare notes about Gann approaches, without going into too much detail regarding your proprietary approaches.

I have been meaning to open a dialogue with you actually for a couple of years now, but wanted to work through some key Gann works in much more depth than just reading them and trying to apply them.

Yogi, I know that you have made this your life’s work, and respect that you have spent significant amounts of time in your studies, so please understand that I’m not trying to “get a free lunch” here, or ask to be given your “life’s work on a platter” (“pearls to swine” as you say). I am simply interested in a cursory discussion of Gann methods if that would be acceptable to you (and certainly not approach this as a competition – I am approaching this as a mutually beneficial constructive and respectful discussion).

If you don’t mind comparing notes, specifically, do you use:

• Time and price squares such as 144, 90, 180, 360, 52, 104?
• Customised squares based on price ranges?
• Zero angles?
• True trend lines?
• Time angles?

For your timing do you use the Saturn cycle much? Would you consider mentioning any other cycles you think are relevant? You know I have studied some of the works in your field, but I am certainly no expert in it – if you were mentoring a new Astrotrader, what are the key concepts underlying your discipline you would suggest to them? (Again without compromising your IP for your methodology) – Just a concise thumbnail sketch would be great if you wouldn't mind, please.

Without going into your proprietary work on TTTA, what would you suggest a new reader look for? – don’t give the game away (I know your reference of not giving pearls away to swine, but this is clearly not the case here), but can you expand on why you think TTTA is worthwhile but with some specific references that you can mention?

Now, specifically on time, this is really interesting. McLaren contends that there are vibrations running through all markets at all times. Then there are shorter lived vibrations, and the dominant cycles at this level can change. Would you be able to elaborate on the concepts ventured below (again without compromising your IP) please?

PRICE axis is always VARIABLE, but our TIME axis is
always CONSTANT and therefore easier to analyze.

If we use TIME as the median, then PRICE will most often
be moving either ahead of TIME or behind TIME, similar
to deviations from a mean, shown by the action of a
sine wave ~~~~~~~~~~ or price action in the markets.

We can see this action on the price charts, as making
rounding-bottoms and tops TA patterns and often the
price will fail at the median (or pivot) as it lifts off a
rounding-bottom (for example).

Length of such waves or cycles cn often be correlated
directly to planetary movements and/or events.

Thanks Yogi



Regards


Magdoran

P.S. Just curious, buy why do you sprinkle happy faces through your posts all the time (is it kind of a signature?)? Mag

 

[moses]

Hi Yogi,

I realise trading stocks isn't as much of a science as ta's or fundy's would like it to be, but astronomy in the markets stops with sunset = ASX closed for trading.

Really, financial astrology is something of a misnomer
and probably financial astronomy would be a more correct
term, as we are more concerned with the planetary cycles
and their mathematical relationships with each other,
rather than the interpretive stance of astrology.

Don't let an astronomer hear you say that!

Sorry, no, Gann is astrology pure and simple.

The astrologers predicting tall dark handsome strangers in the back of every women's magazine are doing exactly the same thing.

For convenience, we have borrowed astrologers' charts
and tables, as they present us with an easy graphical
account of what is happening in the heavens above.

Enough said.

Technically, our aim is to evaulate the time axis on our
price charts, using the oldest and most accurate clock
known to mankind ..... the cosmic clock.

The most accurate clock known to mankind is an atomic clock, specifically the caesium clock. The accuracy of a clock depends on its frequency (smaller is better). Planets have a frequency measured in years.

Marketwise, this is the astrotrader's technical approach:

PRICE axis is always VARIABLE, but our TIME axis is
always CONSTANT and therefore easier to analyze.

If we use TIME as the median, then PRICE will most often
be moving either ahead of TIME or behind TIME, similar
to deviations from a mean, shown by the action of a
sine wave ~~~~~~~~~~ or price action in the markets.

We can see this action on the price charts, as making
rounding-bottoms and tops TA patterns and often the
price will fail at the median (or pivot) as it lifts off a
rounding-bottom (for example).

Length of such waves or cycles cn often be correlated
directly to planetary movements and/or events.

Human beings have a well known weakness for seeing non-existent patterns in data and making correlations that don't exist.

Give anyone 10 clocks, and 100 possibilities, and there'll always be enough correlations to imagine patterns in the data.

A clock, any clock, is only accurate in the sense of how well it represents something else. The classic clock represents the rotation of the earth, but you want a clock to represent market cycles. I'm sorry, but most planets don't know about the stock market, so they can't represent the stock market unless they can (a) somehow influence the markets or (b) be influenced by the markets, or (c) be engineered to replicate the markets.

Seeing as (b) & (c) are clearly ludicrous, that leaves (a).

Up front, planets have NO INFLUENCE on the markets,
they are just bits of rock orbiting in space, at very
predictable rates of circular movement, that can be
used for timing of many events, even the markets.

If they have no influence, then correlation is pure imagination.

Observations and RECORDING of events on earth,
when each planetary event occurs in the heavens
have been progressing for THOUSANDS of years,
so from such history, we can often delineate
earthbound events, with some accuracy.

Errr...yes? Like what sort of events? Tommorrow's breakfast?

This is compared to the relatively short time, that
can be assigned to modern financial markets .....
..... some 200 years, at most.

meaning what exactly?

This is the same cosmic clock used for launching
rockets and satellites, timing their entries, exits
and manoeuvres with exquisite accuracy.

The only reason to pay attention to the movements of the planets for launching rockets is if the rocket is carrying a payload intended to reach one; first, obviously one needs to know where the planet will be ahead of time so as to aim correctly, and second, during inter-planetary travel the gravitational effects of each major object in the solar system has to be taken into account, again to aim correctly.

But the exquisite accuracy is all done with man-made clocks.

Shipping was dangerous until Harrison invented the chronometer; despite telescopes planted all around the world for the purpose, no-one could work out where they were in longitude.


The bottom line is that if Gann cycles work at all it is only because enough traders believe in the method to make it work as a self-fulfilling prophecy.


btw, just to be extra annoying, aside from the obvious diernal, lunar and annual cycles, afaict there is one remote astronomical cycle that might have a genuine causual influence on the market.

But I'll bet it doesn't feature in a Gann cycle!

cheers,
Moses

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi Moses,

Don't you think we have all heard this stuff
from the skeptix before ... ???

Yet ask them for a tradable forecasting alternative
and there's utter silence .....

Now, let's see where you are really coming from .....

Have you ever studied astrology, in depth ..... ???

Have you ever studied astronomy and planetary cycles,
in depth ..... ???

It's quite obvious that you have NOT, since statements
like the one below are only partly true:

"Planets have a frequency measured in years."

Fact is, base unit of solar time is an hour and whether used
in a diurnal sense or a sidereal sense, time remains constant
and therefore easier to evaluate, than the variable, price.

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Have you ever studied and applied Gann's astrostuff ???

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As for the rest of your comments ..... we put astroanlaysis
to the test in the markets, every trading day and much of
that analysis is posted here.

For example, just follow the forecasts for SHA, PYM, TLS
and more, then post some forward analysis for the same
stock, using whatever method you wish and post them
on ASF for comparison.

It is easy to be an armchair critic, but let's hear an
alternative approach that can even come close to
astroanalysis !~!

You're on Moses, as we eagerly await some forward-looking
analysis on the stocks, mentioned above.

have a great weekend

yogi

 

[moses]

Have you ever studied astrology, in depth ..... ???

Have you ever studied astronomy and planetary cycles,
in depth ..... ???

It's quite obvious that you have NOT, since statements...

Its my job actually, and I've made about a million bucks in wages doing it.

It is easy to be an armchair critic, but let's hear an
alternative approach that can even come close to
astroanalysis !~!

You're on Moses, as we eagerly await some forward-looking
analysis on the stocks, mentioned above.

The most money I've lost on a trade was a stock I bought on your advice on this forum before I knew you used astro as your method. I don't hold that against you, it was my fault entirely for not doing my research into your methods before buying the stock. But its true, and I've learnt that lesson.

However, I don't have to defend my methods; you do. You are the one promoting astro-trading, not me. I'm not promoting anything, and I certainly don't pretend to understand the stock market forces beyond the most basic fundamentals. And I've even been generous enough to allow that astro-trading might work, if only on the basis that if enough people believe in it they will influence the market sentiment.

But the astro stuff you've posted as facts is sheer nonsense.

Moses.

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi Moses,

You say the astrostuff posted is sheer nonsense .....

..... please PROVE it to be so !~!

That should not be too hard for a gun astrologer/astronomer
..... yes???

Always happy to learn from an expert, on this end ...

have a great weekend

yogi

P.S. ..... eagerly awaiting some astro facts from you.

 

[Magdoran]

Hello Yogi,


It is interesting that you take the time to respond to a less cordial comment on Astrotrading, but my more polite and respectful request for a dialogue is ignored...

What has happened to you Yogi? You seem bitter in your recent posts compared to your comments over the years. You gave the impression of being more balanced and jovial back then, albeit a bit of a zealot. Are you Ok? I just get the impression something is not right with your world recently judging by the barbs in your recent posts (some of which the moderators actually had to edit).

Now Moses (laughed my head off when I saw this, “Moses” talking to the “master” of the bible codes! Hahaha) is actually right about one thing, the onus is on the person making a claim, not the other way around, but perhaps this scientific method is “alien” to you?

Certainly I belong to a different school of thought, but I have approached you with an open hand, and a willingness to converse. It is up to you how you would like to respond. But your current attitude I must admit does not inspire much confidence. I do think you have some method in your forecasting, but I suspect that it isn’t as great a “secret” or as powerful as you make it out to be. In fact, I’d say your behaviour seems quite defensive. Certainly not open, and the word “philanthropic” doesn’t seem come to mind either.

I just thought it would be interesting to compare notes, nothing more. Perhaps my questions have probed too deeply into the real basis of your methods – am I close? I think so. Ok, if you want to be a tortoise in his shell, and shy away from someone who is from a different school of Gann willing to have a genuine dialogue, so be it.

And yes, I am a skeptic when it comes to all things, I am a product of a science based education after all, and proud of it, and I will continue to investigate and seek plausible approaches and explanations. I just wanted to give you the chance to put your position out there in a constructive way...

By the way, Yogi, I do wish you well in your endevours.


Regards


Magdoran