Astro......?

[nelly]

Just a simple question..
What does the term 'Astrotrader' refer to....I presume it is a.......it sounds too silly.
Illumination anyone..?
Cheers...

 

[phoenixrising]

Astrology trader I guess

 

[nelly]

Astrology trader I guess

Hi Phoenix
Seriously...like...the stars,stars...like as in aquarius,gemini stars...astrology...planet alignment stars.......for trading on the stock market.......seriously...???
Do they have crystal-traders...? :bananasmi

 

[silence]

Yes, time cycles and stuff like that. Whether you think it works or not, if it works for them then leave them to it, I say.

 

[nelly]

..Hey....different strokes....fine by me......what works,works I suppose...... it seems to me people IMO sometimes live on a completely different plane...fine.....makes for a more interestin place...don't ya think.....never let it be said my mind is narrow/closed.....

Cheers..thanks for the illumination

 

[Magdoran]

Just a simple question..
What does the term 'Astrotrader' refer to....I presume it is a.......it sounds too silly.
Illumination anyone..?
Cheers...

Hello nelly,


I am not an Astrotrader, but I have certainly studied their methods.

If you want to look into this further, the foremost authority on this site is Yogi-in-oz, who has actually published several works on the subject. He has posted widely on a variety of sites, and has made many forecasts. See the thread below:

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/fo...read.php?t=3651

The discipline is usually based on using key W.D.Gann techniques, but is a specialised school which uses planetary relationships for timing called “aspects” (major aspects are: “opposition” – 180 degrees, conjunction” – 0 degrees – “Square” 90 degrees, “Sextile” – 60 degrees, “Trine” – 120 degrees). This measures the relationship between two planets or the sun and a planet.

Essentially practitioners use either geocentric (earth based), or Heliocentric (Sun based) relationships between the planets – and the geometric position of planets is often worked out using an “ephemeris” – which also is able to calculate future and past positions.

The idea is that there are “Planetary vibrations” that run through the whole solar system, and they believe that these have a material effect on markets – particularly commodities. Larry Pesavento wrote several works in this area, especially “Planetary Harmonics of Speculative Markets”, and “Astro Cycles (The Trader's Viewpoint)” which explains these theories in more detail.

Practitioners like Yogi use “natural squares” which attempt to calculate support and resistance in both time and price, but in conjunction (forgive the pun) with astrology projections.

Personally I’m not a subscriber to these astrological approaches, but I do think that there may be some merit in the timing in some cases (I suspect the Saturn cycle does seem to correlate with broader 10 year economic cycles – but I suspect this is coincidental, but then I’m not an expert or a practitioner of Astrotrading). Some of the straight geometric Gann methodology though if used correctly, is actually quite useful for technical analysis. But it’s up to the individual, and some people like Yogi swear by these approaches – horses for courses.


Regards


Magdoran

 

[nelly]

Thanx Magdoran
I am now......illuminated.
Thanx...ta

 

[Magdoran]

Thanx Magdoran
I am now......illuminated.
Thanx...ta

Hahahaha, nelly,


Just watch out for that "lunar" cycle at night!


Mag

 

[michael_selway]

where is "yogi in oz" when u need him

thx

MS

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Just a simple question..
What does the term 'Astrotrader' refer to....I presume it is a.......it sounds too silly.
Illumination anyone..?
Cheers...

Hi Nelly,

Would just like to add a few comments here to clarify
exactly how astrotraders use our solar system and its
relationship to the markets.

As silly as it may sound to the skeptix, many fund
managers use financial astrology for their market
timing, though most of the cannot admit it, due to
the ridicule it would bring down on them .....

..... it was NO DIFFERENT in Gann's day and that was
the reason why he coded his astrotrading methods into
his 1927 novel, Tunnel thru the Air.

But, things are now changing in the marketplace:

Henry Weingarten set up the Astrologers Fund
on 02 May 1988 and has been a most transparent
fund manager making use of planetary cycles for
trading.

He also wrote a book " Investing by the Stars ... Using
Astrology in Financial Markets" ISBN 0-07-068999-7


----

Really, financial astrology is something of a misnomer
and probably financial astronomy would be a more correct
term, as we are more concerned with the planetary cycles
and their mathematical relationships with each other,
rather than the interpretive stance of astrology.

For convenience, we have borrowed astrologers' charts
and tables, as they present us with an easy graphical
account of what is happening in the heavens above.

-----

Technically, our aim is to evaulate the time axis on our
price charts, using the oldest and most accurate clock
known to mankind ..... the cosmic clock.

Marketwise, this is the astrotrader's technical approach:

PRICE axis is always VARIABLE, but our TIME axis is
always CONSTANT and therefore easier to analyze.

If we use TIME as the median, then PRICE will most often
be moving either ahead of TIME or behind TIME, similar
to deviations from a mean, shown by the action of a
sine wave ~~~~~~~~~~ or price action in the markets.

We can see this action on the price charts, as making
rounding-bottoms and tops TA patterns and often the
price will fail at the median (or pivot) as it lifts off a
rounding-bottom (for example).

Length of such waves or cycles cn often be correlated
directly to planetary movements and/or events.

-----

Up front, planets have NO INFLUENCE on the markets,
they are just bits of rock orbiting in space, at very
predictable rates of circular movement, that can be
used for timing of many events, even the markets.

Observations and RECORDING of events on earth,
when each planetary event occurs in the heavens
have been progressing for THOUSANDS of years,
so from such history, we can often delineate
earthbound events, with some accuracy.

This is compared to the relatively short time, that
can be assigned to modern financial markets .....
..... some 200 years, at most.

-----

This is the same cosmic clock used for launching
rockets and satellites, timing their entries, exits
and manoeuvres with exquisite accuracy.

..... and best of all, NO MAN can interfere with
this timing device ..... not even GW Bush !~!

-----

Here's an exercise that may be interesting for
the skeptics ..... today, some atroanalysis has
been posted for SHA, an Aussie IPO, due to
list next week.

Just follow the key dates and use them to confirm
your regular FA/TA for SHA, in the months ahead.

No, those key dates will not ALL bring expected
SHA news/ moves, but they WILL help to build a
better overview of the stock.

Try it, it will cost you NOTHING, except for a
little TIME .....


Hope this helps a bit .....

have a great day

yogi

 

[rub92me]

Well, I'm a skeptic alright. None of the statements made about how/why this works made any sense to me. Good luck to you all the same : .

 

[nelly]

Hi yogi-in-oz.......[it feels strange using that name with no picnic basket involved]
I'm by no means deriding your technique...after all we are all trying to do the same thing..which is make $$$$
And I do not know the first thing about astrotrading, but......are you telling me this guy Gann has devised a method to make money on the stock market out of planetary alignment and the nature of the universe..and then wrote a book about his theory/supposition using Biblical references to disguise his theory/hypothesis
so people would not ridicule him....??????
p.s. What star sign are you..??

 

[Jadefox]

Astrology is an ancient and highly respected science in India and has been used for thousands of years to predict events with considerable accuracy.
The science is based on countless observations of how planetary movements,combinations and cycles influence events on Earth and in the lives of individuals.
If you are interested google "vedic astrology" or read some of the many books
on the subject.

 

[yogi-in-oz]

Hi Nelly,

..... you got it in one !~!


If you just google "Gann", you will find mountains
of information on Gann's works, especially his
extensive writings, about his mechanical methods.

Information about his astrotrading methods is much
harder to find, but it does exist on the web and a
search for Sepharial's work will also provide more
insight into many of the astro techniques,
that Gann employed, as the basis of his own
methods.

happy days

yogi

P.S. ..... a VERY grounded Taurean on this end ..... lol

 

[moses]

Astrology was also an ancient Babylonian science that was able to predict real events, true; but what sort of events?

Astronomical events. Like the phases of the moon, the positions of the planets, the arrival of the seasons, and even eclipses.

Back in ancient times people soon figured out that there was a relationship between the seasons (which brought rain and snow and sunshine and crops) and the apparent positions of the sun, moon and stars. By careful observation the ancient astrologers learnt to predict the movements of the sun, moon and stars. This made astrologers very powerful and rich. For an agricultural society who worshipped the sun, moon, planets and stars as gods, an astrologer was predicting the behaviour of the gods! And most spectacularly in the case of an eclipse.

In such a society it would seem quite logical to consult an astrologer about one's personal future.

And that put the astrologers in a powerful and lucrative position to exploit people's fears, ignorance and superstitions. It wasn't long before some claimed to be able to influence the gods...more power, more money!

So yes, astrology could predict events. Big deal.

The question is "what sort of events?"

The answer is as I said before; astronomical events, and events that are influenced by astronomical events, aka, the weather, the seasons, the tides etc. Important stuff really, but nothing mystical, and not the sort of stuff we bother to associate with astrology today.

Modern astrology is at best a harmless indulgence, at worst, fraud. It doesn't matter how many star charts are used, how many stars you were born under, how many planets are measured, how many genuine astronomical cycles are included...all the charts can do is tell you about astronomical cycles. They won't pick a footy winner, they won't pick the next election, they won't tell you the price of gold, and they certainly won't enhance your love life.

But we love to pretend.

 

[nelly]

Hi y'all
I will endeavour to read about anything i don't fully comprehend, with an open mind....but i doubt it will change my fundamental way of seeing the world. Yes astrology may have it's place.... the stars, universe time and space are all indicators of a much bigger picture.......but i find it an improbabability they could be in any sense indicators for past, present or future events of the stock market.
Biological, agricultural even oceanogrophy.. yes...but indicators for human behaviour [a big factor in the market equation] i think not.
I will check out the sites and attempt to educate myself further on the subject, i don't want to be seen to dismiss this out of hand, and i will keep an open mind.....

p.s. i'm a rather pragmatic taurean who enjoys good sci-fi

cheerful.. :70: :goodnight

 

[moses]

There is one remote astronomical cycle however, which modern astronomers have argued/demonstrated does (or did) affect the economy. Its the 11 year sunspot cycle. Apparently there is a discernable 11 year cycle in the price of wheat in England going back to the middle ages.

How does it work? If I recall correctly, it goes something like this...

The earth has a magnetic field which protects us like a shield from a lot of outer space nasties like cosmic rays. Cosmic rays are high energy particles emitted from exploding stars/galaxies billions of light years away, billions of years ago, and some are always getting through. But when the sunspot activity is high, the magnetic storms on the sun disturb our magnetic sheild, and there is an increase in the number of cosmic rays that enter our atmosphere.

Cosmic rays help trigger the formation of raindrops. Increase the cosmic rays and you increase cloud formation and the likelihood of rain. Increase the rain, increase the crops. Increase the crops and the price of wheat falls.

And it works in reverse too.

Decrease the sunspot activity, decrease the cosmic rays, decrease the rain, decrease the crops = food shortage = rapid rise in price of food. And so on, standard supply and demand stuff.

A similar eleven year pattern is seen in the thickness of varves, and the richness of the pollen stored in the varves. (Varves are sedimentry layers of rock built up from mud washed by streams into the bottom of a lake over millions of years). Again they indicate an eleven year cycle of rainfall, although millions of years ago the pollen wasn't worrying about the stockmarket!

What I find amazing about this story is the way that, through the weather, human behaviour and thus the stockmarkets seem to be affected by stars that explode billions of years ago/away. Of course, alternatively, it may just be that the variation in solar activity is enough to have a solar effect on rainfall, which isn't quite as exciting, but either way, there IS (or was) a relationship between the sunspot cycle and the prices of wheat.

But thats not astrology. Its science with weather as the demonstrable mechanism.

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EAE03/08185/EAE03-J-08185.pdf

Moses

PS. I use the word "remote" because technically speaking every day is an astronomical event.

 

[nelly]

Hi y'all
Yogi.....can u find osama.....i hear there's a bounty on his head..........could give up all this.........[sorry ..........thought u could use a little levity]

I will seriously read up :drink: not till after the rugby though.....

 

[rub92me]

What I find amazing about this story is the way that, through the weather, human behaviour and thus the stockmarkets seem to be affected by stars that explode billions of years ago/away. Of course, alternatively, it may just be that the variation in solar activity is enough to have a solar effect on rainfall, which isn't quite as exciting, but either way, there IS (or was) a relationship between the sunspot cycle and the prices of wheat.

But thats not astrology. Its science with weather as the demonstrable mechanism.

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EAE03/08185/EAE03-J-08185.pdf

Moses

PS. I use the word "remote" because technically speaking every day is an astronomical event.

All that was demonstrated by the authors of the study was a statistical link between sunspot cycles and UK wheat prices. The impact of variances in solar activity to climate is still not very well understood at all. I don't understand why/how this study possibly relates to stars exploding billions of years ago and how this would affect humans or the stockmarket.