ASF Fishing Thread - The Angler's Paradise!!

[nioka]

I would also assume horses dont like being ridden, other animals dont like being hunted, some dogs/cats dont like being groomed for shows etc etc

And most humans would prefer not to work. I suppose we could start another thread "Fish wars".

Humans are after all hunter gatherers. Remember also that the little fish probably dont like getting eaten by the bigger ones either. Even krill would prefer not to drown in the digestive juices of a whale.

What next?

 

[breaker]

Fellas, if I intruded on this thread and asked you how you'd feel if you were dragged out of your habitat by a bloody great hook in your mouth, I suppose I'd just make myself thoroughly unpopular, and would have no chance of causing a rethink about the sport of fishing?

Maybe your dog dont like ridin around with his head out the window

 

[nunthewiser]

Maybe your dog dont like ridin around with his head out the window

Can certainly say that my dog didnt like his nuts being cut off....:

 

[Julia]

And most humans would prefer not to work. I suppose we could start another thread "Fish wars".

Humans are after all hunter gatherers. Remember also that the little fish probably dont like getting eaten by the bigger ones either. Even krill would prefer not to drown in the digestive juices of a whale.

What next?

I would also assume horses dont like being ridden, other animals dont like being hunted, some dogs/cats dont like being groomed for shows etc etc

Totally true, Prawn. I knew mine would be an unpopular comment and I know I'm well in the minority.

Nioka, the hunter gatherer argument is hardly valid considering we have a vast array of food to keep us alive. I have no problem with people who genuinely need to catch fish to feed themselves.
But for most Australians, it's sport, and that's what I'm less than comfortable with.
If it were possible to capture/kill the fish without torturing them in the process, then that's OK. I just find hauling a creature out of its watery environment, with the larger ones being played sometimes for hours just for the sport of it, horrible.

But I should have stayed out of the thread. I know I'll never win any argument on this. If you could all just kill the creature as quickly as possible, rather than let it flounder about, gasping until it eventually expires, that would be something. (Not suggesting you don't now, but I've seen this happen often.)

Maybe your dog dont like ridin around with his head out the window

She as it happens - like most dogs - loves having her head out the window.
I'm having some difficulty finding the connection with whether she does or doesn't, however, with hauling fish around via a hook in their mouths.

 

[prawn_86]

. If you could all just kill the creature as quickly as possible, rather than let it flounder about, gasping until it eventually expires, that would be something. (Not suggesting you don't now, but I've seen this happen often.)

I actually fish for catch and release most of the time. I will catch the fish, get the hook out, then release it to try and catch it again. It's the challenge rather than the food side of things for me (not that i fish very often)

 

[nunthewiser]

I fish.

I love it.
I eat fish also.

My dog had nuts.

He loved them .

But in being a responsible pet owner it was deemed that it was the right thing to do to lop them lil suckers off so he could no longer impregnate all the local dogs,

I think he would have preferred me to do more fishing rather than be concerned about his fatherhhood plans.

He loves going fishing also.

aint life cruel.

 

[breaker]

She as it happens - like most dogs - loves having her head out the window.
I'm having some difficulty finding the connection with whether she does or doesn't, however, with hauling fish around via a hook in their mouths.

Dogs ,like most animals have a different perception to pain as humans I know this to be so ,as I have a lifetime experience of work on the land where castration,speying,mulesing ect is a way of life.
A dog with its head out the window when it hits a tree is probably just as happy as the fish.

 

[nulla nulla]

Fellas, if I intruded on this thread and asked you how you'd feel if you were dragged out of your habitat by a bloody great hook in your mouth, I suppose I'd just make myself thoroughly unpopular, and would have no chance of causing a rethink about the sport of fishing?

Not a chance, never ever, hunter gatherer instincs etc. You will never sway a truly dedicated angler from fishing, ever!

 

[nulla nulla]

Oh and by the way, we eat all the fish I catch and they taste better than any farmed crap you can buy in the fish shops.

 

[Whiskers]

Fellas, if I intruded on this thread and asked you how you'd feel if you were dragged out of your habitat by a bloody great hook in your mouth, I suppose I'd just make myself thoroughly unpopular, and would have no chance of causing a rethink about the sport of fishing?

I love fish and fishing (for food)... but I tend to wonder why 'sport' fishing is not banned like most other former sport shooting or hunting of animals for fun.

I watch some of the fishing shows on tele for example where they get all excited about hooking and playing these fish for the longer the better, then holding it up for display out of it's natural environment and then let it go back into the water proclaiming to be good conversationists ... before doing it all over again.

If they were truely concerned with the conservation of fish stocks wouldn't they just leave them alone instead of engaging in contradicting behaviour!

Despite what the TV programs display, often fish are not hooked just in the mouth, but swallow the hook and you tear up their gut to remove the hook or alternatively cut the line and leave the hook to as they emphasise to rust away quickly... but what about the damage to their organs and inability to eat and or metabalise normaly in the meantime.

Not good for the çonservation look... or was that an attempt at 'denial'... to justify and feel better about their 'ágressive' interpretation of 'fun'. :hide:


I'm ready to run and hide behind you Julia ... there is volumes of evidence that people who commit acts of cruelty on anaimals is a pretty good indicator to voilent behaviour or at least violent disposition in a person. :hide: :hide:


A couple of laymans definitions of cruelty:

1. Cruelty to animals is the infliction of suffering or harm upon animals, other than humans, for purposes other than self-defense. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=...s&sa=X&ei=StHXTMH8HIqwuAPBmNDICQ&ved=0CBkQkAE
   
2. cruelty to animals n. the crime of inflicting physical pain, suffering or death on an animal, usually a tame one, beyond necessity for normal discipline. It can include neglect that is so monstrous (withholding food and water) that the animal has suffered, died or been put in imminent danger of death. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cruelty+to+animals

 

[breaker]

Yeah, last time I cut the broccoli I heard it cry

 

[trainspotter]

I fish and I vote. This guy tasted good. The fish that is. Not the Italian dude in the background.

 

[Whiskers]

Yeah, last time I cut the broccoli I heard it cry

Actually, that's not as as maybe you thought.

There is a lot of noise in the world that is inaudable to human ears. Dogs, dolphins and whales for example are renowned for hearing particularly distress calls that humans can't hear.

While plants don't express pain or distress in 'noise' that humans associate with pain and suffering, broccoli and plants generally, do experience pain and suffering from numerous things and conditions, but express it differently... for example as soon as you cut off the brocolli, the top starts irreversably dying, loosing moisture and breaking down it's internal cells and nutrients in the equivilant of sign language for humans who can't hear, seeing someone becoming dehygrated, weak from malnutrition and starving to death.

Be kind to plants too.

 

[Julia]

Dogs ,like most animals have a different perception to pain as humans I know this to be so ,as I have a lifetime experience of work on the land where castration,speying,mulesing ect is a way of life.
A dog with its head out the window when it hits a tree is probably just as happy as the fish.

What on earth makes you think if I'm driving along the highway, I'm suddenly going to be sideswiping a tree?

Can you provide some substantiation of your assertion that animals have a 'different perception of pain'? I don't think they do at all. They are, though, more stoic than we are.

And before I leave the fish argument alone, neurological studies have confirmed that fish feel pain. Hence my concern for them being subjected to this just to amuse human beings.

Not a chance, never ever, hunter gatherer instincs etc. You will never sway a truly dedicated angler from fishing, ever!

I know, nulla, I know. So foolish of me to even stick my neck out on this.

I love fish and fishing (for food)... but I tend to wonder why 'sport' fishing is not banned like most other former sport shooting or hunting of animals for fun.

I watch some of the fishing shows on tele for example where they get all excited about hooking and playing these fish for the longer the better, then holding it up for display out of it's natural environment and then let it go back into the water proclaiming to be good conversationists ... before doing it all over again.

Exactly what I was getting at, Whiskers. Those shows (and the practice in real life) shows a complete disregard for the poor damn fish.
We are all just different species on this muddled and confused planet, and I'm damned if I can see why the human species should consider they have the right to torture another species just for fun.

I'm ready to run and hide behind you Julia ... there is volumes of evidence that people who commit acts of cruelty on anaimals is a pretty good indicator to voilent behaviour or at least violent disposition in a person. :hide: :hide:

By showing some support for what I'm on about you're not hiding, Whiskers, and I appreciate very much that at least you can see that I'm not just being a spoilsport.

Just seems to me there are so many things people can do for fun and/or sport, so why is it necessary to torture another living creature?

 

[sails]

... Can you provide some substantiation of your assertion that animals have a 'different perception of pain'? I don't think they do at all. They are, though, more stoic than we are.

And before I leave the fish argument alone, neurological studies have confirmed that fish feel pain. Hence my concern for them being subjected to this just to amuse human beings....

Yes, I share you sentiments, Julia. I have always felt sorry for a fish being dangled by a hook in it's mouth. On expressing concern for a hapless fish, I have often been told that "Nah, the fish don't feel a thing" - but have remained quite unconvinced...

 

[nunthewiser]

And before I leave the fish argument alone, neurological studies have confirmed that fish feel pain. Hence my concern for them being subjected to this just to amuse human beings.



Just seems to me there are so many things people can do for fun and/or sport, so why is it necessary to torture another living creature?

neurological studies also show that dogs have emotions and feelings , so why is it ok to embarrass the poor mutt by making it sit, roll over , beg , and all sorts of other pathetic ideas humans decided dogs should do on command?

how about pain? . dogs dont feel being desexed, tattood , microchipped .ALL because humans say it should be done

yes lets all take up basket weaving instead of subjecting dogs to this unnatural treatment.

a ban on dog ownership sounds fair.....let them be free



No offense intended but geeze some of this thread is hypocrisy at its finest...

 

[breaker]

How about Joel Monaghan's dog

 

[Julia]

neurological studies also show that dogs have emotions and feelings , so why is it ok to embarrass the poor mutt by making it sit, roll over , beg , and all sorts of other pathetic ideas humans decided dogs should do on command?

Agree re the beg, roll over etc. However, are you suggesting that we don't need to train dogs at all, that they should be free to run where they like in built up urban areas, off leash, jumping on kids and knocking them over, big dogs monstering little ones?

how about pain? . dogs dont feel being desexed, tattood , microchipped .ALL because humans say it should be done

So as an alternative you'd stop desexing dogs? I seem to recall you referred to your own dog being desexed?
Already thousands of puppies and dogs are put down because no one wants them. You think we should add to this problem?

And it's done under anaesthetic, for heaven's sake, with follow up analgesia as required. Microchipping is something I resisted for a long time, but have come to see that's sensible.

yes lets all take up basket weaving instead of subjecting dogs to this unnatural treatment.

I've gathered that you are more than a bit fond of your own dog/dogs, Nun, so can only imagine you're just wanting to be argumentative.
And I'm sure you, like all of us who love our dogs, treat yours with affection.

No offense intended but geeze some of this thread is hypocrisy at its finest...

Where is the hypocrisy? I don't subject my dog to any form of cruelty.
Cruelty is what I'm raising when it comes to playing fish as a sport or human entertainment.

 

[roland]

whoops, I thought this was a fishing thread....?

I guess right now wouldn't be a good time to about good land fishing sites around the Sydney area....

 

[prawn_86]

I guess right now wouldn't be a good time to about good land fishing sites around the Sydney area....

I live near the Cooks River and do a bit of catch and release for bream along accessible areas anywhere from Marrickville through to the ocean. Using soft plastics with success

Mainly get smaller ones but is still a bit of fun. Just bought a couple of bigger heavier lures, for a bit deeper waters, cause i saw some guys in a boat the other day pulling in a few decent size snook or something similar.