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To answer your question Carr isn't. More to the point he led a successful Govt with 10 years of budget surpluses. KK on the other hand had one of the biggest election losses... and putting up a proven loser with some guard-damn yankee accent isn't a smart strategy given the nature of this by-election.

JA is good with his electorate but is a hater of penalty rates so that should be the target of the ALP's campaign. KK just doesn't espouse the blue-collar values to me and that's really the only weapon Labor have.
 
PZ99 said:
To answer your question Carr isn't. More to the point he led a successful Govt with 10 years of budget surpluses. KK on the other hand had one of the biggest election losses... and putting up a proven loser with some guard-damn yankee accent isn't a smart strategy given the nature of this by-election.

JA is good with his electorate but is a hater of penalty rates so that should be the target of the ALP's campaign. KK just doesn't espouse the blue-collar values to me and that's really the only weapon Labor have.
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A Coalition government had to pick up the pieces after Carr. Ran the state into the ground, and put a lot of regional folks out of their jobs.
 
Logique said:
A Coalition government had to pick up the pieces after Carr. Ran the state into the ground, and put a lot of regional folks out of their jobs.
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Ran it into the ground with ten budget surpluses after six years of Coalition deficits?
 
PZ99 said:
Ran it into the ground with ten budget surpluses after six years of Coalition deficits?
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I know NSW is something like 30% of everything in Oz and seems bullet proof ...... what is Logique actually referring to in your mind?
 
Tisme said:
I know NSW is something like 30% of everything in Oz and seems bullet proof ...... what is Logique actually referring to in your mind?
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I think he's referring to events that happened after Bob Carr retired. Bob Carr was premier for the ten years that NSW and the country in general had strong economic growth and high revenues both state and federal.

That all changed when we had widespread drought, the GFC and subsequent falling revenues and job losses, and revolving door premiers and finally KK as leader of a corrupt ALP Govt that couldn't organise a root in a brothel. None of this has anything to do with Bob Carr. Sure, the corruption was there but that's not the same as running the state into the ground.

My original viewpoint was he has a better record than KK and would do better in that election.

Putting up KK would be like the Liberals bringing back Campbell Newman in QLD.
 
Logique said:
How were we looking after the Sydney Olympics? Seen the (booming) state accounts under the current Coalition government?
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Pretty good actually...
  • 1996-97: 801
  • 1997-98: 1,309
  • 1998-99: 1,038
  • 1999-00: 2,003
  • 2000-01: 1,487 ✔
  • 2001-02: 1,566 ✔
  • 2002-03: 1,752 ✔
  • 2003-04: 1,153 ✔
  • 2004-05: 240 ✔
  • 2005-06: 1,928 ✔
  • 2006-07: 795 ✔
9 billion dollars of surpluses not good enough?

Current Coalition's numbers look very similar - now what's your point again?
 
Logique said:
http://www.wikileaksparty.org.au/farewelling-the-populist-bob-carr-evacuates/
"The Carr resume is grotesque..."
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An emotive story with no substance, no details and as a result - no comments to give it credibility. It doesn't articulate what he actually did or didn't do as NSW premier. Just what others did when he was in power. Hardly worthy of donning a Coalition cheerleader skirt and doing a dance.

More about Dr. Binoy Kampmark after he dissed Tony Abbott (look at the comments too!) > http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...k=274ff93587210c0cd2333f53dbcf8137-1510711707

Got anything real? Your claim is Bob Carr ran the state into the ground. I just posted the budget figures that totally contradict what you are saying.

How is that possible ?
 
Oh yeah, the Farmers Association. These are the same right wingers who supported workchoices which stripped away pay and rights from workers and sided with groups that were on the gravy train of higher profits at the expense of aussie workers. Their views are of no value to me.

But you are avoiding the point Logique. The state's finances improved and played no small part in why NSW is debt free today.
 
PZ99 said:
Ran it into the ground with ten budget surpluses after six years of Coalition deficits?
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He wasn't good at all. Tax was high he only got the surplus after doubling tax revenue and raping the state with private enterprise.
Carr allowed unfunded superannuation
liabilities to blow out by billions and also used dodgy accounting
techniques to load up debt in off-budget enterprises, such as
electricity companies.

He was about equal par with KK
 
moXJO said:
He wasn't good at all. Tax was high he only got the surplus after doubling tax revenue and raping the state with private enterprise.
Carr allowed unfunded superannuation
liabilities to blow out by billions and also used dodgy accounting
techniques to load up debt in off-budget enterprises, such as
electricity companies.

He was about equal par with KK
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I didn't say he was "good". The surpluses came from GST revenues so you can thank the Howard Govt for paying that extra tax :)

Claiming he was equal with KK is curious.

Carr served 4 terms and won 3 elections - KK served half a term and had a massive loss.

What miracle did KK perform in half a term that made her equal with Bob Carr's 4 terms?
 
PZ99 said:
I didn't say he was "good". The surpluses came from GST revenues so you can thank the Howard Govt for paying that extra tax :)

Claiming he was equal with KK is curious.

Carr served 4 terms and won 3 elections - KK served half a term and had a massive loss.

What miracle did KK perform in half a term that made her equal with Bob Carr's 4 terms?
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It was his last term when the wheels fell off and everyone had enough. Libs had failed to put up anyone that could run the joint, up till that time. Plus NSW really sticks with one party till the house burns down.
NSW wanted to punt his ass, but I think he quit a year before election time from memory.

KK was all fluff. No one really held a grudge.
 
I think KK is still all fluff really and I would agree with an earlier comment that running her would insult that electorate. If that's the best Labor can do then they have issues. If she wins then the Coalition has even bigger issues. My 2c.
 

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