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[The Triangle]

So where did the Guardian slip up ?

What sins of commission or omission did they make ?

Their story seemed fairly factual to me. They did not express an opinion of guilt or innocence, they reported what happened.

That's their job surely ?

I did not say the guardian slipped up. The original reply was to your ABC article. They are separate entities.

 

[SirRumpole]

I did not say the guardian slipped up. The original reply was to your ABC article. They are separate entities.

You criticised a poster for quoting Guardian articles, that seemed to be a criticism of that publication.

The ABC article you rubbished consisted mainly of direct quotes from the judge, Brittany Higgins and Lehrmann's lawyer, and statements of fact regarding trial dates etc. I can't really see anything there that equates to bad reporting.

Anyway , as you say, who cares ?

Unless we happen to find ourselves in similar situations, including being on a jury.

 

[basilio]

You criticised a poster for quoting Guardian articles, that seemed to be a criticism of that publication.

The ABC article you rubbished consisted mainly of direct quotes from the judge, Brittany Higgins and Lehrmann's lawyer, and statements of fact regarding trial dates etc. I can't really see anything there that equates to bad reporting.

Anyway , as you say, who cares ?

Unless we happen to find ourselves in similar situations, including being on a jury.

My bad. Shouldn't be feeding the trolls should I ?

We have been around this block often enough to know every crack in the footpath and every weed in nature strip. When some posters forthrightly make up a story with zero evidence for it and are then pulled up with factual rebuttals the go to position is to trash The Guardian.

Don't be concerned about the facts when they are direct quotes of the presiding judge. Don't reconsider a POV that perhaps was over blown. Just trash the messenger. Easy peasy

 

[sptrawler]

How anyone could cut taxes for the rich while people's gas prices were going through the roof and expect to remain as leader is beyond me, what a ghastly mistake, so out of touch.

Isnt that what is happening in Australia? Tax cuts for the rich and out of control gas and electricity prices.

 

[SirRumpole]

Isnt that what is happening in Australia? Tax cuts for the rich and out of control gas and electricity prices.

Yeah but the tax cuts here were agreed before the UkraIne war when the economy y looked a lot better.

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah but the tax cuts here were agreed before the UkraIne war when the economy y looked a lot better.

Hopefully they defer them again IMO.

 

[sptrawler]

You criticised a poster for quoting Guardian articles, that seemed to be a criticism of that publication.

The ABC article you rubbished consisted mainly of direct quotes from the judge, Brittany Higgins and Lehrmann's lawyer, and statements of fact regarding trial dates etc. I can't really see anything there that equates to bad reporting.

Anyway , as you say, who cares ?

Unless we happen to find ourselves in similar situations, including being on a jury.

The wife did jury duty once, said it was really difficult to keep people on track, personal biases etc cause them to drift into emotional judgement, rather than just sticking to the facts as presented.

 

[basilio]

Nancy Pelosi's husband suffers fractured skull during home invasion by hammer-wielding man

A 42-year-old man arrested at the scene, who reportedly shouted "where is Nancy?" during the incident, will be charged with attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon and several other criminal charges, according to San Francisco Police.

www.abc.net.au

Another one of the people unhinged by QAnon and Trumps election lies.

 

[basilio]

The wife did jury duty once, said it was really difficult to keep people on track, personal biases etc cause them to drift into emotional judgement, rather than just sticking to the facts as presented.

There are questions about how appropriate juries are in 2022. There are other ways for judicial systems to work when attempting to uncover the truth. Thought provoking article and history lesson.

Australia’s legal system leaves juries stranded in a time warp – the world has moved on | Richard Ackland

Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial has highlighted the fragility of juries as courts ineffectively try to eliminate the risk of pre-judgment

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

The Canberra rape trial was highly unusual in terms of reportage.

The judge, the jury, and the Logies: Brittany Higgins may have changed the way you read about court

After a decade of covering the ACT courts, Elizabeth Byrne says the public and media interest in the trial of Bruce Lehrmann, and, in turn, his accuser Brittany Higgins, has been unprecedented.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SirRumpole]

There are questions about how appropriate juries are in 2022. There are other ways for judicial systems to work when attempting to uncover the truth. Thought provoking article and history lesson.

"While citizens are susceptible to prejudice, judges are immune and, apparently, are perfectly capable to sitting alone and determining a sound verdict against a backdrop that would be regarded as injurious for the ordinary soft-minded citizen."

I've often thought that judges sitting alone or on a panel of judges are preferable to juries.

They consider all the evidence forensically, give judgements in writing for which they are accountable to higher courts, and are less susceptible (though not immune) to prejudice and biased press reporting.

It would also save a lot of money to not have to go through the process of jury selection.

 

[wayneL]

Nancy Pelosi's husband suffers fractured skull during home invasion by hammer-wielding man

A 42-year-old man arrested at the scene, who reportedly shouted "where is Nancy?" during the incident, will be charged with attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon and several other criminal charges, according to San Francisco Police.

www.abc.net.au

Another one of the people unhinged by QAnon and Trumps election lies.

Not so fast bazz.

There could be more to this.

 

[wayneL]

Not so fast bazz.

There could be more to this.

Voting records show he is a member of The Green Party. Has a Pride flag outside house.

MAGA?

 

[wayneL]

Voting records show he is a member of The Green Party. Has a Pride flag outside house.

MAGA?

Others performing the sniff test (satirically):

I hope nobody with 2 hammers with a manifesto wearing only underwear gets past my fenced in property, sneaks by my 6 alert dogs, breaks my window, hands me a hammer and we get into a hammer fight, tonight.

There is more to this.

 

[basilio]

Voting records show he is a member of The Green Party. Has a Pride flag outside house.

MAGA?

You can pick out what you will from this current background check on the guy who was trying to kill Nancy Pelosi.
It does note his membership of the The Green Party so I suppose it must be thorough.
The rest of his history is eclectic. The recent activities are what brought him to where he is now.

What we know so far about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband

David DePape, 42, was a hemp jewellery maker who posted conspiracy theories on Facebook

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

I checked out Breiberts reporting on the attack.
Interesting what they put in - and also leave out..
Also how they have managed to paint the story. No surprises here.
However another Breibert report does mention the broader history of the guy.
Frankly The Guardian did a far better job of pulling all the pieces together.

Police Dispatch Audio: Paul Pelosi When Calling Cops Said 'He Doesn’t Know Who the Male Is but He Advised that His Name Is David and He Is a Friend'

Paul Pelosi told 911 that the individual who broke into his home and attacked him "is a friend,” according to a police dispatch call.

www.breitbart.com

Paul Pelosi Attacker Arrested in Underwear, Promoted Conspiracies

David DePape, the suspect who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer, was wearing only underwear when authorities arrived on the scene.

www.breitbart.com

 

[wayneL]

You can pick out what you will from this current background check on the guy who was trying to kill Nancy Pelosi.
It does note his membership of the The Green Party so I suppose it must be thorough.
The rest of his history is eclectic. The recent activities are what brought him to where he is now.

What we know so far about the man who attacked Nancy Pelosi’s husband

David DePape, 42, was a hemp jewellery maker who posted conspiracy theories on Facebook

www.theguardian.com

Certainly a mixed bag

But just wanted to call out the whole "MAGA QANON" trope.

Or have we forgotten about the GOP softball game getting shot up, Rand Paul losing half a lung, all the Antifa violence and.....

....the whole of freakin' 2021.

There are nutters everywhere, of all colours.

 

[Knobby22]

Certainly a mixed bag

But just wanted to call out the whole "MAGA QANON" trope.

Or have we forgotten about the GOP softball game getting shot up, Rand Paul losing half a lung, all the Antifa violence and.....

....the whole of freakin' 2021.

There are nutters everywhere, of all colours.

Yes, a conspiracy nut.

 

[noirua]

This small nation has been under Putin's thumb for years. Now they may be breaking free

With Vladimir Putin's forces in trouble in Ukraine, the Kremlin's ability to exert influence over post-Soviet states is being put to the test, driving some allies to seek other powerful relationships in Central Asia.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

Paul Pelosi was clever enough and frankly lucky enough to get the police to come to his house during the attack intended for Nancy.

Paul Pelosi secretly called 911 while in front of the intruder and spoke in 'code' to dispatcher to convey what was happening: 'Why are you here? What are you going to do to me?'​

Kelsey Vlamis,Taiyler Simone Mitchell
Sat, October 29, 2022 at 1:37 PM·3 min read

Paul Pelosi attends the Time 100 Gala 2019 at Jazz at Lincoln Center on April 23, 2019 in New York City.Sean Zanni/Patrick McMullan/Getty Images

• House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked by an intruder at their San Francisco home Friday.
• Police said Paul Pelosi was somehow able to make a 911 call during the incident.
• The 911 dispatcher knew something was wrong based on what she could overhear and alerted police.

The San Francisco Police Department confirmed during a press conference on Friday evening that Paul Pelosi, husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was somehow able to call 911 before being attacked with a hammer, allowing dispatch to respond.

Paul Pelosi secretly called 911 while in front of the intruder and spoke in 'code' to dispatcher to convey what was happening: 'Why are you here? What are you going to do to me?'

After Paul Pelosi called 911, a dispatcher overheard him talking to the intruder and knew something was wrong, alerting police.

news.yahoo.com