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SirRumpole said:
Why didn't he just have them sacked ?

Seriously, how the hell does a prop gun fire bullets ?
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More to the point, how the hell does a person who takes the pizz out of people because they don't ban guns, then go off and make movies involving guns.
As usual, it just depends if the narrative resonates with those who hold the stage.
Can't wait to see the right wing comedians run with this, just a shocking example of how life comes back to bite you on the ar$e.
It is just incredibly sad IMO and like I said it will give the right wing loonies a huge platform, the families must be devastated.
 
Guy will get trolled hard.
It wouldn't Have been bullets. Something would have malfunctioned. Unless the arms master really stuffed up. Bruce lees son died in a similar fashion.
 
Don't know the circumstances here, but blanks can kill at close range.

But does seem more likely that these were live rounds.
 
wayneL said:
Don't know the circumstances here, but blanks can kill at close range.

But does seem more likely that these were live rounds.
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Haven't read the story yet, but there will be all sorts of theories.
To me, why do movies and video games etc, have to involve so much violence?
Like I grew up with violence, being a pommie kid in mining towns in the 60's and 70's and having an off the scale violent father.
But I don't chase violence and I avoid it wherever I can, nowadays it seems as though the narrative is to be accepting and tolerant, but the reality is violence reinforcing through the media and online is off the scale.
It is a strange world IMO, is there any wonder that mental health issues are through the roof? we tell kids to be caring and understanding, then send them to their rooms to get on the computer and run over people for points, and beat the bejeezuz out of people in video games.
Weird IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
Haven't read the story yet, but there will be all sorts of theories.
To me, why do movies and video games etc, have to involve so much violence?
Like I grew up with violence, being a pommie kid in mining towns in the 60's and 70's and having an off the scale violent father.
But I don't chase violence and I avoid it wherever I can, nowadays it seems as though the narrative is to be accepting and tolerant, but the reality is violence reinforcing through the media and online is off the scale.
It is a strange world IMO, is there any wonder that mental health issues are through the roof? we tell kids to be caring and understanding, then send them to their rooms to get on the computer and run over people for points, and beat the bejeezuz out of people in video games.
Weird IMO.
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They were 'shooting' a Western. Pretty much goes with the territory.
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly would be a pretty boring without guns.

I remember in QLD someone got killed on set like this a few years back. Real bullets. Suspect the same.

Off topic they are filming the Woody Woodpecker Ii movie down at the Maribyrnong near me. Better watch out for splinters! :)
 
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This is a consequence of the gun culture in the USA, for good or for bad.

It is their problem and quite unique to them.

I had a loaded weapon pointed at me once at close range by a guy off his head on alcohol and drugs in the States as a teenager.

It does concentrate one's mind.

Much of the commentary over there over this event will be about gun safety, was it live ammo, safe use of weapons in movie making, etc. etc.

Nothing will change anytime soon. This event will be subsumed into the zeitgeist.

gg
 
Conspiracy theory #1. Baldwin was set up by a pro-gun lobbyist who loaded live rounds instead of blanks.

Great publicity, an anti gun lobbyist shoots someone thus eliminating his credibility.
 
Heaps of ways it can go wrong, but I seriously doubt it was live ammo. Here's how Lee died:

Hollowed-out cartridges are often used to film close-ups of a gun being loaded; the “dummy” cartridges are then supposed to be removed and replaced with blanks before being fired. The police investigation into Lee’s death concluded that a tip of one of the cartridge’s bullets broke off from the cartridge and lodged in the gun, then fired at Lee along with the blank.
 
moXJO said:
Heaps of ways it can go wrong, but I seriously doubt it was live ammo.
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It is now being reported that a single shot passed through the cinematographer, causing fatal wounds, and then entered the director's clavicle, causing critical wounds. How could something that caused all that damage to two people be anything other than a live round?

Eyewitnesses are also reporting that Baldwin shouted immediately after the incident, "Why was I handed a hot gun?"

It is looking more and more like a real bullet.
 
greggles said:
It is now being reported that a single shot passed through the cinematographer, causing fatal wounds, and then entered the director's clavicle, causing critical wounds. How could something that caused all that damage to two people be anything other than a live round?

Eyewitnesses are also reporting that Baldwin shouted immediately after the incident, "Why was I handed a hot gun?"

It is looking more and more like a real bullet.
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The above explains how.
There is a arms master on set. There should be no live ammo on set. They use a dummy bullet(if they need to show) then a blank. If the tip of the blank breaks off, then it becomes a limited range live bullet if the barrel isn't cleared.

If it were a live bullet something suspect occurred. Live bullets shouldn't be used in props at all. Baldwin wouldn't know what happened beyond the visuals. Cops would have arrested someone if it were live ammo
 
Someone stuffed up big time though as they didn't check the cylinder, or the end of the blank.
 
Turns out there were 3 incidents of gun misfires before this one. No assurances that it wouldn't happen again, or safety meets after.
Also rushed filming and a variety of other problems.
Is Baldwin the director?
Because that asshat would be doubly responsible.
 
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Turns out he was the producer.
Seems to be a lot of safety issues and crew mistreatment.
 
Baldwin as the actor in the film was shooting directly at the audience. This effectively is the camera person. It would be a very close shot. The bullet went through the camera woman and then hit the other director who was behind her.

Sheer hell. Seems like someone either stuffed up disastrously or deliberately set Baldwin up.
 
qldfrog said:
Not that fresh news..has some9ne got a conscience and ethics suddenly?
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...-role-days-from-starting-20211028-p59424.html
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Maybe he read the Victorian legislation and realised it isn't as good a job as first thought, isn't the CHO in Vic pandemic responsibilities being replaced by the premier and minister for health? Thereby leaving a possibility that the job, just becomes the fall guy for the minister?

Probably not the job, as was originally advertised, maybe Qld Gov sent out a new job description. :rolleyes:
From what Dan is suggesting, indicates that all public servants do as the Fuhrer says, all may now bow.
Even Putin must be impressed. ?
Wasn't it Dan that kept saying, we are doing this on the best advice from the CHO, obviously he though "I'm flucked if that will ever happen again". ?
By the way @basilio , this isn't even the shovel, or the other fringe tabloids you post up, this is the left wing "Age" story. :whistling:

www.theage.com.au

‘Draconian’: Government introduces new pandemic laws into Parliament

Health Minister Martin Foley said transparent decision-making was at the heart of the new legislation, but the Opposition decried it as an “incredible attack on democracy”.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
From the article:
The new pandemic-specific laws, which will replace state-of-emergency powers when they expire on December 15, curtail the chief health officer’s powers, giving the premier authority to declare a pandemic and the health minister the role of making public health orders.
 
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sptrawler said:
The new pandemic-specific laws, which will replace state-of-emergency powers when they expire on December 15, curtail the chief health officer’s powers, giving the premier authority to declare a pandemic and the health minister the role of making public health orders.
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IMV, that's the way it should be.

The elected officials make the decisions and take the responsibility.
 

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