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Argentina's market drops 48% in one day

I wonder what has been the impact of the crash of the Argentine stock exchange on the various funds that invest in international markets ?
Any info ?
will depend on what currencies you are investing in , some non-western investors would be looking at amazing opportunities ( assuming Argentina becomes a full member of BRICS ) a Chinese or Indian investor would be well positioned
 
Checked out Javier Milei profile on Wikipedia this afternoon. Quite extensive.
It was the last section that really caught my eye.

Dogs​

Milei is the owner of five English Mastiffs, with Conan serving as the progenitor; Conan died in 2017 after suffering from spinal cancer.[75][256][257] He considers Conan his son and has named four of Conan's six clones, including one named after the original and another named Angelito,[264] Milton (in honor of Milton Friedman), Murray (in honor of Murray Rothbard), Robert, and Lucas (both named after Robert Lucas).[265][266] To do this, he went to clinic in the United States; the clonation costed him about $50,000.[257] He described them as four-legged children and thanked them after his 2023 primaries win.[45]

Milei said he cloned Conan because he understands cloning as "a way of approaching eternity".[257] He also stated that he communicates with the dogs through a mystic.[31] For example, he commented that the new Conan provides ideas on general strategy, Robert is the one who makes him "see the future and learn from mistakes", Milton is in charge of political analysis, and Murray of the economy.[267] When asked about this by El País journalist Martín Sivak and Nicolás Lucca of Radio Rivadavia, Milei did not deny it, and said: "What I do with my spiritual life and in my house is my business. If Conan advises me on politics, it means that he is the best consultant of humanity."[256]

Milei said he had dialogues with the likes of Rothbard and Ayn Rand. In 2015, he cited Conan as a source of inspiration for his writing.[256] About Conan's death in 2017, Milei said that Conan had not really died (he described it as "his physical disappearance" and continued to refer to Conan in the present tense) but had gone to sit next to God to protect him, and that it was thanks to this that he had begun to have talks with God himself.[268] According to González, Milei wrote to a friend in a chat: "I saw the resurrection of Christ three times, but I can't count it. They would say I'm crazy."[75]
 
from the wires"
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Argentina is pushing to levy a new tax on lithium producers and make them hold back some production for national battery projects.

Governors of Argentina’s major lithium provinces — Jujuy, Salta and Catamarca — met Thursday with federal Mining Undersecretary Fernanda Avila to discuss the measures, according to a statement from Avila’s office. The quota would be discussed with each producer, rather than being a blanket policy, the office said
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Any proposals could be quickly scrapped with a change in government. Argentina will hold presidential elections on October 22. Opposition candidates Javier Milei and Patricia Bullrich, both of whom gained momentum in a primary vote last month, promise to deregulate the economy
 
It seems Mlei has still got the front running.
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The beauty of democracy, ya get to change the lunatic in charge every few years.
As distinct from all the other forms of political foolishness where your bet hope of remobing the lunatic is a coup, assassination, losing a war or complete regime change by external forces.
Mick
 
The beauty of democracy, ya get to change the lunatic in charge every few years.
As distinct from all the other forms of political foolishness where your bet hope of remobing the lunatic is a coup, assassination, losing a war or complete regime change by external forces.
Mick
works for me, Mick
 
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It seems Mlei has still got the front running.
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The beauty of democracy, ya get to change the lunatic in charge every few years.
As distinct from all the other forms of political foolishness where your bet hope of remobing the lunatic is a coup, assassination, losing a war or complete regime change by external forces.
Mick
Milei hasn't got a chance.

Taylor Swift has come out against him.


gg
 
Milei hasn't got a chance.

Taylor Swift has come out against him.


gg
Taylor Swift is one of those US entities specialising in political interference in pother countries.
There are plenty of US influencers who want Taylor Swift to run against Trump.
Mick
 
Javier wins the Argentinian presidency, Proving Musk's Law hahahaha

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BUENOS AIRES, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Argentina elected libertarian outsider Javier Milei as its new president on Sunday, rolling the dice on an outsider with radical views to fix an economy battered by triple-digit inflation, a looming recession and rising poverty.

Official results have not been released, but his rival, Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa, conceded in a speech. His candidacy was hampered by the country's worst economic crisis in two decades while he has been at the helm.

Milei is pledging economic shock therapy. His plans include shutting the central bank, ditching the peso, and slashing spending, potentially painful reforms that resonated with voters angry at the economic malaise, but sparked fears of austerity in others.

"Milei is the new thing, he's a bit of an unknown and it is a little scary, but it's time to turn over a new page," said 31-year-old restaurant worker Cristian as he voted on Sunday.

But Milei's challenges are enormous. He will have to deal with the empty coffers of the government and central bank, a creaking $44 billion debt program with the International Monetary Fund, inflation nearing 150% and a dizzying array of capital controls.

With many Argentines not fully convinced by either candidate, some had characterized the vote as a choice of the "lesser evil": fear of Milei's painful economic medicine versus anger at Massa and his Peronist party for an economic crisis that has left Argentina deeply in debt and unable to tap global credit markets.

Milei has been particularly popular among the young, who have grown up seeing their country lurch from one crisis to another.

"Our generation is pushing the presidency of Milei to stop our country being a pariah," said Agustina Lista, 22, a student in Buenos Aires.

Milei's win shakes up Argentina's political landscape and economic roadmap, and could impact trade in grains, lithium and hydrocarbons. Milei has criticized China and Brazil, saying he won't deal with "communists," and favors stronger U.S. ties.
 
Javier wins the Argentinian presidency, Proving Musk's Law hahahaha
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BUENOS AIRES, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Argentina elected libertarian outsider Javier Milei as its new president on Sunday, rolling the dice on an outsider with radical views to fix an economy battered by triple-digit inflation, a looming recession and rising poverty.

Official results have not been released, but his rival, Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa, conceded in a speech. His candidacy was hampered by the country's worst economic crisis in two decades while he has been at the helm.

Milei is pledging economic shock therapy. His plans include shutting the central bank, ditching the peso, and slashing spending, potentially painful reforms that resonated with voters angry at the economic malaise, but sparked fears of austerity in others.

"Milei is the new thing, he's a bit of an unknown and it is a little scary, but it's time to turn over a new page," said 31-year-old restaurant worker Cristian as he voted on Sunday.

But Milei's challenges are enormous. He will have to deal with the empty coffers of the government and central bank, a creaking $44 billion debt program with the International Monetary Fund, inflation nearing 150% and a dizzying array of capital controls.

With many Argentines not fully convinced by either candidate, some had characterized the vote as a choice of the "lesser evil": fear of Milei's painful economic medicine versus anger at Massa and his Peronist party for an economic crisis that has left Argentina deeply in debt and unable to tap global credit markets.

Milei has been particularly popular among the young, who have grown up seeing their country lurch from one crisis to another.

"Our generation is pushing the presidency of Milei to stop our country being a pariah," said Agustina Lista, 22, a student in Buenos Aires.

Milei's win shakes up Argentina's political landscape and economic roadmap, and could impact trade in grains, lithium and hydrocarbons. Milei has criticized China and Brazil, saying he won't deal with "communists," and favors stronger U.S. ties.
Thanks @wayneL and @Sean K

Now this is news !!

Argentina's economy is HUGE with an outside influence on top. I will adjust my akubra accordingly and feed the hosses for when the European and US cousins awake from their biblical semitic slumbers.

Yee Haahh.

gg
 
An example of when the ponzi breaks, people are obviously sick of peddling harder and going nowhere.

How Did the Economy Get This Bad?​

Serious financial problems arose for the country in the 1980s when markets collapsed, prices rose, currency depreciated, and wealthier citizens fled to more stable countries. During this debt crisis, the government turned to the central bank for financial assistance, leading to rapid inflation because of the increasing money in circulation and decreasing interest rate for borrowing. Since this initial problem, the country has been unable to recover. With the COVID pandemic, shrinking global food supplies, and tighter energy markets, massive inflation has continued to increase in the Latin American nation.

On top of the external international pressures that have resulted in record-breaking inflation, the government has been implementing programs that it is unable to financially sustain; Argentina has deeply subsidized healthcare, energy, universities, and public transportation for its citizens, all of which the government can only afford to fund through the printing of more pesos. Accounting for all these unprecedented global problems and poorly planned government programs, prices have increased massively since 2021 with the country hitting a 90 percent inflation rate (meaning a 90% year-to-year increase in prices) at the end of 2022.

International tensions have complicated Argentina’s economic recovery even more, as foreign nations continue to withdraw their financial support in light of Argentina’s ongoing political and economic challenges. Argentina’s largest default was in 2001 when the government decided to retract close to US $93 billion in loans, causing the nation to lose access to international debt markets, and a similar default happened in 2018. When the pandemic hit in 2020, foreign investors were even more hesitant to assist a country with an unstable financial history due to economic declines in countries across the globe. Therefore, in 2021, foreign investment stood at US $4.1 billion, which is 38 percent lower than the previous year. The national debt now stands at US $382 billion as of September 2022, which amounts to nearly 90 percent of Argentina’s GDP.

Currency Exchange and USD Dominance​

The Argentine peso loses value almost daily, despite the government instituting an exchange rate that makes the currency seem more valuable than it really is. With national debt issues and growing inflation, citizens have turned towards an underground exchange rate. This “blue” market currency is often used by locals and tourists who have done their research. The unofficial currency market gives foreigners almost double the amount of pesos that the official exchange rate would give. For example, the official exchange rate equates US $1 to 140 Argentine pesos, but the “blue” market values US $1 at 290 Argentine pesos. This is beneficial for both citizens and tourists because the government has strict restrictions on exchanging and withdrawing large sums of USD from official channels such as banks. Therefore, most people avoid paying with bank cards or using ATMs and try to utilize electronic money transfer services such as Western Union or WorldRemit.

The wealthier populations are able to keep up with the inflation rates because, while rents rise at nearly 50 percent a year, so do their wages. For the richer population, inflation is manageable, but the same does not apply to lower income citizens. This is because the jobs of poor Argentinians typically do not have automatic wage increases to keep up with inflation, and they are unable to buy U.S. dollars. Consequently, the poor population is subject to an extremely small income in comparison to the wealthier population while the prices for every type of good and service increases around them. As of 2020, 40 percent of Argentina’s population lives below the national poverty line. 70 percent of children in the area surrounding Buenos Aires live below the poverty line. With pesos' value falling so rapidly, poorer people are unable to afford food and goods. Many suburbs across the nation have turned towards “trueque” clubs where people, most of whom are women, exchange goods and food for other necessities. These clubs are bartering centers where citizens may obtain any necessities they are unable to afford by means of real currency. With financial situations becoming this severe, citizens are seriously debating which political party will be able to pull them out of the worsening economic crisis.

Political Parties and Polarization​

The leading coalitions in the nation are Frente de Todos and Juntos por el Cambio. Frente de Todos is a populist-leftist alliance that encompasses the Peronist perspective on government, meaning they advocate for social justice, political sovereignty, and economic independence. Under this unique ideology, the party does not align with the economic stances of capitalism or communism, but, rather, takes a more populist approach that advocates for the working class. The state advocates for working citizens by taking on the role as the negotiator in times of conflict between management and workers. Therefore, the main supporters consist of those who are in labor intensive jobs and in the poorest socioeconomic standing relative to other citizens. This coalition upholds the main ideals of Peronism and is currently in control of the presidency, with both President Alberto Fernández and Vice President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (no relation) being proud members. While in office, the presidential administration has increased taxes on exports and high-income households, lowered interest rates, and raised the minimum wage.
The opposing party, Juntos por el Cambio, functions as a liberal-conservative alliance that was established by the UCR (Radical Civil Union) party and the PRO (Republican Proposal) party. This centrist progressive party is in favor of limited spending to reduce the national debt, judicial system reform, and promotion of human rights. This coalition has won the presidency nearly ten times over the past 100 years, including electing President Mauricio Macri in 2015, but it has not held the executive office since then. Despite their absence in the presidential office, the coalition currently holds the congressional majority.

With the growing economic issues in the country, there has also been an increase in political polarization.

Throughout the nation's history all three of these concerns have plagued the government. Every attempt at change in the government and their economic standing has left voters discontent in the past. Leading up to the previous election in 2019, almost two thirds of the population had reported dissatisfaction with the nation's democracy, which has been a common trend since 1983. However, the consensus that change in government has dissatisfied voters in the past may not apply to the upcoming election. Since nearly 75 percent of citizens believe that anyone except the incumbent government could do a better job, this election may be the first time in decades that the Argentine population is satisfied with a change in government control.

In the eyes of Peronists, ensuring that a large change doesn't happen at the end of this year seems to be the most feasible way to prevent problems from worsening. Some citizens are starting to believe that a familiar political force may be needed to solve this crisis, despite them being at the forefront of the current economic situation and instigators of political tension. On the other hand, supporters of Juntos Por el Cambio believe that a change in government is the only way to combat this economic crisis. With large divisions among the nation on who to support, the upcoming election will ultimately answer which coalition the nation believes can save their economy.
 
OMG I must brush up on my Spanish! Even with subtitles, this is amazing :laugh:


Well as we keep saying for every action there is a reaction, the more the loony lefts push left, the more the loony rights push right.
The common person just wants to work for their dreams, the left want to right all the worlds wrongs and eventually the middle class get sick of going backwards.
Wash, rinse, repeat. The longer the wash is left, the stronger the detergent that's required to clean it. ;)
 
An example of when the ponzi breaks, people are obviously sick of peddling harder and going nowhere.

How Did the Economy Get This Bad?​

Serious financial problems arose for the country in the 1980s when markets collapsed, prices rose, currency depreciated, and wealthier citizens fled to more stable countries. During this debt crisis, the government turned to the central bank for financial assistance, leading to rapid inflation because of the increasing money in circulation and decreasing interest rate for borrowing. Since this initial problem, the country has been unable to recover. With the COVID pandemic, shrinking global food supplies, and tighter energy markets, massive inflation has continued to increase in the Latin American nation.

On top of the external international pressures that have resulted in record-breaking inflation, the government has been implementing programs that it is unable to financially sustain; Argentina has deeply subsidized healthcare, energy, universities, and public transportation for its citizens, all of which the government can only afford to fund through the printing of more pesos. Accounting for all these unprecedented global problems and poorly planned government programs, prices have increased massively since 2021 with the country hitting a 90 percent inflation rate (meaning a 90% year-to-year increase in prices) at the end of 2022.

International tensions have complicated Argentina’s economic recovery even more, as foreign nations continue to withdraw their financial support in light of Argentina’s ongoing political and economic challenges. Argentina’s largest default was in 2001 when the government decided to retract close to US $93 billion in loans, causing the nation to lose access to international debt markets, and a similar default happened in 2018. When the pandemic hit in 2020, foreign investors were even more hesitant to assist a country with an unstable financial history due to economic declines in countries across the globe. Therefore, in 2021, foreign investment stood at US $4.1 billion, which is 38 percent lower than the previous year. The national debt now stands at US $382 billion as of September 2022, which amounts to nearly 90 percent of Argentina’s GDP.

Currency Exchange and USD Dominance​

The Argentine peso loses value almost daily, despite the government instituting an exchange rate that makes the currency seem more valuable than it really is. With national debt issues and growing inflation, citizens have turned towards an underground exchange rate. This “blue” market currency is often used by locals and tourists who have done their research. The unofficial currency market gives foreigners almost double the amount of pesos that the official exchange rate would give. For example, the official exchange rate equates US $1 to 140 Argentine pesos, but the “blue” market values US $1 at 290 Argentine pesos. This is beneficial for both citizens and tourists because the government has strict restrictions on exchanging and withdrawing large sums of USD from official channels such as banks. Therefore, most people avoid paying with bank cards or using ATMs and try to utilize electronic money transfer services such as Western Union or WorldRemit.

The wealthier populations are able to keep up with the inflation rates because, while rents rise at nearly 50 percent a year, so do their wages. For the richer population, inflation is manageable, but the same does not apply to lower income citizens. This is because the jobs of poor Argentinians typically do not have automatic wage increases to keep up with inflation, and they are unable to buy U.S. dollars. Consequently, the poor population is subject to an extremely small income in comparison to the wealthier population while the prices for every type of good and service increases around them. As of 2020, 40 percent of Argentina’s population lives below the national poverty line. 70 percent of children in the area surrounding Buenos Aires live below the poverty line. With pesos' value falling so rapidly, poorer people are unable to afford food and goods. Many suburbs across the nation have turned towards “trueque” clubs where people, most of whom are women, exchange goods and food for other necessities. These clubs are bartering centers where citizens may obtain any necessities they are unable to afford by means of real currency. With financial situations becoming this severe, citizens are seriously debating which political party will be able to pull them out of the worsening economic crisis.

Political Parties and Polarization​

The leading coalitions in the nation are Frente de Todos and Juntos por el Cambio. Frente de Todos is a populist-leftist alliance that encompasses the Peronist perspective on government, meaning they advocate for social justice, political sovereignty, and economic independence. Under this unique ideology, the party does not align with the economic stances of capitalism or communism, but, rather, takes a more populist approach that advocates for the working class. The state advocates for working citizens by taking on the role as the negotiator in times of conflict between management and workers. Therefore, the main supporters consist of those who are in labor intensive jobs and in the poorest socioeconomic standing relative to other citizens. This coalition upholds the main ideals of Peronism and is currently in control of the presidency, with both President Alberto Fernández and Vice President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (no relation) being proud members. While in office, the presidential administration has increased taxes on exports and high-income households, lowered interest rates, and raised the minimum wage.
The opposing party, Juntos por el Cambio, functions as a liberal-conservative alliance that was established by the UCR (Radical Civil Union) party and the PRO (Republican Proposal) party. This centrist progressive party is in favor of limited spending to reduce the national debt, judicial system reform, and promotion of human rights. This coalition has won the presidency nearly ten times over the past 100 years, including electing President Mauricio Macri in 2015, but it has not held the executive office since then. Despite their absence in the presidential office, the coalition currently holds the congressional majority.

With the growing economic issues in the country, there has also been an increase in political polarization.

Throughout the nation's history all three of these concerns have plagued the government. Every attempt at change in the government and their economic standing has left voters discontent in the past. Leading up to the previous election in 2019, almost two thirds of the population had reported dissatisfaction with the nation's democracy, which has been a common trend since 1983. However, the consensus that change in government has dissatisfied voters in the past may not apply to the upcoming election. Since nearly 75 percent of citizens believe that anyone except the incumbent government could do a better job, this election may be the first time in decades that the Argentine population is satisfied with a change in government control.

In the eyes of Peronists, ensuring that a large change doesn't happen at the end of this year seems to be the most feasible way to prevent problems from worsening. Some citizens are starting to believe that a familiar political force may be needed to solve this crisis, despite them being at the forefront of the current economic situation and instigators of political tension. On the other hand, supporters of Juntos Por el Cambio believe that a change in government is the only way to combat this economic crisis. With large divisions among the nation on who to support, the upcoming election will ultimately answer which coalition the nation believes can save their economy.
The funny thing with Argentina:
People giving Argentinians lessons on economy, as their debt reached 90% of the GDP..ohhh the bad boys..girls...
Remain me what is the official so biased debt to. GDP ration for the USA, France just to name some countries I know the answers for.
The newly elected president will face a hard backlash from the IMF and wef swamps I am sure.
Good luck on him and for the country!🤞
 
The funny thing with Argentina:
People giving Argentinians lessons on economy, as their debt reached 90% of the GDP..ohhh the bad boys..girls...
Remain me what is the official so biased debt to. GDP ration for the USA, France just to name some countries I know the answers for.
The newly elected president will face a hard backlash from the IMF and wef swamps I am sure.
Good luck on him and for the country!🤞
To help with answers : usa 110%and France in the 100%, Canada same as Argentina in the 90% whereas we are at 45% so far..
Clear difference between a Trudeau son of WEF and our own politicians.
The champion being Japan at 240%
Very few countries even worst **** holes in 3rd world are worse than the USA, and nowhere worse than japan
 
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