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The announcement read pretty much the way I expected and the market reacted in a similarly predictable fashion. The announcement obviously rattled some holders in to panic selling but given the red ink across much of the market this week, I think we can consider the sp drop a reasonably mild response. The faint of heart have probably been shaken out and we can now consolidate and build in a more orderly fashion...
As Kennas and Pat rightly point out the tonnes beyond 72 million are nice to have but not terribly important at this stage. The risks with this project are the future price of rock phosphate, and the cost of getting the product to market.
On future price trends, we can all speculate about increased demand due to bio-fuels (I wouldn't want to build my retirement plans around that), many more mouths to feed (I live in China - I'm a believer), increasing meat consumption in developing countries (I eat in China - I'm a believer), diminished crop outputs due to climatic events (I'm a believer).
Against these demand factors we have to weigh up the supply side factors - mines nearing end of life (haven't heard anything on this score), brownfield expansions (proceeding like crazy, one would imagine, and will be first to market), and greenfield projects (remember when MAK was the only major undeveloped phosphate deposit in the Universe or whatever the hype was - how many are there now?).
I'm inclined to think the RP price will ease in the medium term. This will have little impact on the well funded brownfield expansions but it will put the squeeze on many of the greenfield projects. Will MAK make it? Personally, I think it all boils down to time getting the project up and running. Maybe there is room for everyone who thinks they have a bit of phosphate lying around but that would be wishful thinking. When the prices start easing, a lot of these projects will struggle for funding even if their economics turn out to be marginally better than MAK. First in, best dressed... In this respect MAK are in an enviable position. With so much data and groundwork behind them, they lead the Australian pack (with the possible exception of GCR). If they can quickly prove up a DSO resource then we will all be smiling...
Then of course there is the logistics question as posed by by TB. Part road, part rail is considerably better than the all road scenario that Rio faced. That is a positive for the project as the previous "economic above 100USD/T" comments probably reflected road transport costs. It could be argued that everyone is facing energy cost increases and therefore it is a neutral argument, however some of the brownfield expansions will no doubt be exploiting existing slurry pieplines and/or conveyor systems - we can only hope they are capacity constrained already. Once agin the brownfield developments will have the edge over greenfield. If MAK can just get this project started while RP prices are high, then they can work on proving up the other 1.9 billion tonnes to justify spending a bit of that lovely cashflow on a slurry pipeline, conveyor system or rail branch to avoid TBs trucking woes ...
I still feel very positive about MAK but time to production is critical...
...have you read the rio tinto report?...tb
I've only seen the fragments in the latest announcement. I am not sure if there is any more of the Rio report in the public domain. While it didn't provide anything much to give support to MAK's belief in higher grade DSO potential at Arruwurra, nor did it rule this possibility out. The independent Geologists report probably gives a bit more of a pointer in this respect... I will be looking forward to the drilling results - not necessarily make or break for the project but good results here would give it the fast track boost that we are looking for...
Sentiment really down on this at the moment. That ann was very good news and confirms Arawarra will be DSO (spec reading 39%), open dig, and be able to be mined close to MAKs very very short timetable. Plus, they'll be adding in tonnage with the RP under the current resource within the Main Zone. Why would you sell?
Based on the field XRF assaying, mineralised intersections can be as high as 39% P205. Marketed rock phosphate usually assays 28-32% P205 and the XRF assaying indicates that this grade is being attained in the principal target,
....The intercepts in the report(map) are combined intercepts of all the phosphate above 10%? in the hole. I would suspect that at least one or more of the holes would have section(s) of 30% plus(approx 2-3 metre wide in it)...
....The intercepts in the report(map) are combined intercepts of all the phosphate above 10%? in the hole. I would suspect that at least one or more of the holes would have section(s) of 30% plus(approx 2-3 metre wide in it)...
I'm not so sure about that. The numbers on the map look like composite grades across the mineralised interval - the interval numbers tie up with the average 5m thickness and 10 to 20m of cover statements. The grades shown on the core photos suggest the 30 - 35% numbers are spot measurements. I like the announcement but it is a bit short on data. I guess we will have to wait for lab assay data rather than the field XRF work.
Yes, I think this an important thing Champ. Would be nice if they can target the better graded area closer to surface for initial production. The ability for a straight dig will certainly reduce Opex. Still, I am personally disappointed by the overall low grades. I was hoping for high grade DSO 30% ave with 10-20m intersections. Perhaps I was dreaming.The thing that i personally like about the announcement is the fact that it doesn't matter if they achieve DSO or not because which ever way that i look at it that announcement has just added substantial value to the project with lower risks attached to it now.
Anything under 28% will have to be beneficiated to a saleable product. But what 'fertiliser' grade is I do not know. Perhaps you mean just the difference between DSO (above 28%) and lower grade stuff?Hello I have just joined Aussie Stock (thanks Joe) and this my first attempt at a post. Glad to see there are a few members punting on MAK. Can anybody tell me if they are planning to treat the ore to fertilizer grade or just ship it as it comes? Acid is hard to get and expensive just now, anybody know the difference in price between fertiliser grade and raw rocks. Have enjoyed reading all the posts on this and other stocks, high standard of comments and some wise words, certainly better and more professional than I have seen elsewhere.
Chart wise it looks like the down trend could be over with a short term double bottom at $1.75 ish, but it's tenuous. Should be good support between $1.75 ish and 1.30 ish. $2.00 formed up as considerable resistance.
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