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Advice Needed on What to Trade

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Hi all,
Been reading a bit here lately and thought I'd throw out a request for advice.

I'm currently on a break from full-time work for next couple of months (but could stretch it out to 6 months). I want to take advantage of the time I have to make some progress with trading so that when I do return to full-time work I'd already have put in some "hard yards" in trading.

First a little background....

I got into buying shares about 7 years ago (buy and hold) and cashed out in 2007 with a handy profit (I now know it was just dumb luck of being in a bull run).

I decided to try trading (ASX shares) a couple of years later with an IB account. Results were meh and I quit and closed the account.

Looking back at my experience now I realise some (most?) of my lack of success was that I was susceptible psychologically (you know the fear that comes with needing to be right). I feel I have a different mindset now (especially after doing some reflecting after reading The Disciplined Trader) and want to give trading another shot.

At first, I wanted to just dive straight in with a small account and trade on support and resistance. But I read some comments here about the importance of backtesting and expectancy and decided to put a bit more thought into it.

So I would like some advice on what I should trade. Here are some of my thoughts:
  • Want ability to go long or shot
  • Thinking FX as I could trade during after-hours after returning to work
  • Initially be starting with a very small account $5-10K (to test the waters)
  • Don't own any software or have any broker accounts ATM
  • Thinking short term trades - intra-day or a few days
  • Not sure about tax implications - e.g. does trading US shares or FX complicate things for tax returns?
  • Preference would be to trade on breakouts and pullbacks
  • I'm not a big Indicators guy, would prefer to trade on price S&R and perhaps trend line on a longer timeframe
  • Never done backtesting or system development
  • Goal is to learn trading (extra cash would be nice too) with the view to doing it full-time in a couple of years (provided I'm any good/I enjoy it)

So based on my criteria do you have any recommendations on what to trade (FX, futures, CFDs, overseas shares etc.) and broker/software to use? AmiBroker is mentioned here a lot but would signing up with certain brokers that give you access to MetaTrader 4 give you pretty much the same thing?
 
Have you thought about taking the Propex course? If you have that much time and the money then I would take thier course and find out if you're cut out to be a trader. Can't beat learning from real traders.

CanOz
 
Broker rec?

I'd consider Mirus Futures as well as Interactive. Mirus are becoming quite competitive and the data cost is waived for CME products as well.

Not willing to entertain Propex?

CanOz
 
Does IB have some sort of a backtesting feature, or do I need to get MT4 or AmiBroker for that?

Isn't MT4 a free download?
 

Does IB have some sort of a backtesting feature, or do I need to get MT4 or AmiBroker for that?

Isn't MT4 a free download?

IB is a brokerage platform only. That's why i suggested Mirus, as they support NT, free with Kinetic EOD data.

CanOz
 


IB is a brokerage platform only. That's why i suggested Mirus, as they support NT, free with Kinetic EOD data.

CanOz

Let me clarify that...Ninjatrader is free with Kinetic EOD data free as well. Mirus futures also can support the NT platofrm but Mirus is futures only.

CanOz
 
Index futures

Tech,
Been looking into this a bit more. As best I can work out one contract is:

E-mini S&P 500 $50 x 1400 = $70,000

ASX 200 Index Futures $10 x 4300 = $43,000

I don't have a big enough account to buy one contract. Have I got this right?
 
I'm done with you mate...Now i know how Tech feels...:rolleyes:
 
Tech,
Been looking into this a bit more. As best I can work out one contract is:

E-mini S&P 500 $50 x 1400 = $70,000

ASX 200 Index Futures $10 x 4300 = $43,000

I don't have a big enough account to buy one contract. Have I got this right?

Margin on the SPI is about $5k a contract
FTSE which I trade around $6k

If your under capitalized ---- forget trading and spend your time learning.
 
OK. I suspected it may be margin.

So in your example, after you put in $6k does the broker require you to put in extra cash if it starts going against your position or is this only after you close out trade (assuming losing trade)?

Also, would trading only one contract at a time in one's account be a viable strategy (at least initially)?
 
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