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ACTU Unionists Target Employers

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I’m sure all of you have seen snips of that video going around in the media of the CFMEU's recent illegal strike on a building site. I’ve been trying to find the whole thing but so far the below link is the best I could come up with, probably because the unions don’t want us seeing what they are really like.

After listening to this it will be no surprise as to why I left this union about 3-4 years ago and never looked back. After the **** I went through with them Ill never belong to a union again.... they are all tard with the same brush IMO

I suppose this is what Labor calls increasing productivity and securing jobs for working Australians like myself
Its not a good look, which is why Rudd is taking action against them but I for one seriously question if he is just doing it to limit the damage to his bid to become PM....is a vote for Labor still a vote for the Unions? Probably!

Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYVJkbnHmzE


Cheers.
 
As a strong union man myself, I've said it many times.... there are a few bad apples that undo the good that most of the union officials do quietly in the background. These few people do not represent the Unions, but unfortunately, only these ones get the media attention because they reinforce the union 'heavyweight' stereotype.
 
Even though I am a loyal liberal voter and always will be, Im am happy that labour (if they come to power) will do something about these illegal strike because in the end it helps absolutely no one.

My father works at Cadbury Schweppes in Ringwood, Vic. When the first major protect about the IR laws happened in late 2005, the company offered to fully pay 25 workers a days pay to go and protest about it in the city, but even then the union wasn't happy they wanted all factory workers on every shift to go around 800 employees in total, and that would have mean't $100,000 if not millions of dollars in lost production.

In the end it doesn't matter who comes into power, the time of the unionist movement is finshed and thank god for it.

Spartn

:viking:
 
Re: CFMEU Unionists Target Employers

Without starting a massive slanging match, there are more employees in the world than employers, and at the end of the day, sometimes the only way employees can get initiate change (ie pay issues, OHS issues) is to withdraw their labour. Yes, i agree that strikes have been used in the past for frivolous and political ends, but removing the right to strike for better conditions isn't the way things should be done. In my experience, withdrawing labour should only be used as a last resort, and there are many avenues that can be explored before it gets to that point.
 

Hi Sprinter

I have to totally disagree. The past couple of media incidents don't just involve "a few people". They have been union officials in high positions of power within their respective organisations. How can you possibly write "these people do not represent the unions"????? They are the union heavies, the powerbrokers - you ask them - they'll tell you they represent the unions alright!!! They are front and centre - whether you like it or not.

Duckman
 
must admit unfair dismissal laws sure got out of hand in the old days.
Was speaking to a mate the other day - machine shop employing about 15 blokes - he mentioned in the old days he was taken to industrial commission for $30K - the bloke finally agreed to accept $700 instead !!
except that it cost him more than $20K in legal fees - and that was to his account.

no way can that be acceptable - but then again, surely there has to be a middle road where "the blind lady holds a more level balance" than current.

Fairness test whatever - both parties seem to be heading there.
 
In the end it doesn't matter who comes into power, the time of the unionist movement is finished and thank god for it.
I'm no fan of militant unionism and used to sit on the other side of the table to them... Right b@stards they are.

But think back to why unions started and evolved. It was because workers were really being exploited. Do we want to possibly go back to those days? I think not.

There should be some reasonable balance. I've also sat on the other side to a reasonable union and things worked out just fine and to mutual satisfaction.

The demise of unions altogether would be a bad thing IMO.
 

Well said. Too much power to either employer or employee is going result in one side being screwed by the other. Balance is the key.
 

The people who represent the Unions as a whole are those who sit in the ACTU and organisations like UnionsWA. Reynolds and McDonald represent the workers in the CFMEU, no-one else. They don't represent me, and they don't represent the majority of union members. Reynolds has run for positions in UnionsWA, and was not voted in (good outcome in my mind). I agree that 'militant unionism' isn't the way of the future, and unless that culture changes, unions as a whole (and therefore employees) will loose out. But, as I'm sure you are aware, changing culture in the construction industry is like banging your head up against a brink wall. Hopefully, the recent incidents will serve as a warning, and help bring an end to 'militant unionism.'
 

They are right bastards in the construction industry.Many a job Ive seen them come to blows with employers.And have seen sites shutdown on the most stupid things.Not only that but they will lie to you to get their way.They just need to be brought out of the 80's.
 
I posted this article in another thread... its probably appropriate here too...
Its from the Australian... who are certainly not friends of the Union.

 
The problem is, is that the population has a short memory (doof doof doof) sh...oo....rrr....ttttt memory
 
Mint Man
Seen this one yet???
http://thewest.com.au/ ..
Yes thats the one I was talking about on TV, not very good picture quality though. I did have a link here directly to it but it didnt work properly.... just go there and search Joe Mcdonald if you want to see it.
I think its funny how Joe Mcdonald says to one of the guys 'you'll be working in burger king when Im finished with you' or something to that effect.... mate, your the one with the famous last name!
Im am happy that labour (if they come to power) will do something about these illegal strike because in the end it helps absolutely no one.
Ditto, but how can you be sure this will happen? Theres not much to stop them.
surely there has to be a middle road where "the blind lady holds a more level balance" than current.
Fairness test whatever - both parties seem to be heading there.
I agree but would labor deliver that?
The thing about the fairness test is that it dosn't have to involve the union's, suits me!....
If I were in a decent paying job with a union I would be scared of that. It could mean my job if people don't see the need to give the union some of their hard earned every week. No wonder they are hell bent on going against it.
Yes. Couldn't agree more, however you left one bit out... they are also bastards to employees too. dont start me.
The problem is, is that the population has a short memory (doof doof doof) sh...oo....rrr....ttttt memory
No we dont, heres proof:
The Chaser - U.S Bases Midnight Oil parody

Click Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrPGe6WO8p8

Someone once said to me that there is truth in every joke...in this case, How true is that!!

Cheers
 
This seems as good a place as any to post some key points from an advertorial in the Hire & Rental Journal (Nov 2006). This advertorial uses the term 'collective agreement' to make reference to an AWA: (Direct quotes from the journal)

*The 'collective agreement' can exclude or modify all award conditions

*The 'collective agreement' can be tailored to meet your business needs and circumvent paying penalties, allowances and shift loadings prescribed by the relevant awards

*The 'collective agreement' sets clear parameters of work and employers have a choice as to whether overtime is paid at loaded rates or at flat hourly rates

*Can be designed to exclude the payment of severance pay, allowances and penalty rates

*Inclusion of a clear notice provision to avoid claims for reasonable notice

*Employers can select additional terms in order to suit their businesses (without consultation with employees)

*Public holiday penalty rates can be excluded or modified

No mention is made of what trade-offs should be offered to the employees for the watering down of their conditions in this add.

Now, tell me where the balance is here....
 
i think that saying about short term memory should be modified to...
short term memory when it suits our point of view

that article in the Oz pretty much separates the facts from the hearsay and propaganda peddled by the libs and their supporters like mint man.

whilst at this stage, my vote is with labour, i withhold the right to change to the libs, in case labour policy is swings completely pro union!

So far, there is no reason to think that, both based on past performance by Hawke and Keating, as well as the rhethoric of the present Labor leadership group.

I don't intend to be sucked in by cunning baseless fear tactics!
 
Please explain what part of my initial post is 'propaganda'? The unions, in this case the CFMEU, put their foot in it all the time. I think alot more of this type of stuff could make the news if it were recorded or more people came forward with such material.
I would also like you to explain to me how the recent events are 'hearsay'?

I actually tried to be as fair as I could be considering my past dealings with the CFMEU.... worst $230 (yearly membership fee) I ever spent!!!!

Sprinter79 is right in saying that the CFMEU gives the unions a bad name however this type of rubbish is not limited to the CFMEU.


On a lighter note... I noticed that there are some subliminal messages in the Chasers Vid that I posted above... I managed to pause and copy them as it was bugging the **** out of me trying to read them, they flashed up way to quick to read.
here they are:

Quite clever. The last one explains it all

Cheers
 
This...


there is no evidence to suggest this is the case, to say this is to simply tow the govt line...
 
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