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sptrawler said:
The ABC will have her on Q & A and lateline, with a full audience of people who will tell her why they shouldn't.

Shame they can't get an audience, that are prepared to pull in their belt, but that wouldn't be good viewing.:D

I would recommend, putting people like Tony Jones on a normal salary, then they could really feel for the causes they support.
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Maybe if Tony Jones got an audience of "normal Australians".

You know the ones, those that pay their taxes, pay their bills, pay their childcare, pay their traffic fines, pay their electricity, pay their gas, pay their private health, put away money for their retirement.
Those that do it on a "normal wage".

It would be novel to see Tony do that, rather than have stacked audiences to controversial topics, it makes great viewing for the targeted audience.
However it seems like the main issues never get aired, and the fringe issues get a lot of tax payer funding.
I'm not saying they aren't important, but those who aren't on government handouts are just as important.IMO
 
sptrawler said:
Maybe if Tony Jones got an audience of "normal Australians".
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I tend to agree with that idea. Instead of stacking with interest groups, it would be nice to see the reaction of Joe Average; sans a burka, sans a rainbow badge, etc.
 
sptrawler said:
It would be novel to see Tony do that, rather than have stacked audiences to controversial topics, it makes great viewing for the targeted audience.
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Ah yes, well they display voting intention of the audience on the screen, and it's usually about 44% LNP, 38% Labor, 12% Greens, the rest Other.

So unless you are going to call the audience liars, how else are you going to ensure an "unstacked" audience.

As far as the Muslims I saw a few Muslims in the audience, the rest weren't, so I wouldn't say it was highly "stacked" .
 
sptrawler said:
Maybe if Tony Jones got an audience of "normal Australians".

You know the ones, those that pay their taxes, pay their bills, pay their childcare, pay their traffic fines, pay their electricity, pay their gas, pay their private health, put away money for their retirement.
Those that do it on a "normal wage".

It would be novel to see Tony do that, rather than have stacked audiences to controversial topics, it makes great viewing for the targeted audience.
However it seems like the main issues never get aired, and the fringe issues get a lot of tax payer funding.
I'm not saying they aren't important, but those who aren't on government handouts are just as important.IMO
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SP, it is all about control of the media by the Fabian indoctrinated Green/Labor left wing democratic socialists who want to spread their propaganda and at the same time do their best to discredit the Abbott Government.

Tony Jones, lies and cheats on every occasion. he manipulates the whole show from start to finish.
 
SirRumpole said:
Ah yes, well they display voting intention of the audience on the screen, and it's usually about 44% LNP, 38% Labor, 12% Greens, the rest Other.

So unless you are going to call the audience liars, how else are you going to ensure an "unstacked" audience.

As far as the Muslims I saw a few Muslims in the audience, the rest weren't, so I wouldn't say it was highly "stacked" .
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Aren't we talking about whether the program is biased or not?
The composition of the audience is just one of the components which will determine this.

You seem to be suggesting bias is determined on the stated voting intention of the audience.

We have no idea whether what they state is true, or whether they will allege they are, eg Liberal or Labor in order to be admitted according to what the producers are determining is required in terms of numbers.

Much more important when it comes to bias is the selection of the questions (no doubt just a very few are chosen from hundreds submitted each week), the bias (stated or not) of the panel members, and above all, the capacity of the facilitator to allow participants to run on or be cut off, according to his own bias.

So to suggest bias may be determined by the alleged political preference of the audience is less than realistic imo.

Jones is very smooth. He can quickly divert an answer that is not to his liking to a panelist whom he knows will fit his agenda.
 
Julia said:
Aren't we talking about whether the program is biased or not?
The composition of the audience is just one of the components which will determine this.

You seem to be suggesting bias is determined on the stated voting intention of the audience.

We have no idea whether what they state is true, or whether they will allege they are, eg Liberal or Labor in order to be admitted according to what the producers are determining is required in terms of numbers.

Much more important when it comes to bias is the selection of the questions (no doubt just a very few are chosen from hundreds submitted each week), the bias (stated or not) of the panel members, and above all, the capacity of the facilitator to allow participants to run on or be cut off, according to his own bias.

So to suggest bias may be determined by the alleged political preference of the audience is less than realistic imo.

Jones is very smooth. He can quickly divert an answer that is not to his liking to a panelist whom he knows will fit his agenda.
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Yes Julia, you hit the nail on the head.....Tony Jones is a master manipulator to suit the agenda of the Green/Labor left wing socialists.

That percentage of political voters he shows each time is a farce.....You only have to observe the applause from the audience when something goes against the Abbott Government or in favor of the Labor Party.

I am sure the majority of voters can see through Jones....only the naive would swallow his modus operandi.
 
Julia said:
Jones is very smooth. He can quickly divert an answer that is not to his liking to a panelist whom he knows will fit his agenda.
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He also has to give everyone a fair chance to answer the question, which means cutting people off if they gabble on for too long, which is something that Christopher Pyne is very good at.
 
I've heard a couple of interviews on the ABC this morning (one with Julie Bishop) where the interviewer seemed to be goading the interviewee as to why our forces haven't been involved in the fighting yet. I find that line of questioning amazing.

Surely if the situation can be resolved by the Arab states without putting our personnel and equipment at risk, that must be a good thing ? You would have to think that particular line of questioning has another agenda.
 
noco said:
Is it any wonder the ABC ratings are at an all time low......they have lost all credibility with their reporting.

They know they are biased from all the criticizem they receive and yet they still persist.

Read the comments from this link.



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...more_serious_if_abc_shows_topped_the_ratings/
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And here is the latest to digest

I have been waiting for the Fabian indoctrinated ABC to make some comment about the Labor Party having requested Treasury to do several models of increasing the GST....Not one word......And yet they criticize the Liberals for even suggesting a discussion on the matter.....It is the same old Labor Party parrot jabber.....LOOK!!!!!!! the coalition have broken another promise......It is about time the Green/Labor Party stopped acting like school kids.......but what else would expect from ex union hacks?

But what else would you expect when it is a known fact that the ABC is the propaganda arm of Green/Labor socialist left.

I cannot understand why Malcolm Turnbull has not taken some action to remind them of their charter which is taxpayer funded......Maybe Turnbull is condoning it for after all he is more a Socialist than a Liberal.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_trashing_of_the_abc/
 
Noco, do you ever actually listen to any of the in-depth current affairs that ABC Radio puts out? eg Fran Kelly's Breakfast, The World at Noon, PM?

I hear these every day and find that overall the reporting and commentary is fairly even handed.
This morning, for example, Kelly's questioning of Bill Shorten re his refusal to co-operate on the fuel excise was quite aggressive. She could not reasonably have done more to hold Labor's decision to account.

Where the ABC does show bias in a far more extreme fashion is with some of its presenters, viz particularly John Cleary on Sunday Evenings, and Tony Delroy in The Nightlife. Try to get a call in to either of these programs and the producer just hangs up on you after saying "Thanks for ringing: we'll take that as a comment". Meantime the ultra Left bias is given full reign.

Leigh Sales on 7.30 seems objective and fair enough to me.

Perhaps it's just possible that unless any presenter is as one-eyed and blinkered as Andrew Bolt, you consider them to be biased toward the Left.
 
Julia said:
Noco, do you ever actually listen to any of the in-depth current affairs that ABC Radio puts out? eg Fran Kelly's Breakfast, The World at Noon, PM?

I hear these every day and find that overall the reporting and commentary is fairly even handed.
This morning, for example, Kelly's questioning of Bill Shorten re his refusal to co-operate on the fuel excise was quite aggressive. She could not reasonably have done more to hold Labor's decision to account.

Where the ABC does show bias in a far more extreme fashion is with some of its presenters, viz particularly John Cleary on Sunday Evenings, and Tony Delroy in The Nightlife. Try to get a call in to either of these programs and the producer just hangs up on you after saying "Thanks for ringing: we'll take that as a comment". Meantime the ultra Left bias is given full reign.

Leigh Sales on 7.30 seems objective and fair enough to me.

Perhaps it's just possible that unless any presenter is as one-eyed and blinkered as Andrew Bolt, you consider them to be biased toward the Left.
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Yes Julia, I must confess Fran Kelly can be fairly even handed at times but I have not found John Cleary and Tony Delroy to be biased and I listen to both of these gents regularly.

As we all know, Tony Jones and Barrie Cassidy with their stacked left panel will rip it into the Coalition at every opportunity than can.

Whist Andrew Bolt is anti socialist, I have on occasions heard Bolt criticize the Coalition on the PPL in particular of which yours truly is opposed to also.

Nevertheless, one cannot detract from the fact that the ABC is the propaganda arm of the Green/Labor Party and they will use it to their full advantage.
 
The G20 is a forum for international leaders to discuss finances and economics.

That apparently went right over the heads of Barrie Cassidy and his loyal team today on "Insiders" where the focus was 99% on climate change, despite this having its very own forum in Paris next year (I think).

I didn't hear a single comment about the practice of companies who make their money in one country being required not to evade tax in that country in favour of setting up in such as the Caymans. Or a single comment about how the high unemployment rate will be addressed by various countries. Or exactly how the predicted 2.1% growth will be achieved. Just nothing at all.

What was not actually about climate change was gleeful celebration of how the boot was put in to Putin by most of the leaders, and by Obama to Tony Abbott on climate change.

It's about time Malcolm Turnbull took his p/f seriously and did something about the exponentially growing arrogance of the ABC and its determination to prosecute its own Left agenda.
 
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