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New Ltd more to your liking?
Read more: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/natio...up/story-fnii5yv4-1226726700700#ixzz2frnn0txc
Seriously, the way some of you guys tilt at windmills...
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New Ltd more to your liking?
Read more: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/natio...up/story-fnii5yv4-1226726700700#ixzz2frnn0txc
Seriously, the way some of you guys tilt at windmills...
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Yes,
Not because it is biased the other way, but because it doesn't pretend not to be biased. It's a bit like the American commercial networks, biased as hell, but you know what flavour you're getting. They don't pretend to be anything but.
The sanctimonious, pious, purulent and putrid clowns at Pravda, purport to be unbiased. This is intellectual bankruptcy of the highest order.
Even Don Quixote would see the bias.
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I could say I'm a bit bemused at this thread discussion... but I'm not!
“If one harbors anywhere in one's mind a nationalistic loyalty or hatred, certain facts, though in a sense known to be true, are inadmissable.”
― George Orwell
...to be continued.
“If one harbors anywhere in one's mind a nationalistic loyalty or hatred, certain facts, though in a sense known to be true, are inadmissable.”
― George Orwell
...to be continued.
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Do you have any thoughts of your own whiskers? I'd sure like to hear them - maybe, if not laced with haughty sermonizing and astonishing hypocrisy - rather than all these airy fairy quotations.
Quotations are fine, used sparingly, but FFS!
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If I don't like what News Limited says I don't have to buy it. I pay for the ABC whether I like it or not, therefore I expect it to be unbiased not peddling an agenda.
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I did literally have a thought, which caused me to say. "I could say I'm a bit bemused at this thread discussion... but I'm not!"
Yes,
Not because it is biased the other way, but because it doesn't pretend not to be biased. It's a bit like the American commercial networks, biased as hell, but you know what flavour you're getting. They don't pretend to be anything but.
The sanctimonious, pious, purulent and putrid clowns at Pravda, purport to be unbiased. This is intellectual bankruptcy of the highest order.
Even Don Quixote would see the bias.
Think about it!
“It is only about things that do not interest one, that one can give a really unbiassed opinion; and this is no doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always valueless.”
― Oscar Wilde
“You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by your anger.”
― Gautama Buddha
... to be continued.
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Whiskers,
Using quotations is nothing more than a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority. I'm sure I could find some dead guy's quotations to argue with your dead guy's quotations. But context is everything and without examining the same, those word are nothing more than waffle. We can find contradictory quotations of the same scriptures being used to wage war even.
Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce
As such, a logical fallacy is... fallacious. So though Oscar, Mahatma et al may have had valid situations in which their utterances may have been apt, they are not for current Australian political debate.
If I may indulge in some excessive quotationism myself, your own Oscar Wilde said "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
To heavily borrow from Joseph Roux, A fine quotation is a diamond in the hand of a man of wit and a pebble in the hand of a fool, their worth evident by how they are cast about.
Using quotations is nothing more than a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority. I'm sure I could find some dead guy's quotations to argue with your dead guy's quotations. But context is everything and without examining the same, those word are nothing more than waffle. We can find contradictory quotations of the same scriptures being used to wage war even.
Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce
As such, a logical fallacy is... fallacious. So though Oscar, Mahatma et al may have had valid situations in which their utterances may have been apt, they are not for current Australian political debate.
If I may indulge in some excessive quotationism myself, your own Oscar Wilde said "Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation."
To heavily borrow from Joseph Roux, A fine quotation is a diamond in the hand of a man of wit and a pebble in the hand of a fool, their worth evident by how they are cast about.
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... to be continued.
Another apt quotation; "Does this guy ever shut up?"
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Well, let's consider this in the context of what I said!
Are you not complaining, even getting pretty annoyed, that the abc is biased?
Everyone is biased. There is no escaping that because we are all a product of our experiences and beliefs. Is that not a fact?
So, by definition any organisation or more particularly a programme on abc is biased by the people who produce it. I like their Landline which is biased to the rural sector, arguably the Nationals. They produce a gardening programme that arguably is biased to greens. Their 'The Business' programme is liked by myself and liberal people I know, their 4 Corners programme is generally regarded as quality investigative current affairs programme as is the many scientific and children programs of their production and others.
What are you suggesting... that they and tv generally display another program classification identifying its political bias? Maybe all programs should display a warning like indigenous people request for the deceased and some customary practices... warning this program might be seen as biased by some people.
Is it not more important to detach yourself emotionally from the bias of the presenter or program to work with the content?
I don't see any significant political complaints of bias, or more significantly demands for censuring anyone. Correct me there if I'm wrong. Rather, a competent politician faces bias everywhere, everyday and his/her job is to sway peoples bias to his/her bias.
So, is the issue really about bias or more that you (and some others comments) simply have a strong emotional disposition to people from opposing experiences?
"Our emotional disposition is the tendency towards the type of experience we have."
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Now these dudes tend to work well with the content...
...but none-the-less emotional attachment to an opposing idea, bias, tending to more sarcastic denigration of the messenger... a degree of contempt for opposing bias...:
... and this dudes touch of dark humour points to the relative bias of friendship in times of trouble.
...but none-the-less emotional attachment to an opposing idea, bias, tending to more sarcastic denigration of the messenger... a degree of contempt for opposing bias...
:... and this dudes touch of dark humour points to the relative bias of friendship in times of trouble.
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The simple suggestion is that the national broadcaster should be apolitical, whereas, as the title of this thread suggests, the ABC is political.
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Hmm actually Pyne is looking at capping but its actually a trojan horse for stripping funds out of uni's stay tuned another broken non core promise coming up.
ABC report facts not three worded slogans get use to it folks.
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So to clarify apolitical... are you suggesting that the abc should be not involved or interested in politics to avoid the political bias you fret about?
... or that they should be politically neutral; without political attitudes, content, or bias?
Given as previously explained and not countered, bias is inherent in our human experience, that which makes us all individual. If we all had the same experience, thus bias, we'd all be the same... a clone.
Hence an unbiased opinion is always valueless and consequently inadmissible.
So, does it not get back to the notion of playing the ball rather than the person. That under-arm incident, that kiwi batsman's error in paying too much attention to the bowler, than watching the ball and doing what you need to do with the ball.
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I think some form of capping is required, having a system whereby everyone gets to the top, regardless of ability is stupid.
All that has happened is our education system has fallen to the lowest common denominator.
Labor legislating that make kids stay in school to year 12, has only resulted in a bottleneck of angry, frustrated 17yr olds.
They are expected to recieve 1st year apprentice wages, a first year electrical apprentice earns $274/wk.
The alternative is to stay at school, stay at home and go to Uni. lol
This social engineering project needs shutting down.
The system in place years ago worked well, why not return to the education principles of yester year. Oh sorry that wouldn't be politically correct, in todays world.
In todays world everyone is equal, untill you hit the jobs market, then all the smart ones get jobs.
The rest are left to wallow around in no mans land at 20 years old.
And those that find difficulty in getting the job they've spent years at uni training for (or not) often wallow around with a HECS debt that never gets fully repaid.
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Another appalling interview this morning on ABC NewsRadio with a spokesperson to the Indonesian PM. When the spokesperson said she hadn't details of the policy but could foresee problems if the Australian Navy entered uninvited into Indonesian waters, the interviewer, completely ignoring the fact that Abbott/Bishop had clearly said that our navy will not encroach on Indonesian sovereign waters under its tow back the boats policy, pressed questions on possible conflict if that happened. At no time did the interviewer indicate that that was not Australia's policy, but kept trying to elicit responses that suggested potential for conflict, even though the spokesperson was careful to qualify the circumstances under which that would happen.
A few minutes later in their next cycle of news, they didn't broadcast the interview, but instead claimed that the spokesperson had suggested conflict was possible if Abbott/Bishop pursued their boat people policy, without making reference to the context within which that was said.
A few minutes later in their next cycle of news, they didn't broadcast the interview, but instead claimed that the spokesperson had suggested conflict was possible if Abbott/Bishop pursued their boat people policy, without making reference to the context within which that was said.
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Yes as expected the ABC is trying to kick more goals for Labor . They are beating this issue to death , also today they have given Chris Bowen another 30 minutes of air time to rave on and on . If you watched ABC News 24 and didn't know any different you'd think Labor was still in power. If that's not enough they have to use up more air time for another Labor Leaders debate. Then comes out the Climate Change news and programs that seemed to have increased ten fold since the election. When Labor lost the election they said they would not be drawn into the 24/7 News cycle like previously. Well that lasted 2 days , and it's business as usual thanks to the ABC. Someone should tell Shorten and Bowen to shut up .
Also I can't wait for the ABC Anne Summers Interview with Gillard, that will take the cake . Again the ABC in relation to this interview is showing selected clips of the famous misogyny speech , it is clearly just another chance for the ABC to take a free shot at Abbott.
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My contacts at a high level in Government tell me that the ABC is a dead parrot.
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Agree, and sums it up.
Time to rattle a few cages in these sheltered workshops of the Left. Do it early in the term.
54% of voters supported the conservatives earlier in the month. That's the balance now required from the national broadcaster.