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springhill said:
Tony jumped in the line of that last bullet for Tanya didn't he? That was the kill shot right there.

Spohie M "If Julia Gillard's record was so good why did you get rid of her.....?"

Tony J "OK, we will leave that rhetorical ......."

That question was not rhetorical, Tony. How pathetically gutless to shield Plibersek from a straight up question.
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I thought the same thing. Tony Jones just didn't want a bar of it. Like Kevin Rudd, he wants to forget the past.

With the above in mind, the last bit of the show is well worth listening to. Sophie throws his own line back at him.

 
Leigh Sales tonight tried to get under Joe Hockey's skin. She more that met her match. Joe can handle nasty interviewers much better than Abbott.
 
drsmith said:
Leigh's been backing off a bit in recent times.
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That has been my observation also. Starting with the very gentle chat with Anthony Albanese last night.

Re tonight, my sense at the end of the interview with Joe Hockey was that he really hadn't advanced the case for the Coalition much at all.
Perhaps my expectations are too high, but I couldn't help comparing his performance with the Peter Costello of yesteryear.
 
I was reading about the failed Aus aid reforestation of peat land in Indonesia today on the ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-...id-reforestation-program-in-indonesia/4794554

When reading it the only mention of any political party is the Libs in 2007, then the rest of the article talks about its demise.
It even says in the fourth last paragraph we were the second largest funder in 2008 - 2009.
Yet not once did they mention Labor implemented and controlled it for it from 2008 - 2013, funny that.
 
Julia said:
Re tonight, my sense at the end of the interview with Joe Hockey was that he really hadn't advanced the case for the Coalition much at all.
Perhaps my expectations are too high, but I couldn't help comparing his performance with the Peter Costello of yesteryear.
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I didn't find it inspirational by any means, but I think the Coalition want to see the colour of Kevin Rudd's money before engaging in economic policy debate which in my view is the right choice.

Peter Costello can articulate a point far better than Joe Hockey. What's annoying about Pete is that he can be condescending about how he does it and in particular, that smirk.
 
drsmith said:
I didn't find it inspirational by any means, but I think the Coalition want to see the colour of Kevin Rudd's money before engaging in economic policy debate which in my view is the right choice.

Peter Costello can articulate a point far better than Joe Hockey. What's annoying about Pete is that he can be condescending about how he does it and in particular, that smirk.
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The difference is that Hockey has backbone. Costello was master of the smarta*se smirking reply, but lacked the guts to challenge Howard, thus ensuring six wasted years of Labor mismanagement.
 
Calliope said:
The difference is that Hockey has backbone. Costello was master of the smarta*se smirking reply, but lacked the guts to challenge Howard, thus ensuring six wasted years of Labor mismanagement.
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I look at the leadership transition failure in the last term of the Howard government as one of failing to work out that transition amicably. This is a failure of both John Howard and Peter Costello.

Pete's problem was that he considered himself ordained for the role of PM. He clearly wasn't interested in the hard yards of Opposition Leader after the 2007 election. This is where he seriously let down the party.
 
drsmith said:
I look at the leadership transition failure in the last term of the Howard government as one of failing to work out that transition amicably. This is a failure of both John Howard and Peter Costello.

Pete's problem was that he considered himself ordained for the role of PM. He clearly wasn't interested in the hard yards of Opposition Leader after the 2007 election. This is where he seriously let down the party.
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He let down more than just the party, mate. How many voters did they lose over that fiasco? The memory of that weakness is likely still hurting the Coalition voter base.
 
drsmith said:
I look at the leadership transition failure in the last term of the Howard government as one of failing to work out that transition amicably. This is a failure of both John Howard and Peter Costello.

Pete's problem was that he considered himself ordained for the role of PM. He clearly wasn't interested in the hard yards of Opposition Leader after the 2007 election. This is where he seriously let down the party.
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+100
You hit the nail on the head there doc, perfect analysis.
 
Aussiejeff said:
He let down more than just the party, mate. How many voters did they lose over that fiasco? The memory of that weakness is likely still hurting the Coalition voter base.
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I don't disagree with that.

Had they been fiscally responsible in their final term (thus limiting the need for the RBA to raise interest rates) and had an orderly leadership transition, they would still be in office today.
 
Calliope said:
Did you notice that in that interview Rudd made a reference to "the election towards the end of the year".
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I haven't yet seen the actual interview.

I'll be particularly interested in how Leigh's style compares with Joe Hockey from last night.

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Well, that's 13 and a half minutes of my life I won't get back and I do note the end-of-the-year comment in relation to the election.
 
drsmith said:
I haven't yet seen the actual interview.

I'll be particularly interested in how Leigh's style compares with Joe Hockey from last night.
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The tone of the Hockey and Rudd interviews was similar imo. I felt Sales was off her game somehow, as though maybe she's not well.
Tonight she let Rudd ramble on and her interjections of attempting to bring him back to her question seemed half hearted.

Seeing Rudd again in the position of PM, and hearing every day his patronising, supercilious, egocentric assurances is quite dreadful. The idea that he is by god knows what means convincing the electorate that he's the saviour is much worse.
 
Julia said:
The tone of the Hockey and Rudd interviews was similar imo. I felt Sales was off her game somehow, as though maybe she's not well.
Tonight she let Rudd ramble on and her interjections of attempting to bring him back to her question seemed half hearted.

Seeing Rudd again in the position of PM, and hearing every day his patronising, supercilious, egocentric assurances is quite dreadful. The idea that he is by god knows what means convincing the electorate that he's the saviour is much worse.
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The plebs they poll, don't watch ABC.
They should give him a guest appearance on 'home and away' then you would see some poll action.lol
Also he couldn't pass up the opportunity, to be on 'home and away'. Jeez is there any wonder we have a border protection problem?
The rest of the world must be saying "go to Australia, it's run by idiots and if you get there, you qualify for welfare".
Roll up Roll up, everyones a winner, except the locals, but who gives a $hit about them.:D
 
The ABC never leaves anyone in any doubt on where they stand on the asylum seeker debate (exhibit A: Leigh Sales interview of Kevin Rudd).
 
Julia said:
The tone of the Hockey and Rudd interviews was similar imo. I felt Sales was off her game somehow, as though maybe she's not well.
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Funny you should say that, I said that just a little while ago, I hope she's ok.
 
In that interview last night, as hard as he tried, Kevin Rudd couldn't help himself from smirking just a little when asked about revenge.

I don't think it will take much to get under his skin, so it will be interesting to see what happens when the cracks start to appear. Leigh could have definitely pushed harder to some of his responses.

The Messiah of course is never wrong :rolleyes: with the classic case being the issue of border protection. He argues the present outcome is the electorate's fault because in 2007 he was given a mandate to unwind the Howard government's policies.

As noted yesterday, one thing he does set out clearly is the election timing. The end of the year in his view.

KEVIN RUDD: Well the bottom line is, Leigh, when we got to the events of last week, I did not bring on this challenge; Julia Gillard decided to call a leadership ballot; and secondly, she then vacated the leadership. And it was invited for all to put their hand up and to nominate, and I did that. And the second is this - the second point's really important. As we get close to the election at the end of the year, the bottom line is pretty transparent to us all. The Australian Labor Party and the Government was on track towards a catastrophic defeat and I wasn't about to stand idly by and see everything we've worked for or the last five or six years go down the gurgle as Mr Abbott set about ripping it apart. They are the essential two reasons and I s'pose there's one other reason: I think at this stage we need to bring forth some new policies as well.
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http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3795447.htm

My bolds.
 
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