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Calliope said:
All is shows is the leftist bias of The Drum readership... and their ignorance.:rolleyes:
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When a party is elected that you disagree with generally, do you simply think to yourself that the electorate is biased? Or are you able to separate disagreement from a perception of bias?
 
Calliope said:
All is shows is the leftist bias of The Drum readership... and their ignorance.:rolleyes:
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I think you guys should stop tilting at windmills.

We all know that the only thing us pinko poofter communist types read is the conversation, these days.

Can't even get your target correct.
 
Calliope said:
No. Do you?

Yes. Can you?
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No and Yes respectively but your responses are difficult to correlate with your observation about the ABC online poll, namely:

Calliope said:
All is shows is the leftist bias of The Drum readership... and their ignorance.:rolleyes:
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It is this labelling of groups as holding a "leftist bias" attribute based on the responses to an issue that highlights the difficulty that people should be aware of when assessing claims of bias in a wider context. Setting aside for the moment sample size, validity of online polling, margins of error, etc., if a similar figure within the wider community believe what is asked in that poll then in fact it is representative of that understanding, be that right or wrong, congruent or not with your opinion. That you disagree or believe that people are wrong would seem to factor into your assessments and thus unfounded accusations of bias.

Currently 61%. Last poll I saw from nearly 12 months ago was similar.

AFR said:
Today’s Essential poll shows 53 per cent of voters believe it’s likely Mr Abbott would resurrect the Howard government laws, despite him saying they were “dead, buried and cremated”.
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We could now bring in issues such as sample size, validity of online polling, margins of error, etc.?

And did you end up reading the analysis about media slant? It's an interesting read for those with a genuine interest in the topic.
 
Some Dude said:
The day real science and analysis didn't support their world view.
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Oh my! Specks and logs immediatly come to mind.

I haven't seen a jot of evidence that you have even the remotest understanding of these two concepts.
 
chops_a_must said:
I think you guys should stop tilting at windmills.
We all know that the only thing us pinko poofter communist types read is the conversation, these days.
Can't even get your target correct.
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Bit hard Chops. Calliope was correct to tilt at the Climate Change windmill, and the ALP Surplus windmill. Conservative thought has moved on from your so 1970s.. "..pinko poofter communist.." sloganeering.

I recall the recent 38 minutes footage of Tony Abbott in lively discussion with his gay and beloved sister. An Inconvenient Truth for the Left.
 
Some Dude said:
What is wrong with the available responses?
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The available options do not give the opportunity to say NO they will not re introduce Work Choices, all available options leave doubt.

Likely
Unlikely and
Unsure

are all choices which leave the possibility open.

As all Labor dickheads are always harping on about this as a scare campaign where it's been made perfectly clear over time that it's NOT a possibility I object to the public funded ABC playing that game.
 
Some Dude said:
No and Yes respectively but your responses are difficult to correlate with your observation about the ABC online poll, namely:



It is this labelling of groups as holding a "leftist bias" attribute based on the responses to an issue that highlights the difficulty that people should be aware of when assessing claims of bias in a wider context. sample size, validity of online polling, margins of error, etc., if a similar figure within the wider community. Setting aside for the moment believe what is asked in that poll then in fact it is representative of that understanding, be that right or wrong, congruent or not with your opinion. That you disagree or believe that people are wrong would seem to factor into your assessments and thus unfounded accusations of bias.

Currently 61%. Last poll I saw from nearly 12 months ago was similar.



We could now bring in issues such as sample size, validity of online polling, margins of error, etc.?

And did you end up reading the analysis about media slant? It's an interesting read for those with a genuine interest in the topic.
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Who cares? You stick with your biases and I'll stick with mine.:D I'm sure nobody else gives a stuff. :bad:
 
Calliope said:
Who cares? You stick with your biases and I'll stick with mine.:D I'm sure nobody else gives a stuff. :bad:
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Well, that is just it. Discussing these things with people you disagree with and trying to identify how we ascertain how we determine what we believe is true or not only on these matters is something that one would discuss if you care whether what you believe and communicate to others is true or not. By all means, continue as you wish. As will I :)
 
MrBurns said:
The available options do not give the opportunity to say NO they will not re introduce Work Choices, all available options leave doubt.

Likely
Unlikely and
Unsure

are all choices which leave the possibility open.

As all Labor dickheads are always harping on about this as a scare campaign where it's been made perfectly clear over time that it's NOT a possibility I object to the public funded ABC playing that game.
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So, you're saying there is absolute no doubt about these matters?
 
FlyingFox said:
This should be fun ... (pulls up armchair ...)
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Don't get comfy. It has been my experience here that the vast majority of people are not the slightest bit interested in whether what they believe is true or not.

For the cliche lovers, virtue never tested is no virtue at all.
 
MrBurns said:
The available options do not give the opportunity to say NO they will not re introduce Work Choices, all available options leave doubt.

Likely
Unlikely and
Unsure

are all choices which leave the possibility open.

As all Labor dickheads are always harping on about this as a scare campaign where it's been made perfectly clear over time that it's NOT a possibility I object to the public funded ABC playing that game.
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That survey is balanced. They have left out yes as well. The fewer option you have, the more likely you are to get statistically significant result from you sampling of a limited population.

e.g If they are given 3 options, you might only need 1000 respondents to say something about trends.
If there are 5 options, you will need 2,500 respondents to say something meaningful about trends etc.

BTW what are your thoughts about the ABC when over the period of time that the Howard government was in power?
 
chops_a_must said:
So, you're saying there is absolute no doubt about these matters?
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As it's been denied for years I would say NO.

That question is about as legitimate as -

Will Julia Gillard continue to tell lies ?

Likely
Unlikely
Not sure

each answer indicates it might happen.
 
I just voted on the Age website for the best footballer of the last AFL round -each week the player nominated as BOG for each of the eight games is put up for voting.
I voted for Rory Sloane as I know he was the most worthy.How come some Victorian nominee always get the most votes?Usally ,if they win, a Collingwood nominee.
I am sure there is no bias involved from Collingwood supporters or from me,as a Crows supporter.I do not understand these online polls.
 
FlyingFox said:
That survey is balanced. They have left out yes as well. The fewer option you have, the more likely you are to get statistically significant result from you sampling of a limited population.
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Likely is a good as "yes"

BTW what are your thoughts about the ABC when over the period of time that the Howard government was in power?
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Don't really recall, was busy with other things , the only time we focus on them is when their bias shows beyond reasonable doubt....like now.
 
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