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[rumpole]

Rumpole,

Out of interest see this thread, not many here actually on the right - https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6574&highlight=political+compass

I came out at -6.1 -0.5 . I suppose that's a bit further left than I thought I would be.

I might need to go on a few business courses.

 

[Julia]

I must say I'm surprised that a former Liberal Party hack by the name of Mark Scott who happens to be in charge of the ABC has received such scathing criticism from such a right wing blog site as this.

You have been here for about a minute and a half.
I wonder how many of the thousands of threads on the site you've read all the way through?
I have belonged to ASF since around 2004 and even now would have absolutely no idea of the political leanings of Joe, the owner.

Has he let the side down ? Is he not giving enough time to Clive Palmer or Gina Rinehart ?

The ABC has given plenty of time to both, Clive Palmer especially. Whether this time has been balanced in content is something I won't comment on.

I'm happy to restate my view that - at least as far as ABC Radio is concerned - their program changes for this year are woeful.
How that makes me or anyone else with a similar view 'right wing' , or how it implies a right leaning affiliation by the site owner, is somewhat beyond me.

 

[rumpole]

You have been here for about a minute and a half.
I wonder how many of the thousands of threads on the site you've read all the way through?
I have belonged to ASF since around 2004 and even now would have absolutely no idea of the political leanings of Joe, the owner.


The ABC has given plenty of time to both, Clive Palmer especially. Whether this time has been balanced in content is something I won't comment on.

I'm happy to restate my view that - at least as far as ABC Radio is concerned - their program changes for this year are woeful.
How that makes me or anyone else with a similar view 'right wing' , or how it implies a right leaning affiliation by the site owner, is somewhat beyond me.

Oh chill out Julia, perhaps I should have put a tongue in cheek sign or a wink against my first post like this

It wasn't the site owner I was referring to, just the overall balance of the posters from what I've seen so far. I'm happy to be proven wrong by some enthusiastic support of the carbon or mining taxes

 

[So_Cynical]

Oh chill out Julia, perhaps I should have put a tongue in cheek sign or a wink against my first post like this

It wasn't the site owner I was referring to, just the overall balance of the posters from what I've seen so far. I'm happy to be proven wrong by some enthusiastic support of the carbon or mining taxes

The Balance of posters on this forum is heavily tilted to the right, as you have already observed...any voice of sense and reason here will be quickly overwhelmed by what i call the ASF right.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Good oh then

Dear Horace,

tis pure curtsy to reply to posts in reply.

gg

 

[Logique]

The ABC forumers diaspora are going to make life interesting. But rest assured, you are welcome, you will not be unreasonably inquired into, nor excessively regulated, nor termed "Hate Posters". Neither will Senator Conroy be posting to advise which footy games in his wisdom, he will make available for you to watch on the weekend.

That was a great thread Wayne: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6574&highlight=political+compass, looking back, GG occupied a sparse domain within it. Curious also that Nelson Mandela appeared to the left of Robert Mugabe, whose authoritarian tendencies Sen Conroy has doubtless noted.

As for myself, I did end up to the right on Wayne's chart, somewhere near Angela Merkel. I have placed myself under immediate house arrest, pending judicial review. But that's OK, as it will allow me to watch the QLD election results, with a bottle on ice, just in case QLD Labor are defeated.

 

[wayneL]

The Balance of posters on this forum is heavily tilted to the right, as you have already observed...any voice of sense and reason here will be quickly overwhelmed by what i call the ASF right.

SC anyone the right of Lenin himself you would label as 'extreme right'.

 

[wayneL]

I'm happy to be proven wrong by some enthusiastic support of the carbon or mining taxes

This is what disturbs be about tribal political thought. Being 'left wing' does not automatically mean one supports such taxes.

The carbon tax for eg does not make any sense from the viewpoint of anyone 'cept misanthropic Greens... and certainly not for the purported purpose of reducing co2 emissions.

 

[rumpole]

This is what disturbs be about tribal political thought. Being 'left wing' does not automatically mean one supports such taxes.

The carbon tax for eg does not make any sense from the viewpoint of anyone 'cept misanthropic Greens... and certainly not for the purported purpose of reducing co2 emissions.

As far as the carbon tax goes, I support the idea, but not the planned implementation. The tax should have been introduced at a lower rate and it should not turn into an ets.

The main aim should be to replace our aging power infrastructure with the next generation of solar thermal, geothermal, hydro and wind. In doing so we will reduce our emissions.

Revenue from a carbon tax allows investment in the infrastructure. An ets will result in billions of $$$ going overseas for carbon credits. I can't see how that will help us at all.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The ABC forumers diaspora are going to make life interesting. But rest assured, you are welcome, you will not be unreasonably inquired into, nor excessively regulated, nor termed "Hate Posters". Neither will Senator Conroy be posting to advise which footy games in his wisdom, he will make available for you to watch on the weekend.

That was a great thread Wayne: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6574&highlight=political+compass, looking back, GG occupied a sparse domain within it. Curious also that Nelson Mandela appeared to the left of Robert Mugabe, whose authoritarian tendencies Sen Conroy has doubtless noted.

As for myself, I did end up to the right on Wayne's chart, somewhere near Angela Merkel. I have placed myself under immediate house arrest, pending judicial review. But that's OK, as it will allow me to watch the QLD election results, with a bottle on ice, just in case QLD Labor are defeated.

Thanks Logique,

gav was in my corner. So I was not quite alone lol.

That was a very good thread. I would invite our ABC newcomers to visit it, and see where they sit.

gg

 

[Calliope]

The main aim should be to replace our aging power infrastructure with the next generation of solar thermal, geothermal, hydro and wind. In doing so we will reduce our emissions.

:topic

The price of alternative energy is far too high for the meagre benefits we get. They are finding out in Europe, that it is a luxury they can't afford. I posted this on the "hysteria" thread a few days ago.

This will be surprisingly costly. Britain's Carbon Trust estimates that the cost of expanding wind turbines to 40 gigawatts, to provide 31 per cent of electricity by 2020, could run as high as pound stg. 75 billion ($113bn). And the benefits, in terms of tackling global warming, would be measly: a reduction of just 86 megatons of CO2 a year for two decades. In terms of averted rise in temperature, this would be completely insignificant. Using a standard climate model, by 2100, Britain's huge outlay will have postponed global warming by just over 10 days

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I listened to the Rural Report on ABC Radio yesterday and it was full of Global Warming alarmist propaganda.

If I listen to a "Rural Report" in any other country except Australia it is about farmers, rural towns, livestock and produce.

What is it with these jokers who run " Our ABC " ?

gg

 

[Julia]

SC anyone the right of Lenin himself you would label as 'extreme right'.

+1.

This is what disturbs be about tribal political thought. Being 'left wing' does not automatically mean one supports such taxes.

Exactly my objection to the Left/Right divide. It generalises and assumes.
The carbon tax, in a global environment where it is unmatched, will do virtually nothing for the environment but massively disadvantage most business, and bring cost of living increases for ordinary Australians already finding it difficult to meet everyday expenses like electricity.

:topic

The price of alternative energy is far too high for the meagre benefits we get. They are finding out in Europe, that it is a luxury they can't afford.

Exactly so.

 

[rumpole]

"The carbon tax, in a global environment where it is unmatched, will do virtually nothing for the environment but massively disadvantage most business, and bring cost of living increases for ordinary Australians already finding it difficult to meet everyday expenses like electricity.
"

You conveniently ignore the effect that the tripling of the tax free threshold will have on the disposable incomes of 'ordinary Australians' and the benefits to productivity where people can work longer hours, get paid more and pay no more tax.

 

[Calliope]

You conveniently ignore the effect that the tripling of the tax free threshold will have on the disposable incomes of 'ordinary Australians' and the benefits to productivity where people can work longer hours, get paid more and pay no more tax.

I certainly did ignore it. I ignore most things that have no relevance to the topic. I was just bringing you back to earth on your alternative energy nonsense.

 

[rumpole]

I certainly did ignore it. I ignore most things that have no relevance to the topic. I was just bringing you back to earth on your alternative energy nonsense.

I wasn't talking to you, I responded to Julia.

However as to alternative energy 'nonsense', wind farms and solar power stations are going up all over Europe and the USA, so tell them it's all nonsense.

 

[Calliope]

However as to alternative energy 'nonsense', wind farms and solar power stations are going up all over Europe and the USA, so tell them it's all nonsense.

You're dreaming rumpole.

German solar farms and homeowners with solar panels received €8 billion ($10.2 billion) in subsidies in 2011 and generated just 3% of Germany's energy needs

The solar industry is in global decline and nowhere more so than Germany where in the closing days of 2011 Solon, who were Germany’s first photovoltaic producer have filed for insolvency with debts of 275 million euros.

BP has pulled out of solar, in the US Solyndra went bankrupt and there are 11 further renewables companies in the US, all going the same was as Solyndra, down the tubes.

As governments across the world cut the Green taxes that allowed these uneconomic industries like wind and solar to survive, so renewables have died.

http://toryaardvark.com/2012/01/19/solar-germanys-e100-billion-money-pit/

 

[Julia]

You conveniently ignore the effect that the tripling of the tax free threshold will have on the disposable incomes of 'ordinary Australians' and the benefits to productivity where people can work longer hours, get paid more and pay no more tax.

Oh dear, you have been naively sucked in by your party's disingenuous statement that it is going to triple the tax free threshold.

No such thing, dear Rumpole. They are indeed going to increase the tax free threshold but at the same time they are going to remove the various tax offsets which have for years allowed a tax free threshold of approx $16,500.
So they have marginally increased the threshold, but nowhere near by enough to offset the additional imposts from so many quarters of their stupid carbon tax and in the process apparently pulled off the quite amazing feat of getting people to believe they are actually going to have a whole new and more generous tax free threshold.

The opposition should be castigated for having only drawn minimal attention to this additional lie by Labor.

PS My accountant tells me that at present, before the new legislation is enacted, I can actually earn outside of my SMSF around $30,000 without paying any tax at all.

 

[rumpole]

No such thing, dear Rumpole. They are indeed going to increase the tax free threshold but at the same time they are going to remove the various tax offsets which have for years allowed a tax free threshold of approx $16,500.

What would theses tax offsets be Julia ?

 

[RobWA]

Revenue from a carbon tax allows investment in the infrastructure. An ets will result in billions of $$$ going overseas for carbon credits. I can't see how that will help us at all.

To my mind, that is very similar to the claims by our Premier that WA is single-handedly supporting the economy - same thing: the lion's share of the money is going overseas. I imagine it is the same story in the other mining states.