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19 years jail for stealing $40,000

I agree.

Alan Bond should have got 30,000 years according to YOUR calculations. Don't get me wrong I agree!

One minute you're taking a shot at me for criticising the failings of our legal system, and suggesting I go and live somewhere else if I don't like it.

Now you're agreeing with me that our legal system needs a complete overhaul!

Make up your mind.
 

Seems incredulous have you read the trial transcript?
Did the evidence get presented correctly?
Did the prosecution present their case correctly?
Was it a jury trial?
Do you only read head lines then decide its all broken?


You need to read the transcript?

Earlier in this thread I was critical of incompetent judges and unscrupulous lawyers, and our legal system generally.

Big call given 1,000's of case's Oz wide.

In response I got an idiotic post from some character who told me I should go and live in China if I didn't like our legal system.

Not any more unreasonable than many of your responses

And from some other character I got a response that was almost as silly, telling me that I was blaming judges and lawyers for the social failures.

You were talking about escalating violence, greatest area of growth in this currently is the combo of drug an alcohol which is a social issue.


Don't blame you China still has the rule of man and occasional rule of law.


You blamed them for the Matthew Butcher case which Quinny pointed out was decided by a jury sounded to me maybe the prosecution blew it!


One of the objectives of the legal system is to act as a deterrent to irresponsible and criminal behaviour. But what sort of deterrent is it when violent crime brings only light punishment, or in some cases no punishment at all?

Absolutely bad people should be locked up

Our legal system needs a complete overhaul - there are too many cases these days where it's just not achieving the objectives it was designed to achieve.

In 1,000's of case's there will be mistakes but Australia still has a very good legal system complete with separation of powers that most country's world wide don't have.

As for the deterrent thing Texas is a great example of the failure of capital punishment to deter crimes of passion or mental illness.

Hopefully this post wont be met with the usual abuse.
 
have you read the trial transcript?
Did the evidence get presented correctly?
Did the prosecution present their case correctly?
Was it a jury trial?
Do you only read head lines then decide its all broken?

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You need to read the transcript?

Have been waiting for someone to bring that up.
Everyone who has been complaining and carrying on about the various rulings seem to be using the Courier Mail etc as their authority, which becomes rather tiring after a while.
Also it seems that the only way to fix the problem (if you were to follow the advice of some of the posters here) is to either execute the criminals or 'throw away the key' (neither of which are very helpful answers).
You also did well to mention the separation of powers.

(Keep up the good work with your posts, very enjoyable to read)
 
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Also it seems that the only way to fix the problem (if you were to follow the advice of some of the posters here) is to either execute the criminals or 'throw away the key' (neither of which are very helpful answers).
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Besides all the needs of the criminal to feed habit or two and / or find motivation to get off the booze, or other recreational mind altering chemicals, there are also sitting ducks general public, that surprise surprise would not mind to be looked after too.

Quite a few years back stealing from private premises totalled to $800 million dollars in that particular year.
Should all new and previous robbers be kept locked, chances are that total figure would be much lower.

Also if all keys instead of being thrown out were collected for recycling, we would have additional benefit.


Current legal system does not reduce crime the way that general public expects, so surely to get different result we have to use different methods of deterrence / rehabilitation.

(I get it, lawyers woud not have the same workload ($$$$$) )
 
Also if all keys instead of being thrown out were collected for recycling, we would have additional benefit.

(I get it, lawyers woud not have the same workload ($$$$$) )

It would be a sad sad world if everyone lost faith in humanity...

Lawyers don't make the laws last time I checked? So why would laws be made in accordance with what will/won't effect them financially?

Repetition repetition lets sing it again repetition repetition it'll never end.
 
Of course they don’t, they just find loopholes.

(As good example GLOVE comes to my mind from USA)

Yeah I agree lawyers do, do their job - some better than others.

(Working within the confines of the law)
 
Yes, I almost feel sorry for how constricted they are in this terrible confinement!

Indeedy do.

Happy, you have a knack, neigh a talent of taking little extracts from what people say, taking them out of context and giving an answer to them which doesnt fit the point the poster is trying to make.
 

Here's what you said.

It's about the admissibility of evidence. And the Evidence Act of the Commonwealth and each state don't just apply to criminal trials they also apply in a whole variety of civil litigation matters as well. Do you have just as much contempt for a lawyer successfully arguing an exception to the Evidence Act on a civil litigation matter standing up for the property rights of his client. Or do the precedents in such civil litigation matters only attract your dissatisfaction within the criminal jurisdiction of the courts???

The laws an ass bunyip. Get over it!
 

I've made my position pretty clear - the legal system is too often failing in its objectives, which are, or at least should be, to get justice for victims of crime and appropriate penalties for the criminals.
Yes, the law is an ass - that's why I'm saying (and you're now agreeing with me) that our legal system needs a complete overhaul.
 
Hopefully this post wont be met with the usual abuse.

Abuse? Pffftt!
Not from me, pal. I've been forthright in my views, certainly, but not abusive.
On another thread you copped a dose of your own medicine when I handed you a small burst of sarcasm which you fully deserved, given that you yourself had been dishing out sarcasm left right and centre in some of your previous posts.
You got all offended and called it a personal attack. lol
Toughen up - if you dish it out then you shouldn't complain when you find yourself on the receiving end.

Anyway, you can always report me to the moderator if you're so convinced that I've been abusive.
 
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