11 kids to 11 different fathers

[Happy]

So far she got one and wants to get 10 more.
This story got me upset a bit.

To my liking, our social security system doesn’t address deliberate long-term unemployment.

 

[moXJO]

So far she got one and wants to get 10 more.
This story got me upset a bit.

To my liking, our social security system doesn’t address deliberate long-term unemployment.

Someone has to spit out kids to keep this country going. By the time she has 3 she would probably be over dirty nappies and lack of sleep anyway. The ad for this was a bit misleading on T.V made out she already had 11 kids.

 

[quinny]

I am a donor offspring searching for my donor and for any half siblings. This story annoyed me a lot. I don't even understand why she went on TV. Deliberately denying a child to have a father is something that doesn't sit well with me.

In WA, it's a child's right to know who the donor is once they turn 16 (with approved counselling). Wonder how this child will feel (and any subsequent children) when older about these media stories his mum has done?

If anyone is interested, I have set up a website for donor conception issues: http://www.ausdcf.org

 

[son of baglimit]

she uses a turkey baster - no wonder she only has 4 applicants this time.

 

[Julia]

I haven't seen the item being discussed but get the general idea.

As far as needing to keep the population going, is it really likely that these genes are going to contribute much to our society? More likely to be a further drain on the welfare bill.

And just wait until the $10,000 baby bonus is introduced for the third child!!!

 

[numbercruncher]

And just wait until the $10,000 baby bonus is introduced for the third child!!!

Hello Julia


Within 20 years time about 1 in 3 Australians will be aged over 60, its going to be a vastly different landscape than it is now, you can just imagine the strain on resources etc, I mean we already have a failing health system.

Under current circumstances and falling birthrates boomers are going to be forced into a massive bidding war to receive quality old age care.

The current generation Xers arnt even coming close to replacing themselves, if i was a boomer i would consider it prudent and self serving to wanting Australia to have more Children or huge Immigration is the only other alternative.

Its probably Cheaper to have home grown Aussies than imported ones even at 10k a baby. I think the problem is infact so serious that further incentives will need to be found. I think alot of Xers would have more Children but the financials simply dont allow it.

 

[insider]

Someone has to spit out kids to keep this country going. By the time she has 3 she would probably be over dirty nappies and lack of sleep anyway. The ad for this was a bit misleading on T.V made out she already had 11 kids.

Ummm nooo.... I don't want that womans genes mixed with anyones

 

[Julia]

Hello Julia


Within 20 years time about 1 in 3 Australians will be aged over 60, its going to be a vastly different landscape than it is now, you can just imagine the strain on resources etc, I mean we already have a failing health system.

Under current circumstances and falling birthrates boomers are going to be forced into a massive bidding war to receive quality old age care.

The current generation Xers arnt even coming close to replacing themselves, if i was a boomer i would consider it prudent and self serving to wanting Australia to have more Children or huge Immigration is the only other alternative.

Its probably Cheaper to have home grown Aussies than imported ones even at 10k a baby. I think the problem is infact so serious that further incentives will need to be found. I think alot of Xers would have more Children but the financials simply dont allow it.

Hello Numbercruncher,

You are absolutely right and I agree about the imbalance in the age groups in a couple of decades.

But, having more than a passing acquaintance with women like this, and seeing the multigenerational welfare that is so common, I'm envisaging simply more individuals getting welfare all their lives rather than contributing to the economy.

I hope I'm wrong. But the sort of people who are going to on the whole be motivated by money to have a child are probably less likely to produce progeny that will contribute than those people who are not motivated by money.

I realise that this sounds elitist and discriminatory, but honestly have observed this in reality.

 

[Rafa]

Its probably Cheaper to have home grown Aussies than imported ones even at 10k a baby.

Certainly the howard govt, despite their rhetoric on migrants and the baby bonus feel otherwise and the number of migrants to australia, both under the normal mirgratory channels, but also the 457 working visa classes are thru the roof...

the real question is can the planet as a whole sustain many more people...? If Julia's fears are indeed true, and knowing her experiences, i dare say they are... its probably better to go for the immigration option...

this way, australia's population rises, but the nett planet population holds steady or indeed falls.

the chinese had a good slant on this, when they said by having the 1 child policy and stopping the production of 1billion new chinese, they have done more for global warming than everyone else combined... even tho ultimately, this may well lead to their own downfall due to aging population.

sorry, gone of track a bit here...

 

[moneymajix]

Fertility rates seems to be dropping.

In the years ahead we may find that it will become more difficult for people to have children.

 

[Kathmandu]

I think alot of Xers would have more Children but the financials simply dont allow it.

I'm generation X, and I love all of my children

From the roofs on their head's to the slabs on their feet.

Dave

 

[moXJO]

Ummm nooo.... I don't want that womans genes mixed with anyones

I could say the same thing about Julia Gillard..... What Australia needs is a better education system, or a big chunk of funding to keep all the rugrats from slipping through the cracks.Plenty of people from single parents turn out fine.

 

[theasxgorilla]

I hope I'm wrong. But the sort of people who are going to on the whole be motivated by money to have a child are probably less likely to produce progeny that will contribute than those people who are not motivated by money.

Not to mention a p1ssy $3k to have a kid. I agree Julia...people inspired by such low hanging fruit, hmmm.

Australia is a wealthy country with a bad habit of p1ssing it up against the wall over the years in all number of ways.

I don't want to preach that it's better over here, because some things are not (don't know where someone got the idea Australia's health system is failing, it leaves the health system in cradle-to-grave socialist Sweden for dead), but the policy for mothers and fathers having children is superior to anything I've seen anywhere. Parents’ allowance is payable for 450 days, with each parent able to take up to half of that, or transfer all except 30 days of their share to the other. The days are able to be taken anytime up to the age of 8 years. Parents have the right to take full time leave, or to reduce their working hours by one quarter, one half or three quarters.

If you really want to incent the 'right' people to have kids you need to incent them with what they value most, time!

 

[insider]

If you really want to incent the 'right' people to have kids you need to incent them with what they value most, time!

Spot on ASX Gorila They right people need to be valued more... Some how I think this should be in the "Beating the Taxman" Thread...

On a similar topic I believe they need to bring in mandatory DNA tests for fathers who are paying child support... Why?; this chick wants 11 kids so that she can what?! buy new clothes... pulease... They also need to stamp out what is clearly entrepreneurial doll bludging...

1:5 kids are UNKNOWINGLY being brought up by someone other than their father...

 

[JeSSica WaBBit]

I reckon we need to start to cull out these numpties, forget increasing the population, lets just trim out some of these muppets.................

These people are non thinkers and from my observations there is certainly plenty running around, they are multiplying at an astonishing rate.

Numpties i tell ya!!!

 

[Whiskers]

Not to mention a p1ssy $3k to have a kid. I agree Julia...people inspired by such low hanging fruit, hmmm.

Australia is a wealthy country with a bad habit of p1ssing it up against the wall over the years in all number of ways.


If you really want to incent the 'right' people to have kids you need to incent them with what they value most, time!

Time certainly is the most valuable thing a parent can give a child. I spent a lot of time working away form home when my kids were young, until I realised that the kids had no comprehension of money and what they needed was my company. I made a lifestyle decision to quit paid employment and go self employed to be home with them every day.

The whole family payment, welfare, baby bonus and child support system needs revamping in this country to encourage and support people who earned income to have a family supported by both parents and leave these welfare orientated mothers and fathers out in the cold. My daughter is now a secondary school teacher and she confirms my assessement that many children from single parents, mainly mothers, are the main source of disruptive children at school and adolescent crime.

I reckon the baby bonus should be given as a rebate on taxable income, as opposed to a grant to anyone. It the rebate started above the welfare income level, say at minimum weekly wage and increased a little in proportion to income, it would encourage more of the better 'type' of people to have children, such as people with a good work ethic, the skilled, self employed, trades and professional people who traditionally have fewer children.

I wouldn't mind if it did increase to $10k per child if it was paid as a rebate on taxable income after the mother went back to work in the case of a single mum, or from the partners income in the case of a conventional family when they have multiple children to help make it more affordable for one parent to be with the kids. It would also provide more justice for fathers if the rebate was given to the father for tax purposes so in the event of seperation, the wife may still get the actual cash and do away with the archaoic child support system that only encourages some women to get pregnant, name someone as the father to be eligible for all the handouts.

I know the doo gooders and welfare bludgers would scream blue murder, but if they knew that the only way they would get any sort of child payments was as a tax rebate rather than a free handout, I reckon you will see the number of teenage mothers, single mothers and dole bludger familes fall like a rock and working family couples having more children and raising them with much better values and ethics.

But I guess the unconditional offer a cash handout just for having a kid is probably more effective at stealing more traditional labour voters from the welfare que to get the numbers to win an election.

 

[chops_a_must]

If we are that worried about a lack of kids, why don't we just convert everyone to catholicism? Problem solved.

 

[insider]

I reckon we need to start to cull out these numpties, forget increasing the population, lets just trim out some of these muppets.................

These people are non thinkers and from my observations there is certainly plenty running around, they are multiplying at an astonishing rate.

Numpties i tell ya!!!

Oh my God!!! You want to start a genocide...

 

[insider]

If we are that worried about a lack of kids, why don't we just convert everyone to catholicism? Problem solved.

How does that solve anything...

 

[numbercruncher]

Some pretty harsh opinions floating about in this thread

I can imagine the opinions on non english speaking 1 of 12 children refugees

The Australian Government is currently scouring the British countryside pleading for nurses and Doctors to Immigrate to Australia with seemingly little success.

Im sure there is a Billion people who would love to Emigrate to Oz, but the bulk of these people are non English speaking and unskilled.

Nearly every skilled or semi skilled Industry has massive staffing shortages.

Baby boomers are retiring at the rate of a few hundred thousand a year.

Gen X arnt replacing themselves let alone adding. Gen Y are likely to be even worse at the mateing game.

Whatever the solution the clock (including biological ones) isnt going to stop whilst a solution is pondered.

As of 2005 20pc of the Population was under 15, 40pc was over 45.

Paid Maternity leave like other properly managed Countries seems to me the best route.