Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Darc Knight]

Mo, in the past you've admitted Trump is a bit of a scumbag. Do you really think he has the ethical substance to be believed and to be President, of anything?

 

[moXJO]

Another Trump aide pleads guilty to fraud and money laundering.

The empire continues to crumble.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...-to-pleads-guilty-to-avoid-new-trial/10250054

Thats the same one as previous convinced for seven days or whatever.

He was being investigated prior to trump and has a long history.

He was a lobbyist and unregistered with the us govt when he joined trumps team roughly march 2016.
He then registered retroactively june 27.
Campaign Chairman from June to August 2016.
So if you are unregistered and talking to foreign powers, you are going to get pumped. But seems you can get around as shown by other runners.

So that was one of his main sticking points. Also where the russian collusion came from. Its possible that during march to june they broke the law while he wasn't registered.
He has a lot of tax and banking stuff as well from before trumps time.

 

[SirRumpole]

He has a lot of tax and banking stuff as well from before trumps time.

But Trump still accepted his help, without any vetting apparently.

 

[moXJO]

Mo, in the past you've admitted Trump is a bit of a scumbag. Do you really think he has the ethical substance to be believed and to be President, of anything?

Heres what I think:
Trumps a morally corrupt real estate agent. Guaranteed to have blurred the lines when it comes to the law.
His public persona is a lying a$shole of epic proportions.

I think the Russian collusion charges are bogus and will end up lynching him on a technicality if it happens. There will be no "Trump talked to x to obtain information on y". It might be possible manafort talked while he was unregistered and went to trump.


Trump is doing what needs to be done. You have strongman leaders in both China and Russia. Trump is the exact type of as$hole the US needs right now. Not only that, but he seems resilient under all the scrutiny and daily scandal. He still gets things done.

So right now I'm watching and trying to figure out where it will lead. I think democrats are lying scum on a level not seen before right now. And thats where the media fall down.

I think this "pop piece" article from tim allen (actor/comedian) sums up a lot about how those on the right feel.

You know … it’s a very loaded question. I’ve met [Trump] at the charity event years ago, and that certainly doesn’t fit with the man who tweets. I’ve met a lot of people in private whose public persona is a bit off. My perception is “let’s see what he gets done.” Let’s stop banging on the pilot’s door and trying to pull the guy out of his seat while he’s still flying. You might not like how he’s flying the plane but let’s let him land it. Do I like him or agree with him? … I don’t know. Somebody got this NAFTA thing done. How did that happen? It’s like a slight of hand with this dude. There’s this smoke and smelly food but over here he just fixed a pothole. The theater of this is fascinating. He doesn’t do it very attractively but you don’t even realize the economy is doing better. Is it? There’s so much drama. Maybe it took this type of guy to get stuff done because it was so stuck in the mud. I’m just watching the theater of it and trying to keep my personal opinions out of it. What difference does it make whether I like him?

Has he broken a law that will see him kicked out...... possibly.

My feeling is that once dems win a house then it will basically be the end of Trump.

 

[moXJO]

But Trump still accepted his help, without any vetting apparently.

Politically he doesn't know the rules (obviously). I think this is where a lot of the "idiot" comments come from. But you expect people to know there job.
I think manafort excused himself once he realized he was exposed for the $12mill in foreign payments.

The question is: did Trump know before or after about his history. He seems willing to pardon him and that looks suss.

 

[Darc Knight]

Heres what I think:
Trumps a morally corrupt real estate agent. Guaranteed to have blurred the lines when it comes to the law.
His public persona is a lying a$shole of epic proportions.

I think the Russian collusion charges are bogus and will end up lynching him on a technicality if it happens. There will be no "Trump talked to x to obtain information on y". It might be possible manafort talked while he was unregistered and went to trump.


Trump is doing what needs to be done. You have strongman leaders in both China and Russia. Trump is the exact type of as$hole the US needs right now. Not only that, but he seems resilient under all the scrutiny and daily scandal. He still gets things done.

So right now I'm watching and trying to figure out where it will lead. I think democrats are lying scum on a level not seen before right now. And thats where the media fall down.

I think this "pop piece" article from tim allen (actor/comedian) sums up a lot about how those on the right feel.




Has he broken a law that will see him kicked out...... possibly.

My feeling is that once dems win a house then it will basically be the end of Trump.

I think that's a very good Post Mo. Although I'm not sure how bad the Dems are though.

 

[moXJO]

I think that's a very good Post Mo. Although I'm not sure how bad the Dems are though.

Outside of the trump thread we are actually in sync with a lot of stuff
You know I love ya, I just like to pick.

I think people will come to realize just how bad the dems are. The cultish like media and social media technocrats will be exposed a lot more (see google). And real truth on the issues will be understood a lot more. I'm not saying gop are any better.

I thought technology might make truth in reporting universal and prolific. Instead we got lies from all sides. And the truth covered with seven layers of bs.

All I can hope is that people dig a bit deeper. Cause as$holes like me are not always around to point it out.

 

[IFocus]

Politically he doesn't know the rules (obviously). I think this is where a lot of the "idiot" comments come from. But you expect people to know there job.
I think manafort excused himself once he realized he was exposed for the $12mill in foreign payments.

The question is: did Trump know before or after about his history. He seems willing to pardon him and that looks suss.

Prosecutors generally don't make deals unless the target has something really good to offer and they that fully cooperate.

I think its fair to assume Manaford has some reasonable dirt on Trump or possibly a ina-circle target closer to Trump that that will be another target to flip.

At that level of law in the US its serious jungle rules "ruthless."

 

[SirRumpole]

I thought technology might make truth in reporting universal and prolific. Instead we got lies from all sides. And the truth covered with seven layers of bs.

Probably a reflection of the weak defamation laws in the US.

 

[basilio]

A story and analysis that poses a big question.


Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart — Or His Handler?

A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion.

By Jonathan Chait
Artwork by Barbara Kruger for New York

On June 14, 2016, the Washington Post reported that Russian hackers had broken into the Democratic National Committee’s files and gained access to its research on Donald Trump. A political world already numbed by Trump’s astonishing rise barely took notice. News reports quoted experts who suggested the Russians merely wanted more information about Trump to inform their foreign-policy dealings. By that point, Russia was already broadcasting its strong preference for Trump through the media. Yet when news of the hacking broke, nobody raised the faintest suspicions that Russia wished to alter the outcome of the election, let alone that Trump or anybody connected with him might have been in cahoots with a foreign power. It was a third-rate cyberburglary. Nothing to see here.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

 

[sptrawler]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...eet-hits-new-record/10289386?section=business

Economic figures showed that new claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest in nearly 50 years.

The US has seen record breaking jobs growth with an unemployment rate of 3.9 per cent.

The data adds to expectations that the US central bank, the Federal Reserve, will raise benchmark interest rates next week to 2 to 2.25 per cent.
He may be an idiot, he may be unattractive, he may be a narcissist, but he is doing something right.

 

[luutzu]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...eet-hits-new-record/10289386?section=business

Economic figures showed that new claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest in nearly 50 years.

The US has seen record breaking jobs growth with an unemployment rate of 3.9 per cent.

The data adds to expectations that the US central bank, the Federal Reserve, will raise benchmark interest rates next week to 2 to 2.25 per cent.
He may be an idiot, he may be unattractive, he may be a narcissist, but he is doing something right.

Fed raising rates have nothing to do with Trump though.

I think that if it's up to him, he'd rather it be low. It'll do wonder for the struggling investors portfolio.

The books and interviews I saw said that what ultimately lead to the GFC was Alan Greenspan's refusal to "remove the punch bowl" of low interest rate. Was too slow to raise it and that lead to the credit binge, property boom etc., resulting in the GFC.

Don't know much about the US property market, but seem they're trying to not let go full blown Australia.

 

[Tisme]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-...eet-hits-new-record/10289386?section=business

Economic figures showed that new claims for unemployment benefits fell to the lowest in nearly 50 years.

The US has seen record breaking jobs growth with an unemployment rate of 3.9 per cent.

The data adds to expectations that the US central bank, the Federal Reserve, will raise benchmark interest rates next week to 2 to 2.25 per cent.
He may be an idiot, he may be unattractive, he may be a narcissist, but he is doing something right.

I think those who are convinced the USA is doing badly should show their stripes and divest themselves of any investments in US companies ...... for moral, ethical and on the side of right reasons.

 

[sptrawler]

Fed raising rates have nothing to do with Trump though.

I think you will find it does, as prices of imported goods rise and unemployment falls, inflation will rise. The Fed will want to apply a brake to slow the rate of growth, to stop the economy running away again.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-the-fed-raises-interest-rates-2017-12?r=US&IR=T

 

[SirRumpole]

I think those who are convinced the USA is doing badly should show their stripes and divest themselves of any investments in US companies ...... for moral, ethical and on the side of right reasons.

You just can't look at the "headline" unemployment rate and say things are fine, because "employed" is defined as doing any work in the last month. The figures hide those who are in the "gig economy" and don't get enough hours to make ends meet.

https://www.worldatwork.org/workspan/articles/underemployment-is-a-big-problem-in-the-united-states

 

[Tisme]

You just can't look at the "headline" unemployment rate and say things are fine, because "employed" is defined as doing any work in the last month. The figures hide those who are in the "gig economy" and don't get enough hours to make ends meet.

https://www.worldatwork.org/workspan/articles/underemployment-is-a-big-problem-in-the-united-states

But if you look at the GDP PPP the USA is second to China and India a distant third and Australia nineteenth. Anyone who's been to China and India knows there is a yawning gap between China/India and Oz/USA in the poverty/liveability/safetynet stakes .....

 

[Junior]

I think the majority out there agree the US economy is performing strongly and growing at present. The questions are:
* How much of this growth is attributable to Trump policies and Trump decision-making? The economy was performing strongly well before Trump took the reigns.
* Is this growth sustainable? Looking at super low interest rates, and ever-expanding govn't debt and budget deficits, it seems highly unlikely. You can't slash taxes every year.

 

[Darc Knight]

Where's Mo? Sorry Bas, I lubs you too, but I miss Mo (as long as it's not my posts he's "picking" )

 

[Toyota Lexcen]

I think the majority out there agree the US economy is performing strongly and growing at present. The questions are:
* How much of this growth is attributable to Trump policies and Trump decision-making? The economy was performing strongly well before Trump took the reigns.
* Is this growth sustainable? Looking at super low interest rates, and ever-expanding govn't debt and budget deficits, it seems highly unlikely. You can't slash taxes every year.

Good points Junior.

I was in US in April for a few weeks and the place is booming.

Especially San Fran, they are calling it a gold rush at street level (tour operators). Black America are shopping, have jobs, real confidence.

You have Amazon which is building a village in Seattle. San Fran has the likes of Apple, Uber, Twitter etc. The “Tech” companies to going to be huge.

Amazon has a chain of supermarkets called Whole Food Markets where probably 30-40% of floor space is meals, pizza, curries, salad bars, roasts, coffee, beer.

Trump doing all this? Who knows

 

[Tisme]