Cut in Immigration?

[CanOz]

The western world needs to have bigger families to avoid a demographic catastrophe dutchie...

 

[dutchie]

The western world needs to have bigger families to avoid a demographic catastrophe dutchie...

Would not hurt, but it's too late for that, I'm afraid. The numbers are too big. The West is being swamped.

 

[luutzu]

Would not hurt, but it's too late for that, I'm afraid. The numbers are too big. The West is being swamped.

The poor, poor West, getting swamped by people from "sh!ithole" countries.

I wonder if there's a solution for stopping people from running away from the land of their ancestors.

Maybe... I don't know... stop farking around with their country. That might help not turning it into war zones and total disasters. Stop taking their resources and pretend it's for their own good. Stop putting them into poverty.

Those few doing nothing, costing nothing might be good for them, and good for the West too.

So on the one hand, Western leaders mouthed off about freedom, democracy, human rights; about the need to blow the crap out of other people's country to help liberate them.

Then when the bombs and the wars drove those people into refugee camps; with a few of them not being able to go into any because they're all full... they got on a dingy to "migrate"... the Western leaders tell them to go fark off, it's full.

Dutch, people are supposed to either use their head or their heart. Not freaking use neither of it. One or the other.

Otherwise, you're just mouthing off rubbish.

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And here's a lesson from ancient Rome for you... "The tools of empire soon enough turn against the people of the empire." - Tacitus.

What does that mean?

They wipe out entire cities then call it peace. They enslave barbarians and savages, take their life and their liberty, then their resources.

The state treasury are spent on those missions; the plebs at home gets shafted while the few arms merchants and mercenaries gets filthy rich.

Then the plebs got annoyed and angry. The same tools, the same mindset that turn barbaric neighbours into "sh!tholes" soon enough turn the empire into "sh!tholes" as well.

Look at the US. Did the illegals loot $1.5Trillion from US taxpayers? Or did some douche just signed it with a pen?

Did refugees decided the cities get lead poisoned through their water system? Or was it the Russians?

Did the Arabs forced themselves to be tortured? Did Islam forced the US gov't to separate kids from their parents? Shoot coloured American citizens? Surveillance on everybody?

 

[CanOz]

The east always had the population advantage, just lacked the economics, now the tables have turned. I think Caucasians have cast their own destiny many decades ago, a gradual extinction.

 

[SirRumpole]

The western world needs to have bigger families to avoid a demographic catastrophe dutchie...

Right, but our "breeding stock" can't afford to have families these days. Most of them have to make do with casual, part time or temporary jobs and have to compete with migrants for the good jobs. They can't even afford a house, let alone kids to put in it.

We are doing our young people out of a secure future with high immigration.

 

[CanOz]

I don't think so. The people I know choose no kids because they like their lifestyle, nothing to do with can't afford kids...perhaps it's just the people I know. Immigration creates jobs, it doesn't take them away. Consider my wife and I, I work and she doesn't. We spend approx 4500 a month on living expenses, we bought two cars, three properties and now we're building a house. That's allot going back into the economy employing others....I'm the immigrant by the way.

 

[SirRumpole]

Immigration creates jobs, it doesn't take them away.

It's a crutch, it doesn't solve any problems it just papers over it.

By your estimation we will need continual immigration forever, untill all the farmlands become housing estates and we end up like Delhi.

How do we determine when enough is enough ?

 

[CanOz]

Well it's grow or die really...the economy cannot mathematically function without either growth in tax revenue or a cut to social benefits....it's just math sir. Japan is now importing Vietnamese labor.

 

[dutchie]

Immigration is a PONZI SCHEME

 

[SirRumpole]

Well it's grow or die really...the economy cannot mathematically function without either growth in tax revenue or a cut to social benefits....it's just math sir. Japan is now importing Vietnamese labor.

Uncontrolled growth occurs in biological systems too.

It's called cancer.

 

[CanOz]

Ponzi scheme it may be, but someone has to pay tax dudes...do the math or propose a solution that is factual, mathmatical.

 

[CanOz]

Read somewhere the other day that the Chinese are considering a tax on couples that don't have kids! Think about that for a moment...

 

[wayneL]

Ponzi is an apt phrase in Australia. We have destroyed our industrial capacity, and replaced it with a service based economy that relies on building and trading housing.

Eventually, saturation and collapse is inevitable.

 

[CanOz]

Im not of the view that industrial capacity is the future. Intellect capacity...

 

[wayneL]

Im not of the view that industrial capacity is the future. Intellect capacity...

Yep sure, but we still need to make some **** here, you know, using the less intelligent grunt we have here to value add.

 

[CanOz]

For now, yes. But the key for the future is highly skilled work on automated industrial processes. Think logic control programmers, robotic technicians. Grunt work will be virtually eliminated faster then we could expect. Our immigration should be targeted for highly skilled, highly educated employees to generate tax in a high tech work force to pay for the generations that are retired.

 

[Tisme]

For now, yes. But the key for the future is highly skilled work on automated industrial processes. Think logic control programmers, robotic technicians. Grunt work will be virtually eliminated faster then we could expect. Our immigration should be targeted for highly skilled, highly educated employees to generate tax in a high tech work force to pay for the generations that are retired.

I was an early innovator in automation, robotics, etc starting way back in the 70's, designed and manufactured well into the 90's, but the cultural cringe was always a blocker both by engineers and govt. There's still some legacy manufacturers from that time, but much of the stuff is imported and the smarts in programming and applications isn't a country specialty .... even the Indians get stuck into that enmasse these days.

Having said that there are small local operations using uber brains who are developing next gen tech, but the country can't run on a few gyrogearlooses.

 

[Kerway]

Immigration is not a problem as long as the immigrants coming in benefit our country.

My experience is that the vast majority of Asian immigrants into Australia (whether from SE Asia or the Indian sub-continent) have benefited Australia tremendously, whilst the relative few immigrants from places like Lebanon and Africa have not. The Lebanese because an uncomfortable number of them appear to be against the "Australian way of life" and the black Africans because an uncomfortable number of them are happier not to work. The white Africans from South Africa and Zimbabwe appear to fit in really well. Those who may see the latter distinction as racist, I am just generalising the situation as I see it and don't mean to offend any person or race group.

 

[SirRumpole]

Our immigration should be targeted for highly skilled, highly educated employees to generate tax in a high tech work force to pay for the generations that are retired.

Why don't we use our education system to produce this high tech work force instead of throwing our young people on the scrap heap of the gig economy ?

 

[sptrawler]

Why don't we use our education system to produce this high tech work force instead of throwing our young people on the scrap heap of the gig economy ?

Or the meth economy, for once I agree with you.
Why don't we get our education system, back to a system that encourages high achievers and helps guide low achievers, rather than trying to tell everyone they are a high achiever?