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Will China end up owning the World?


I wonder if he ever ponders what happens to those populations of muslims that seem to just vanish in China.

for those who are blocked:

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China cannot continue to rise the way that it has within a West-designed world order, in a Western-designed global financial system, and in a West-controlled international legal trade structure dominated and controlled by Western powers....

The only way for China to reach its potential is for China to force a change to the rules and create a new world order... The rules have to change...

[China] needs greater control of the global media which it plans. Global media and the engine of social media are in the hands of China’s opponents. The Arab Spring has seen the power of Western propaganda satellites in manipulating and misinforming the public leading the Arab world to chaos and the result has been death and destruction. Today China has been able to block that intrusion into China’s internal affairs....


Moselmane's conspiracy theories and antagonism to the West is of deep concern, coming from an Australian politician.

Does he not think the Chinese communists actually have too much control over the media, imposing harsh censorship? Does he not think that China is actually smashing the world order by stealing the South China Sea, to the especial disadvantage not of the West but of China's Asian neighbours - Vietnam and the Philippines? Does he not see that China's astonishing rise has in fact created under the "Western" system he now denounces? Does he not see that China is actually a communist dictatorship?

Why is this man a Labor MP? What kind of interests and hatreds does he represent and reinforce?

I agree with Professor Clive Hamilton:

Who wrote it? It’s the worst kind of propaganda from Beijing. It’s extraordinary. What struck me is he is saying what China needs to rule the world is to control the world’s media.

UPDATE

Moselmane has form, and Sharri Markson attacked him:

Jewish advocacy groups are “cancerous” and “malicious” and try to “deny, misinform and scaremonger”. A NSW Labor politician voiced these incendiary words — the first NSW Muslim MP, in fact, Shaoquett Moselmane. He didn’t utter them in the privacy of his own home. He felt comfortable enough broadcasting this anti-semitic sentiment within the walls of the NSW Parliament.

This is terrifying in itself. The MP, who ironically decried racism in his first speech to parliament, made the remarks just two years ago, in May 2013. He was not shouted-out of the high office he holds for racist commentary. On the contrary, Labor continues to support him and Moselmane is now a vocal advocate behind a push to ban Labor MPs from visiting Israel on trips funded by Jewish organisations.

Moselmane denies being anti-Semitic or racist and sued Markson for writing the above - only to drop his claim just before it went to trial. There's someone who - it seems to me - indeed believes in more control over the media.

But an extract from Moselmane's speech makes me wonder as well about his preaching:

I will always say and do what is right, even in the face of trash that I have read in the Australian Israeli media. One or two reporters writing in the Murdoch press—namely the Australian—have been attacking me and denying the truth of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian land and the killing and dehumanising of the Palestinian people.

That is utter garbage. I accept the right of people to express their views, even when they are wrong, naive, ill informed, indoctrinated and blinded by the power of a political lobby group that is cancerous, malicious and seeks to deny, misinform and scaremonger. What I do take exception to is foreigners intervening in the rights of Australian politicians to speak out. Therefore, I say to the Israeli ambassador, Yuval Rotem, “Butt out and stay out. Your perceived right to bully as you do in the Middle East does not extend to the Australian political arena.”

In today’s Australian Cassandra Wilkinson, lacking journalistic integrity and informed knowledge of Israeli occupation of Arab land, ... conveniently attacks others in the New South Wales Parliament who simply dare to criticise—as any ethical or moral person would do—the State of Israel’s illegal and criminal practices against the Palestinian people.

I applaud all Muslim and Arab leaders for speaking out on these and other issues. I call on the Australian Arab Muslim community to unite and for once to speak with one Australian voice. I ask them to protect the right of their community to speak out and deliver a message of peace and citizenship on behalf of their community so that neither they nor their messages are misconstrued or misunderstood.

That's "a message of peace"?

Then there was this:

A CLAIM made in NSW Parliament last week by Opposition Whip in the Legislative Council, Shaoquett Moselmane, that no Jews in pre-State Israel were “ever harmed” by Palestinians, has outraged political and communal leaders.

And subsequent comments by the Lebanese-born MLC that labelled the late Shimon Peres as being partly responsible for “the uprooting of the Palestinian people” have been condemned by NSW MPs, including Opposition Leader Luke Foley, who called them “disappointing and innapropriate”.

The tirade was launched by Moselmane during a debate about a condolence motion for Peres...

“Neither Palestinian Muslim nor Palestinian Christian ever harmed the Jewish people of Palestine,” Moselmane charged.

“Yet history can objectively recall and show the harm done to innocent Palestinians in their thousands in the many massacres – including Deir Yassin.”

That prompted quick condemnation from NSW Jewish Board of Deputies CEO Vic Alhadeff, who ... referred to many recorded cases of Jews being killed during the British Mandate, most notably the 1929 massacres when 133 Jews were killed, the April 1948 Hadassah convoy massacre when 78 Jews were slain, and countless deadly terrorist attacks.

Why does Labor continue to preselect such a man?

Is this evidence that Muslim immigration is also the immigration of a culture very hostile to our democratic own?"
 
Why does Labor continue to preselect such a man?

After the Muslim vote, like with Husic.

These people can have their cultural rambles, but if the Labor Party starts taking notice of them, then that's a problem.
 
After the Muslim vote, like with Husic.

These people can have their cultural rambles, but if the Labor Party starts taking notice of them, then that's a problem.

This has been one of my gripes for sometime. Labor appear to have continued down the dung beetle trail, picking up bits of **** here and bits of **** there to make up the lost numbers of working class (transcended into pensioners, welfare class and middle class bogans). Sure they manage to create a noticeable dung ball, but it's still a ball of **** that seems to betray its once admirable totems.
 
This has been one of my gripes for sometime. Labor appear to have continued down the dung beetle trail, picking up bits of **** here and bits of **** there to make up the lost numbers of working class (transcended into pensioners, welfare class and middle class bogans). Sure they manage to create a noticeable dung ball, but it's still a ball of **** that seems to betray its once admirable totems.

Agreed. They are going down to route of social inclusion by quota and the talent base is being eroded.

I can't see see any Hawkes, Keatings, Wrans or Whitlams in the Labor Party these days, just bland Billy and his bunch of social whingers.
 
This has been one of my gripes for sometime. Labor appear to have continued down the dung beetle trail, picking up bits of **** here and bits of **** there to make up the lost numbers of working class (transcended into pensioners, welfare class and middle class bogans). Sure they manage to create a noticeable dung ball, but it's still a ball of **** that seems to betray its once admirable totems.

Tisme: What Labor need is Paul Keating. I need Paul Keating
:D
 
Agreed. They are going down to route of social inclusion by quota and the talent base is being eroded.

I can't see see any Hawkes, Keatings, Wrans or Whitlams in the Labor Party these days, just bland Billy and his bunch of social whingers.

Jeez you two, I'm starting to warm to you, I'm misting up.

Labor have got to get out of the 1950's thought pattern, of take from Peter and give to Paul, you end up with everyone poor like Paul.
When you should be trying, to make it easier, for Paul to become a Peter.
The only way for poor people to get out of poverty, is to find them paid work, to do that you have to develop jobs.
You can't just give them more and more money, when you aren't increasing the financial monetary base, you are just moving the chairs around.
In the end you run out of chairs, and everyone has the same amount of chairs, you need to make more chairs.
I wish silly Billy could see that, at least Albo, let the cat out of the bag.
Anyway I'm just a pleb paddling his own canoe.
 
I wonder if he ever ponders what happens to those populations of muslims that seem to just vanish in China.

for those who are blocked:

"

China cannot continue to rise the way that it has within a West-designed world order, in a Western-designed global financial system, and in a West-controlled international legal trade structure dominated and controlled by Western powers....

The only way for China to reach its potential is for China to force a change to the rules and create a new world order... The rules have to change...

[China] needs greater control of the global media which it plans. Global media and the engine of social media are in the hands of China’s opponents. The Arab Spring has seen the power of Western propaganda satellites in manipulating and misinforming the public leading the Arab world to chaos and the result has been death and destruction. Today China has been able to block that intrusion into China’s internal affairs....


Moselmane's conspiracy theories and antagonism to the West is of deep concern, coming from an Australian politician.

Does he not think the Chinese communists actually have too much control over the media, imposing harsh censorship? Does he not think that China is actually smashing the world order by stealing the South China Sea, to the especial disadvantage not of the West but of China's Asian neighbours - Vietnam and the Philippines? Does he not see that China's astonishing rise has in fact created under the "Western" system he now denounces? Does he not see that China is actually a communist dictatorship?
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Maybe it's just Murdoch's way of telling Beijing that they should have been nicer to him when he attempted to jump into bed with them back in the 90s.

Big mistake comrades. You could have a Rupee touch indoctrinating your peasants then, and now, a potential reach across the world with a seat or two on the Disney or Comcast/Fox media empire.
 
China is getting into big problem with debt.

But if they just decide not to repay it, who is going to argue ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-...war-is-massive-debt-a-bigger-problem/10055192

Good article.

It appear that Trump's tariffs is more of a tax on American consumers than hitting China where it hurt.

Guess you can't make general statements, but not all debt are bad. Particularly if you're the guy printing the money to repay it with.

So if China's debt were, mainly, spent towards those high speed rails, standard rail and freight; roads and tunnels that cut a typical commute from 8 hours down to 2 say. The eventual return will pay for itself.

There are ghost cities and empty buildings... maybe on a larger scale but we also have them here. There's a couple new blocks near where I live that were built some 6 months ago. About 1/3rd to 1/2 have their lights on in the evening.
 
When I was in Malaysia a couple of weekends ago, we caught a taxi from Singapore, to Legoland.
On the way, when we crossed the causeway there was a lot of new apartments being built, also around Legoland there were new empty apartments.
I asked the driver, why so many new apartments, he said they are being built by the Chinese. The Malaysian Government lets them build apartment buildings, as long as the Chinese Government put in new toll roads and infrastructure.
Now I'm back in Australia, it seems Victoria, is going down the same path.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...ecret-chinese-trade-deal-20181106-p50eaf.html

I certainly hope, they write up tighter contracts, than are usual for Australian Governments.
What was the old saying? "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"
I don't think this will end well. :roflmao:
 
When I was in Malaysia a couple of weekends ago, we caught a taxi from Singapore, to Legoland.
On the way, when we crossed the causeway there was a lot of new apartments being built, also around Legoland there were new empty apartments.
I asked the driver, why so many new apartments, he said they are being built by the Chinese. The Malaysian Government lets them build apartment buildings, as long as the Chinese Government put in new toll roads and infrastructure.
Now I'm back in Australia, it seems Victoria, is going down the same path.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...ecret-chinese-trade-deal-20181106-p50eaf.html

I certainly hope, they write up tighter contracts, than are usual for Australian Governments.
What was the old saying? "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"
I don't think this will end well. :roflmao:

I'm sure they'll write it pretty tight. Else it'll be a hard sell to consult to China about untangling it.
 
Who the hell wants these people owning or ruling the world?
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Disturbing footage shows staff at a Chinese company drinking urine and being whipped after ‘failing to reach their sales targets’. They were filmed performing the sickening acts inside the office of a decorating company based in Zunyi city, in southwestern Guizhou Province. The workers were also reportedly ordered to eat cockroaches by the management, who believed they had let the team down.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/06/chin...rink-urine-as-punishment-8111983/?ito=cbshare

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Who the hell wants these people owning or ruling the world?
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Disturbing footage shows staff at a Chinese company drinking urine and being whipped after ‘failing to reach their sales targets’. They were filmed performing the sickening acts inside the office of a decorating company based in Zunyi city, in southwestern Guizhou Province. The workers were also reportedly ordered to eat cockroaches by the management, who believed they had let the team down.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/06/chin...rink-urine-as-punishment-8111983/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
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That's just nuts. Workers must be very desperate to put up with that crap.

Strange how a "socialist" country doesn't have any workers' rights or unions.

Unfortunately those who own or rule the world often do so because they're psychotic greedy little bastards who have no problem with these kind of stuff.

Just saw a compilation of what [looks like Chinese, some SE/Asians] doing to the meat and fisheries before they bring to market.

Smaller meats/carcasses gets injected with some liquid to pump them up, increase the weight. Bigger meats goes on a conveyor belt and have presses injecting crap into them before being packed.
 
That's just nuts. Workers must be very desperate to put up with that crap.

Strange how a "socialist" country doesn't have any workers' rights or unions.

Unfortunately those who own or rule the world often do so because they're psychotic greedy little bastards who have no problem with these kind of stuff.

Just saw a compilation of what [looks like Chinese, some SE/Asians] doing to the meat and fisheries before they bring to market.

Smaller meats/carcasses gets injected with some liquid to pump them up, increase the weight. Bigger meats goes on a conveyor belt and have presses injecting crap into them before being packed.
Yes, and just as funny, how we criticise our Country.
Just shows, it is really hard to be happy grasshopper.
Maybe no matter how good life is, we look for the down side, who knows maybe drugs are the answer, then everyone is happy and just need food and shelter?
Obviously asking people to be responsible, doesn't work.
 
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