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Will China end up owning the World?

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noirua said:
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#XiJinping says strong navy serves as a key guarantee to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation http://xhne.ws/jwQYw
Need to build a strong navy has never been more urgent than today, says President Xi when reviewing navy http://xhne.ws/sPvXc
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Where's Cher? :D

What's with the uniform though. Are they expecting the troops to be in the literal water all day, hence the camouflage?
 
Tisme said:
I suggest navies will sooner than later go the way of the HMS Hood.
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Didn't some Yank wrote that very influential book on the necessity for serious naval power if one hope to project power, I mean, freedom, around the world?

Rome was a little hamlet before it stole that Greek (?) warship design and within a generation controls the Mediterraneans. The Poms and most of Europe would still be in the Dark Ages if they didn't have a few vessels mapping the world. The Yanks would still be around the other side of the world etc. etc.

Yea... maybe planes and drones mean naval power is less relevant... But then there are those trade routes to protect; landing troops and supplies to fight on other people's land (and break their stuff) rather than on the homeland.
 
luutzu said:
Yea... maybe planes and drones mean naval power is less relevant...
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Armies of drones and killer robots armed with chemical weapons means everything else is irrelevant. Best we can hope for is a stalemate. The nuclear arms race will be a mere blip compared to the advanced AI race.

I notice Vanuatu was conquered last night. 'Soft conquering' is the new thing because no one will stand up to you. Move in under the premise of "helping the natives build infrastructure", then set about constructing a huge military base on Australia's doorstep.
 
dutchie said:
China will take over the world very easily. The US is soooooo weak.

College Installs "Cry Closet" As Safe Space For Student Snowflakes

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-25/college-installs-cry-closet-safe-space-student-snowflakes
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Can't cry properly in that though. No sound insulation at all from the side view.

Looks like a prank though.

China is doing its second round of raising another $19Billion for its domestic chip industry. No more reliance on AMD and Intel soon enough.
 
luutzu said:
Didn't some Yank wrote that very influential book on the necessity for serious naval power if one hope to project power, I mean, freedom, around the world?

Rome was a little hamlet before it stole that Greek (?) warship design and within a generation controls the Mediterraneans. The Poms and most of Europe would still be in the Dark Ages if they didn't have a few vessels mapping the world. The Yanks would still be around the other side of the world etc. etc.

Yea... maybe planes and drones mean naval power is less relevant... But then there are those trade routes to protect; landing troops and supplies to fight on other people's land (and break their stuff) rather than on the homeland.
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Arsenal worked well for the Venetians until the New World became the place to be and Britain invented the industrial revolution in the late 1600s, early 1700s.
 
Tisme said:
Arsenal worked well for the Venetians until the New World became the place to be and Britain invented the industrial revolution in the late 1600s, early 1700s.
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Don't know much about the Venetians beside them being forced to live among the marshes... that and invented the Croissant to celebrate the end/expulsion of the Muslim in Spain [?].

btw, did you know that the Chinese also have Outlaws of the Marsh, aka "All man are brothers"... during the end of the Tang Dynasty [700AD?] :D


Just check out Wikipedia and the Poms did kick off the Industrial Revolution, but around 1760s to the 1800s. I think they just got off the self torturing and burning of witches around the 1600s :D

But yea, the Poms are alright. Some great achievements from such a tiny outpost of well spoken people.

I thought it was Gutenberg [German?] and his printing press that kind of started the Industrial Revolution... and it was the Yank, Eli Whitney [?] and his cotton gin, then his mass produced, interchangeable rifle manufacturing process - which I heard was practically what made it possible to kick the Poms out of the colonies for good in 1812...

From that, then the butchers then Henry Ford perfect mass production through their specialised stations and production line... that results in today's cookie cutter goods, and services.

So it was the Yank that really... wait... there's that pin example in Adam Smith's classic I've only read a few pages of. But he's a Scot soo...

But then White people all look the same to me so alright, that's Britain 1: China 5000 :D
 
luutzu said:
Don't know much about the Venetians beside them being forced to live among the marshes... that and invented the Croissant to celebrate the end/expulsion of the Muslim in Spain [?].

btw, did you know that the Chinese also have Outlaws of the Marsh, aka "All man are brothers"... during the end of the Tang Dynasty [700AD?] :D


Just check out Wikipedia and the Poms did kick off the Industrial Revolution, but around 1760s to the 1800s. I think they just got off the self torturing and burning of witches around the 1600s :D

But yea, the Poms are alright. Some great achievements from such a tiny outpost of well spoken people.

I thought it was Gutenberg [German?] and his printing press that kind of started the Industrial Revolution... and it was the Yank, Eli Whitney [?] and his cotton gin, then his mass produced, interchangeable rifle manufacturing process - which I heard was practically what made it possible to kick the Poms out of the colonies for good in 1812...

From that, then the butchers then Henry Ford perfect mass production through their specialised stations and production line... that results in today's cookie cutter goods, and services.

So it was the Yank that really... wait... there's that pin example in Adam Smith's classic I've only read a few pages of. But he's a Scot soo...

But then White people all look the same to me so alright, that's Britain 1: China 5000 :D
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Before we were taught to be ashamed of our skincolour and pedigree, Australian children were taught a quaint subject labelled as social studies, history, whatever.

No matter what wiki tells you, the industrial revolution had its beginnings in circa 1700. The American colonies became supply sides for the British machine and continued to be well after the civil war (Revolutionary War).

Arsenal is an island which produced state of the art war ships that continuously evolved to outpace other Mediterranean powers. It was fortified against secret stealing.

Yes I'm sure the Chinese invented Venice by virtue of the silk road,, which must have taken a lot of silkworms to build,;)
 
Tisme said:
Before we were taught to be ashamed of our skincolour and pedigree, Australian children were taught a quaint subject labelled as social studies, history, whatever.

No matter what wiki tells you, the industrial revolution had its beginnings in circa 1700. The American colonies became supply sides for the British machine and continued to be well after the civil war (Revolutionary War).

Arsenal is an island which produced state of the art war ships that continuously evolved to outpace other Mediterranean powers. It was fortified against secret stealing.

Yes I'm sure the Chinese invented Venice by virtue of the silk road,, which must have taken a lot of silkworms to build,;)
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Yes, most of the world and its riches became supply side to British and European imperialism. Which kind of prove that all you need to rule the world is good arms and... maybe a religious text.

The Silk Road weren't made of silk. It's mainly to transport goods out of China and silver and gold back into it. The most valuable good being silk, hence... yea, I know you know. But probably don't realise that that road made many of the ancient world's trading centres what they were.

btw, is that where the word "arsenal" came from?

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Can't really call the Revolutionary War the a civil war... I guess that's why the yank don't call it the First Civil War.

Read Ben Franklin's bio and his retelling of his return to Boston (from Philadelphia) with a "foreign" currency that impresses his neighbours. Those from Boston consider those from another colony as foreigners... different laws, currency, people from various European states helps too.

In fact, Ken Burns The Civil War was saying that the United States weren't really a united state until after the Civil War... and that was when the US was maybe half the size it is today. I mean, Jackson haven't yet driven the Spaniards out of Florida, Cuba wasn't yet taken... Texas and the West weren't yet annexed from Mexico etc. etc.

So to say that the Revolutionary War with 13 tiny colonies against crazy George was a civil war might imply the taking of credit for what the Yank and their spirit for freedom and democracy do after the poms were kicked out.
 
luutzu said:
Yes, most of the world and its riches became supply side to British and European imperialism. Which kind of prove that all you need to rule the world is good arms and... maybe a religious text.

The Silk Road weren't made of silk. It's mainly to transport goods out of China and silver and gold back into it. The most valuable good being silk, hence... yea, I know you know. But probably don't realise that that road made many of the ancient world's trading centres what they were.

btw, is that where the word "arsenal" came from?

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Can't really call the Revolutionary War the a civil war... I guess that's why the yank don't call it the First Civil War.

Read Ben Franklin's bio and his retelling of his return to Boston (from Philadelphia) with a "foreign" currency that impresses his neighbours. Those from Boston consider those from another colony as foreigners... different laws, currency, people from various European states helps too.

In fact, Ken Burns The Civil War was saying that the United States weren't really a united state until after the Civil War... and that was when the US was maybe half the size it is today. I mean, Jackson haven't yet driven the Spaniards out of Florida, Cuba wasn't yet taken... Texas and the West weren't yet annexed from Mexico etc. etc.

So to say that the Revolutionary War with 13 tiny colonies against crazy George was a civil war might imply the taking of credit for what the Yank and their spirit for freedom and democracy do after the poms were kicked out.
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Of course it was a civil war ....... even back then the Yanks did their best to put spin on fact. Revolutions are political upheavals for political change, whereas civil wars are civic upheavals for individual and collective rights.
 
Tisme said:
Of course it was a civil war ....... even back then the Yanks did their best to put spin on fact. Revolutions are political upheavals for political change, whereas civil wars are civic upheavals for individual and collective rights.
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But by your definition above, wouldn't it be a revolutionary war and not a civil one?

Thereafter came president Washington, not King Washington. i.e. the entire political structure was changed. I know, not all men were created equal after the poms were kicked out... some men were still superior to others. But the ruling elite did take turn running the place, giving pretence to democracy and having elections... King George and the poms decided to scour the Pacific for their new supply source.
 
luutzu said:
But by your definition above, wouldn't it be a revolutionary war and not a civil one?

Thereafter came president Washington, not King Washington. i.e. the entire political structure was changed. I know, not all men were created equal after the poms were kicked out... some men were still superior to others. But the ruling elite did take turn running the place, giving pretence to democracy and having elections... King George and the poms decided to scour the Pacific for their new supply source.
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No. You should acknowledge the phrase "War of Independence" to give it real meaning.

In regards to traitor Washington, he was a rather useless tactician for large scale war and nearly ended the fracas before it could start by exposing his army to be encircled in the battle of New York by Gen Howe and Gen Burgoyne ... it was only because Howe thought Burgoyne had it in the bag that he sent his troops down to Pennsylvania instead. Washington even conceded he was toast if it wasn't for Howe's procrastination and arrogance.

You also have to also remember that the British army was in no small way comprised of local free settler loyalists....civilian against civilian, with rice plantation owners and slave owners, French and Russians stumping up for the rebellion.

The POMS didn't need to go looking elsewhere for trade and power, they already had India in the bag since QE1 gave them permission in 1600 and eventually winning the Carnatic, Plassey and Buxar wars there, while trying to put up with <chant> USA USA</chant> taking the consequent advantage.

British history is so much more interesting and gallant than the myths USA kids are subsumed into from the cradle.
 
Bipartisan reply to China is a triumph we’ll need to repeat
Greg Sheridan - The Australian

"The efforts of the intelligence committee chairman, the Liberals’ Andrew Hastie, and his Labor deputy, Anthony Byrne, have been hard-headed, conscientious and put the national interest first. At a time when politics seems feral, tribal, atomised and frequently deranged, this cold, hard, bipartisan approach on national security is something like the nation at its best."

(my bolds)

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...t/news-story/9c6e744a2d1b94404fd6197e15eeabda

Keep up the good work Australia.
 
dutchie said:
Bipartisan reply to China is a triumph we’ll need to repeat
Greg Sheridan - The Australian

"The efforts of the intelligence committee chairman, the Liberals’ Andrew Hastie, and his Labor deputy, Anthony Byrne, have been hard-headed, conscientious and put the national interest first. At a time when politics seems feral, tribal, atomised and frequently deranged, this cold, hard, bipartisan approach on national security is something like the nation at its best."

(my bolds)

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...t/news-story/9c6e744a2d1b94404fd6197e15eeabda

Keep up the good work Australia.
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Hooray for two Australians who have a sense of pride in our country. Dare I say it again,...... politicians should be generational Australians who aren't infected by their foreign ancestral roots.

Anthony Byrne has a remarkable handle on matters security.
 
I think China, has grown to enjoy the trappings of 'capitalism lite', their objectives are being achieved.
They are changing a poverty riddled, over populated Country, into an industrial power house in an amazingly short period of time.
This has been mainly achieved by overseas companies, taking their manufacturing to China, due to cheap labour costs and Chinese Government incentives.
Now that China, as Japan did in the 1960's, has generated its own market and manufacturing plants.
The U.S and just about everyone else, wants them to back of, I don't think China wants to back off. lol
 

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