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Health Reform: Where is it heading?

New tax on ciggies and correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t this Malcolm Turnbulls idea:cautious:
 
New tax on ciggies and correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t this Malcolm Turnbulls idea:cautious:

Dunno, but I applauded the idea when Howard increased it and I'll applaud it again now (whoever's idea it is) since some smokers are price sensitive and it seems a small percentge give up after each price rise.

Also heard the Brisbane city council was going to have another go at abolishing smoking in the Queen Street Mall. Don't know if they have this time, but I hated going into the mall and being sufficated by all the smokers ducking outside into the mall for a quickie and poluting the air.
 
New tax on ciggies and correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t this Malcolm Turnbulls idea:cautious:

You are probably right. He and Rudd are both millionaires, and they couldn't care less that the heavier smokers are in the lower socio-economic groups; the ones who can least afford a higher tax slug.
 
You on the other hand fall over your own feet in your haste to criticise and nit-pick anyone that gets up your nose and what's worse you obviously don't bother to get your facts right before you put hypercritical mouth/mind into gear..

That description fits you perfectly. Couldn't have described you better myself. Well done. And it's good to see that you can rave on without resorting to your usual gutter language.
 
You are probably right. He and Rudd are both millionaires, and they couldn't care less that the heavier smokers are in the lower socio-economic groups; the ones who can least afford a higher tax slug.

I think you have your priorities all wrong and looking at it the wrong way there Calliope.

Surely what they (smokers) can least afford, for the best interests of their family, is higher medical expenses, higher medical insurance and shorter life expectancy.

Surely what the country can least afford is all these self inflicted and easily avoidable extra medical conditions from smoking clogging up our emergency and hospital system.
 
I think you have your priorities all wrong and looking at it the wrong way there Calliope.

Surely what they (smokers) can least afford, for the best interests of their family, is higher medical expenses, higher medical insurance and shorter life expectancy.

Surely what the country can least afford is all these self inflicted and easily avoidable extra medical conditions from smoking clogging up our emergency and hospital system.

I have no priorities in this matter at all. Like Rudd, Turnbull and you I lose little sleep over what their addiction costs them.
 
Dunno, but I applauded the idea when Howard increased it and I'll applaud it again now (whoever's idea it is) since some smokers are price sensitive and it seems a small percentge give up after each price rise.

Also heard the Brisbane city council was going to have another go at abolishing smoking in the Queen Street Mall. Don't know if they have this time, but I hated going into the mall and being sufficated by all the smokers ducking outside into the mall for a quickie and poluting the air.

I agree. It's annoying being in a room or in a car with smokers. Imo a good way of pushing more people to quit. Not to mention extra revenue which I hope is used wisely :rolleyes:
 
The medicos attitude to Rudd's proposed health care legislation

The Australian Medical Association has weighed in on the new Rudd health care proposals .........

The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.
The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, "Oh, Grow up!"

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the radiologists could see right through it.
Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow,and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter...."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.
The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to all the a**holes in Canberra.
 
The medicos attitude to Rudd's proposed health care legislation

The Australian Medical Association has weighed in on the new Rudd health care proposals .........

The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.
The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, "Oh, Grow up!"



The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the radiologists could see right through it.
Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow,and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter...."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.
The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to all the a**holes in Canberra.

Bunyip, a master piece of literature. LOL.
 
Sums it up pretty well I would have thought?
 

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lol, yes I don't know if it's just me, but there seems to be quite a disparity between labour and lib/nat bashing. ;)

But on a serious note I'm waiting for some decent technological innovations in health administration. From my experience this is where there is probably the most scope for efficiencies in the system. Things like centralised or portable patient (and health staff) records to avoid delays and duplication of processes etc when patients are referred to or processed to different sections of the system.

Maybe a centralised database like our tax and centrelink records easily available to all authorised personell, to minimise wasted time, duplication, expense and the bureaucracy of administritive paper shufflers.

There are still doctors out there who don't use computerised patient files, just the old paper copy including srcipts, referrals, blood test, xray requests and results etc.

Well, looks like it's coming... but, lets hope this e-tag thing works properly (better than the new Qld payroll system at least) and it's rolled out properly by the gov.

http://www.news-mail.com.au/story/2010/05/06/patients-doctors-to-be-e-tagged-report/
 

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Privacy is a thing of the past (if it ever really existed). There is too much data out there on all of us and the collection and storage of it will only increase and expand. The only way to ensure your information remains private in this digital age is not to surrender it in the first place; something it is virtually impossible to do.
 
I find the medicare debate interesting, due to my personal experience, in a lot of ways i feel the introduction of medicare just started the medi cost snowballing.
Pre medicare, health insurance was relatively cheap, as soon as medicare was introduced the costs just keep ballooning.
Some would say pre medicare, the poor didn't have access to medical attention, however from my understanding that isn't true the cost was just a part of consolidated revenue.
Since the intervention of medicare, the costs have gone stupid and I would think some could be attributed to the " I've paid for it, I'll use it mantra".
The reason I've thrown this up, is due to this ABC report.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...ime-to-scrap-rebates/9405542?section=analysis
I've paid private health since leaving school, it currently costs me about $4,700/yr, I certainly am weighing up the benefit ATM.
 
I find the medicare debate interesting, due to my personal experience, in a lot of ways i feel the introduction of medicare just started the medi cost snowballing.
Pre medicare, health insurance was relatively cheap, as soon as medicare was introduced the costs just keep ballooning.
Some would say pre medicare, the poor didn't have access to medical attention, however from my understanding that isn't true the cost was just a part of consolidated revenue.
Since the intervention of medicare, the costs have gone stupid and I would think some could be attributed to the " I've paid for it, I'll use it mantra".
The reason I've thrown this up, is due to this ABC report.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...ime-to-scrap-rebates/9405542?section=analysis
I've paid private health since leaving school, it currently costs me about $4,700/yr, I certainly am weighing up the benefit ATM.

Look into the US system where it's mainly private insurers. Their costs, to the consumers, is twice the developed economies...

We all paid for medical insurance in either system, just with Medicare, it's a whole lot cheaper because everyone's covered. So the young and sick who aren't earning enough would still be covered. The able and earning but aren't often sick, are still covered... yes, they're "disadvantaged" in that they have to pay when they don't even use it. But we all grow old and we can get sick or injured at any moment.

Don't go the privatisation route. It'll make insurers insanely rich, the majority of the population either sick or dying or paying through the nose. Often it's both.
 
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