Will China end up owning the World?

[luutzu]

North Korea seems rather pallid pink to me?

There's only so much Lil'Kim can eat. You don't want to kill the guy, I mean, he doesn't look in shape to have offspring anytime soon and if he goes, the Yank will be right on the border and you'd have to fight it head on.

 

[luutzu]

I'm guessing we inputted the the following into and equation, it might be interesting

Greek Empire 340 years
Roman Empire 500 years Pax 200 years
British Empire 400 years Pax 100 years
American Eempire 100 years Pax 70 years

If Uncle Rupee's success and failure is any guide, the Chinese really know how to take people's money and gave them diddly in return.

Rupert tried to enter China as he did with the US and the UK.

Who's dictating good taste and national pride in those countries?

Well, for his billions spent, the Chinese gave him a wife. Here, you take. She treat you real nice.

 

[sptrawler]

Iuutzu,
China fought of the Japanese, with the help of the U.S and Russia, in the second world war.
I'm not trying to be derogatory of the Chinese, far from it, they haven't instigated many international conflicts at all.
It would appear the only time they have got agro, is about the South China sea.
I think they are playing the long game, and it will be interesting to see, how the established Western cultures combat it.
The established western capitalist systems work on a principle of, who ever can afford it, buys it.
That is great, until the competition has has a whole lot more money than you, then they can just buy up your competition. LOL
Then when they own all your profit making companies, what do you do?
Well bottom line, you become just another 3rd world labour market.LOL

 

[luutzu]

Iuutzu,
China fought of the Japanese, with the help of the U.S and Russia, in the second world war.
I'm not trying to be derogatory of the Chinese, far from it, they haven't instigated many international conflicts at all.
It would appear the only time they have got agro, is about the South China sea.
I think they are playing the long game, and it will be interesting to see, how the established Western cultures combat it.
The established western capitalist systems work on a principle of, who ever can afford it, buys it.
That is great, until the competition has has a whole lot more money than you, then they can just buy up your competition. LOL
Then when they own all your profit making companies, what do you do?
Well bottom line, you become just another 3rd world labour market.LOL

Yea, true, they are definitely playing the long game.

The one good thing about China vs the West, at least the capitalist West as we've come to be taught past few decades, is that the Chinese culture do not put merchants on top of the ladder.

Capitalists countries for some reason make it a good and great thing to be greedy and individualistic.

I mean, not that the Chinese aren't greedy or self-interested... I've met a few Mainland tourists myself and they have a talent for jumping queues and ignoring your Oi! WTF?

But yea, the Chinese can buy and own most of our national assets... but that doesn't make much difference nowadays. I mean, what self-respecting billionaire pay proper taxes to their country anyway. And what kind of CEO or Board would reject a takeover offer 30% above prevailing market capitalisation.

We're fast approaching a 3rd world status because the enterprising elite got our politicians by the short and curleys. That and most politicians like it that way anyway so we peasants are stuffed.

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As to the US and Russia/Soviets helping China defeating Imperial Japan... yes and no.

They did help but pretty much help Sun Yat Sen's Republican army. And they didn't step up the effort until after the two nukes on Japan anyway.

By then, post '45... The US/West was helping Sun's capitalist successor Chiang Kai Sek [?] against the Godless commies Mao and his band of peasants.

Stalin help Mao... and actually advised him to let the South go to Chiang.

Mao knew that that's how you divide and weaken a united China... Chiang knew it too but something, something he lost to Mao and retreated to Taiwan and rule that island as "China".

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Yea, China just took the two seas and all the fisheries, resources and other people's stuff within it.
It's quite a clever move. Very rare to take so vast an area with barely a few shots fired. Well, a few (South) VNese soldiers died back in the 1970s trying to defend some part of it to themselves but Uncle Sam tell them to back off. Something they shouldn't have done, maybe?

Now both sides are giving foreign "aid" the VN and the Phillipines. Whoever accept one side over the other get to catch cancer or a democratic uprising

 

[vivazebull]

It seems like China have many long term strategies. I haven't even passed first year business but at the current clip, if I was one of those "imperialism under the guise of Marxism" types, I would be tempted to wait for the Western companies to automate themselves to an impoverished consumer base, then start offloading government bonds, or swooping in on the resulting lower markets, as things like consumer purchasing power and property markets suffer from a growing army of welfare recipients who have been automated out of a job. The potential of the work being done by FBR is one of many examples of future labor market threats, and long term I can see many people will seek the services of companies like FLN out of desperation as things become more competitive. Ultimately, IVC will profit from the whole shebang for a while yet, as grim as I may sound.
The good 'ol bible hints about the Yanks uniting with the Vatican at the end, it would discredit a lot of theology scholars if that doesn't eventuate, but I suppose they are just the fairies at the bottom of the garden anyways.
My two cents.

 

[dutchie]

"BEIJING has accused the Australian media of “paranoid” and “racist” reporting on China, amid growing concerns in Australia over Chinese interference.

“[We] suggest the Australian government and the media that they should uphold the principle of truth from facts and reject political prejudices and paranoia when handling relations with China,” according to an op-ed in the People’s Daily, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, on Monday."

Ha ha ha ha ha , rofl, ha ha ha ha ha, rofl, ha ha
Best laugh of the year.
Most paranoid and racist country in the world tells us off!
Ha ha ha ha ha , rofl, ha ha ha ha ha, rofl, ha ha

Talk about losing face spouting that sort of drivel.


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...a/news-story/4cc8d70b3797447cb65ca90b0398ae8d

 

[dutchie]

China may not own the world but it may own us if we are not vigilant.

All Chinese donations must be rejected, especially to politicians.

The Chinese Communist Party's power and influence in Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...rtys-power-and-influence-in-australia/8584270

Part of this campaign involves attempts to influence Australian politicians via political donors closely aligned with the Communist Party — something that causes serious concern to Australia's security agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

But some of the 1 million ethnic Chinese living in Australia are also targets of the Communist Party's influence operations.

On university campuses, in the Chinese-language media and in some community groups, the party is mounting an influence-and-control operation among its diaspora that is far greater in scale and, at its worst, much nastier than any other nation deploys.

In China, it is known as qiaowu.

(my bolds)

 

[dutchie]

China has no respect for the rest of the world.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...iolate-taiwanese-korean-and-japanese-airspace

Chinese Fighters Violate Taiwanese, Korean And Japanese Airspace

In keeping with China’s strategy of methodically encroaching on its geopolitical rivals via air force and naval drills in the Pacific, both Japan and South Korea scrambled fighter jets earlier this week as China suddenly expanded the scope of naval drills being held in the waters off the Korean peninsula.



Do we want this rogue country to interfere with our sovereignty?

 

[Tisme]

China may not own the world but it may own us if we are not vigilant.

All Chinese donations must be rejected, especially to politicians.

The Chinese Communist Party's power and influence in Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...rtys-power-and-influence-in-australia/8584270

Part of this campaign involves attempts to influence Australian politicians via political donors closely aligned with the Communist Party — something that causes serious concern to Australia's security agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

But some of the 1 million ethnic Chinese living in Australia are also targets of the Communist Party's influence operations.

On university campuses, in the Chinese-language media and in some community groups, the party is mounting an influence-and-control operation among its diaspora that is far greater in scale and, at its worst, much nastier than any other nation deploys.

In China, it is known as qiaowu.

(my bolds)

If Americans started buying houses and migrating to Oz in the same number as the recent Chinese, we'd all be asking ourselves why it's happening and what the agenda is. It seems that no one appreciates the perennial psyche of "china homeland first" and the duty to its prosperity at the expense of foreigners.

 

[dutchie]

Chinese blackmail.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/00558abc6d9011bc8f4ef7e2ed63d70f


"Chinese officials have warned of a consumer-led boycott of Australian products following the breakdown in relations between the two countries, fuelled by Malcolm Turnbull’s foreign interference laws and pushback against Chinese influence in the Asia-Pacific region.

The Australian understands there have been talks in China about indirectly pulling economic levers — potentially targeting consumer products, tourism and education — that could threaten Australian industry and businesses. The Chinese warning, which would mirror a boycott of products imported from The Philippines after the countries fell out over South China Sea sovereignty claims, was levelled at Australia in the wake of deteriorating diplomatic relations between Beijing and Canberra."

Look we've got to keep letting China spy on us and letting them influence our politicians, if we want to keep selling them stuff.

Charming country.

 

[luutzu]

Chinese blackmail.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/00558abc6d9011bc8f4ef7e2ed63d70f


"Chinese officials have warned of a consumer-led boycott of Australian products following the breakdown in relations between the two countries, fuelled by Malcolm Turnbull’s foreign interference laws and pushback against Chinese influence in the Asia-Pacific region.

The Australian understands there have been talks in China about indirectly pulling economic levers — potentially targeting consumer products, tourism and education — that could threaten Australian industry and businesses. The Chinese warning, which would mirror a boycott of products imported from The Philippines after the countries fell out over South China Sea sovereignty claims, was levelled at Australia in the wake of deteriorating diplomatic relations between Beijing and Canberra."

Look we've got to keep letting China spy on us and letting them influence our politicians, if we want to keep selling them stuff.

Charming country.

All countries tries to pull that on every other country. So don't take it personally. That and it'd be considered traitorous if their spies and diplomats don't do what their leaders think is best for the "national" interests.

Second, if our politicians and "servants" can be influenced and bought... maybe the guilty party is one that neglect their duties and serve two masters... well, one master, the one with a bigger cash offer.

 

[sptrawler]

There is talk of a new landing strip being built in the W.A wheat belt, to take International flights if Perth is fogged in, for the London / Perth long haul flights.
I wonder if China will stump up the money? apparently they own Merredin airport, for pilot training.
I'm sure they would find the money to upgrade to International standard, for a lease agreement.

https://thewest.com.au/business/avi...edin-airport-sparks-controversy-ng-b88705220z

 

[luutzu]

South to North water transfer.

Looks impressive. Wow!

A few years ago some US strategic analyst was saying that China is running out of water... which I think was true at the time. But these kind of projects might change that dynamic in a hurry.

They might even drain and divert water from Tibet and those mountains. Starving the Mekong and stuff.

 

[noirua]

In terms of area alone China is a small country compared with Russia. At some stage Russia will harness more energy from the sun and seas and build enclosed or underground cities in Siberia.

 

[luutzu]

In terms of area alone China is a small country compared with Russia. At some stage Russia will harness more energy from the sun and seas and build enclosed or underground cities in Siberia.

Yea true. But they got to survive the current trade and military wars with the US and its allies first.

Heard that China practically own Siberia already. It's so far from Moscow and so close to Beijing, with trade and Chinese investments flooding the place it might as well be China's.

Maybe I don't read enough Australian stuff, but it doesn't sound like we're doing too many great things lately.

The NBN is, I guess, chugging along. There's a few sets of rolling stocks and tramlines. And I supposed there's all those new apartment blocks...

Really need one of those major, mind boggling projects to inspire the masses... and maybe even be useful and productive.

 

[Redbeard]

Yep!!!!!!!

 

[Redbeard]

This sort of **** going on in Melbourne infuriates me. I don't live in such a salubrious suburb as Toorak, but the way these Chinese come in and do this is just so goddamn offensive. A magnificent old home levelled. They have no concept of architectural beauty, nor appreciation of nature.

Unfortunately thats because of the rules surrounding their "investment" into Australia (set up by the immigration/tax/customs depts) which says investments can only be on new buildings ,, so they flatten the old one!

 

[Redbeard]

Its all about rules ,, we let them do it , so they do... If we goto China/Asia they dont let us, so we dont.
In most Asian countries , foreigners cannot buy actual "dirt". Its just banned plain and simple... but no-one calls them racists, they just accept it. Would you like to buy a house block 1km from the city centre for 200K? Yes ,, but you cant only local can.
IMO --- QUID PRO QUO... if I let you do it in my country I should be able to do it in your country.

 

[noirua]

#XiJinping says strong navy serves as a key guarantee to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation http://xhne.ws/jwQYw
Need to build a strong navy has never been more urgent than today, says President Xi when reviewing navy http://xhne.ws/sPvXc

 

[Tisme]

#XiJinping says strong navy serves as a key guarantee to achieve the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation http://xhne.ws/jwQYw
Need to build a strong navy has never been more urgent than today, says President Xi when reviewing navy http://xhne.ws/sPvXc

I suggest navies will sooner than later go the way of the HMS Hood.