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sptrawler said:
Like I've said, people need to get over the hysteria, it usually ends up being storm in a tea cup.
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It was the hysteria from 2010-2013 that got us in this mess, go and read the start of the thread and you'll see the storm in the tea cup you refer to.
 
I must admit San Fran's internet was woeful for me last visit, however did they not consider consulting with the inventor of the internet before going down this path:

https://www.wired.com/story/san-francisco-municipal-fiber/

Last week, San Francisco became the first major city in America to pledge to connect all of its homes and businesses to a fiber optic network.

I urge you to read that sentence again. It’s a ray of light. In an era of short-term, deeply partisan do-nothing-ism, the city's straightforward, deeply practical determination shines. Americans, it turns out, are capable of great things—even if only at the city level these days....................................
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drsmith said:
When you look ad data as to the level of service being ordered, ~80% with an FTTP connection are ordering either a 12 or 25Mbps service.

https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report 30 June 2017.pdf

When compared to the table at the 7-minute mark of the first of the two video links above, this hasn't materially changed over the past two years.

What this illustrates is that the vast majority of those connecting don't wish to pay for the difference between an FTTN and FTTP service. Of interest with the rest is that ~4% are ordering 50Mbps and ~16% 100Mbps. It would be interesting to know more about the demographics of the 16% to understand where the best economic case lies for FTTP (or other techs that have the potential to offer 100Mbps+).
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NBN Wholesale Market Indicators to Sept 30 has been published by the ACCC.

https://www.accc.gov.au/regulated-i...bn-wholesale-market-indicators-report/reports

Penetration of 50+mbps active services on the FTTP network is still around 20% of active services (19.6% compared to 19.3% at June 30). Also of interest, penetration of 50+mbps active services on the HFC network is 23.5% at Sept 30 compared to 26.4% at June 30.

On CVC capacity purchased by the RSP's,

ACCC Chair Rod Sims latched onto the report showing the average National Broadband Network (NBN) CVC bought by retailers per users increasing from 1.09Mbps to 1.11Mbps.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/accc-sees-nbn-hope-in-tiny-cvc-increase/
 
Tisme said:
There is talk that the NBN will start a retro rollout of light pipes to the curb where premises neighbourhoods are unable to get fast speeds because the copper can't handle the higher frequencies of the VDSL network versus adsl. Time frame = who knows
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Legacy copper services such as ADSL will be switched off after an 18-month migration window. This is covered in a link you posted back in August.

Tisme said:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/6-percent-of-fttn-nbn-connections-cannot-hit-25mbps/
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drsmith said:
Legacy copper services such as ADSL will be switched off after an 18-month migration window. This is covered in a link you posted back in August.
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It's not initial rollout, but going back to install fibre to the curb instead of to the node.
 
Interesting admonishment from a poster who presumes to be an ISP rep:

ISPSpeedTest.jpg
 
I didn't bother connecting to the NBN when the ADSL was turned off a few months ago.

Simply tethering my existing mobile phone to the PC is providing a faster service than I ever had with ADSL, faster than others seem to be getting with the NBN too, and it has added just $30 a month to the cost of the mobile data. Make that $10 once I change the plan shortly.

That approach wouldn't be suitable if I wanted to stream movies but I don't so it's working just fine for me. I know others who have done or are considering the same thing.

Now I've just got to fix the mess NBN made of the concrete path at the front of the house when they put the fibre in. Logic says I should insist they pay to fix it properly, it's a tripping hazard at the moment, but no doubt that'll end up costing me more time than just doing it myself.

I wonder how much money the contractors made out of replacing plastic pits with identical plastic pits in my street? They didn't bother with mine because it's under a tree but did the easy ones. If it wasn't for things like that the project would be considerably cheaper I'm sure.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I didn't bother connecting to the NBN when the ADSL was turned off a few months ago.

Simply tethering my existing mobile phone to the PC is providing a faster service than I ever had with ADSL, faster than others seem to be getting with the NBN too, and it has added just $30 a month to the cost of the mobile data. Make that $10 once I change the plan shortly.
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But that isn't meant to happen, you're supposed to be gagging for 100mb/s, like everyone else.Apparently. lol
It is the biggest waste of taxpayers money, in living memory.IMO
 
sptrawler said:
But that isn't meant to happen, you're supposed to be gagging for 100mb/s, like everyone else.Apparently. lol
It is the biggest waste of taxpayers money, in living memory.IMO
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You guys sound like crusty old men complaining about disc brakes, power steering, cruise control and air conditioning.
 
Tisme said:
It's not initial rollout, but going back to install fibre to the curb instead of to the node.
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Just to be clear, are you talking about where FTTN has already been rolled out or where FTTN has been planned but will be FTTC instead?
 
Smurf1976 said:
I didn't bother connecting to the NBN when the ADSL was turned off a few months ago.
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FTTN is presently being rolled out where I am. The node box that I expect to be connected to was installed last week. The service is expected to go live early next year.

My present inclination is to stay with ADSL as long as I can as I presently get 12/1 and it offers better value for money than 12/1 on NBN through the same ISP. A secondary consideration will be CVC capacity/user the ISP purchases under the present NBN wholesale pricing model. I expect to be contacted by the ISP once the NBN service is active and out of curiosity will be asking a few questions when that occurs.

A mobile only service is something I'll consider towards the end of the ADSL migration period but that will depend on the monthly quota I'm using (essentially cost relative to NBN).
 
drsmith said:
Just to be clear, are you talking about where FTTN has already been rolled out or where FTTN has been planned but will be FTTC instead?
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The tech I was talking to said, FTTC requires a 12v supply from the house, he thinks it will be doubtful it will be taken up.
If it does require a 12v supply and the copper pair can't be used, they may as well run fibre to the house.IMO
 
sptrawler said:
The tech I was talking to said, FTTC requires a 12v supply from the house, he thinks it will be doubtful it will be taken up.
If it does require a 12v supply and the copper pair can't be used, they may as well run fibre to the house.IMO
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Yes the NBN calls it "reverse-powered" DPUs.
 

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