Will China end up owning the World?

[noco]

Hard Facts on China..

In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.




New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.




There are more pigs in China than in the next
43 pork producing nations combined.


China currently has the world’s fastest train and
the world’s largest high-speed rail network.


China is currently the number one producer in the
world of wind and solar power, but don't use it
themselves. While they manufacture 80% of the
world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and
build a new coal fired power station every week.
In one year they turn on more new coal powered
electricity than Australia's total output.




China currently controls more than 90% of the
total global supply of rare earth elements.




In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th
place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific
research articles.





China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on
the entire globe.





At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04
trillion in foreign currency reserves--the largest
stockpile on the entire globe.





Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.





They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and
their output will rise 70% by 2020.
~*~*~*~*~*~And we think we're saving the planet?! It will not make
one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada,
the United States or anywhere else in the world for that
matter. All the politicians are doing is increasing our
cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive
in the world market, with their idiotic carbon tax.
When countries like China are growing and consuming
at these extraordinary rates! Time to wake up!

 

[luutzu]

Hard Facts on China..

In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.




New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.




There are more pigs in China than in the next
43 pork producing nations combined.


China currently has the world’s fastest train and
the world’s largest high-speed rail network.


China is currently the number one producer in the
world of wind and solar power, but don't use it
themselves. While they manufacture 80% of the
world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and
build a new coal fired power station every week.
In one year they turn on more new coal powered
electricity than Australia's total output.




China currently controls more than 90% of the
total global supply of rare earth elements.




In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th
place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific
research articles.





China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on
the entire globe.





At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04
trillion in foreign currency reserves--the largest
stockpile on the entire globe.





Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.





They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and
their output will rise 70% by 2020.
~*~*~*~*~*~And we think we're saving the planet?! It will not make
one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada,
the United States or anywhere else in the world for that
matter. All the politicians are doing is increasing our
cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive
in the world market, with their idiotic carbon tax.
When countries like China are growing and consuming
at these extraordinary rates! Time to wake up!

I don't think the takeaway from that (Chinese takeaway, get it ) is we Aussies should just ramp up the mines and sell our natural resources like it'll always be around to sell.

It's not an either/or issue either. We can sell our fossil while keeping to international and generational obligation... that while we progress into cleaner alternatives, Australia can start to invest in R&D, education and training for such new leap in technology.

I know I know, we're doing it... but not with the urgency, and seemingly not with the kind of bucks that's necessary to be in a position to set standards and start that high-tech manufacturing that's essential to not just human survival, but Australia's own economic well being.

Saw an old John Pilger doco - The Mexican - recently and there are lessons Australia can draw from it. For one, if a finite, national, resource aren't shared and distributed equitably; if not re-invested into education and advanced training... that promised innovation boom will be just a dud.

Then as wealth are concentrated into the multi-nationals, the stateless elite with absolutely no loyalty to any particular country or people... all that shared wealth will be trickled down all over the world's high-priced economic and power centres.. of which Australia have but one - Lakemba.

As the old saying Pilger repeats of Mexico - too far from God and too close to the United States.

Australia is too far from the United States but too close to a rising, hungry, thirsty, overpopulated China.

So we might to learn how to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[CanOz]

Hard Facts on China..

In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.




New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.




There are more pigs in China than in the next
43 pork producing nations combined.


China currently has the world’s fastest train and
the world’s largest high-speed rail network.


China is currently the number one producer in the
world of wind and solar power, but don't use it
themselves. While they manufacture 80% of the
world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and
build a new coal fired power station every week.
In one year they turn on more new coal powered
electricity than Australia's total output.




China currently controls more than 90% of the
total global supply of rare earth elements.




In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th
place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific
research articles.





China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on
the entire globe.





At the end of March 2011, China accumulated US$3.04
trillion in foreign currency reserves--the largest
stockpile on the entire globe.





Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.





They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and
their output will rise 70% by 2020.
~*~*~*~*~*~And we think we're saving the planet?! It will not make
one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada,
the United States or anywhere else in the world for that
matter. All the politicians are doing is increasing our
cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive
in the world market, with their idiotic carbon tax.
When countries like China are growing and consuming
at these extraordinary rates! Time to wake up!

Noco, whilst these stats are certainly relevant and interesting, I'd caution you on using data that is 5 years old in relation to China.....2 years in China is a decade in developed markets. The key here is also volatility in the statistics...

 

[sptrawler]

I don't think the takeaway from that (Chinese takeaway, get it ) is we Aussies should just ramp up the mines and sell our natural resources like it'll always be around to sell.

It's not an either/or issue either. We can sell our fossil while keeping to international and generational obligation... that while we progress into cleaner alternatives, Australia can start to invest in R&D, education and training for such new leap in technology.

I know I know, we're doing it... but not with the urgency, and seemingly not with the kind of bucks that's necessary to be in a position to set standards and start that high-tech manufacturing that's essential to not just human survival, but Australia's own economic well being.

Saw an old John Pilger doco - The Mexican - recently and there are lessons Australia can draw from it. For one, if a finite, national, resource aren't shared and distributed equitably; if not re-invested into education and advanced training... that promised innovation boom will be just a dud.

Then as wealth are concentrated into the multi-nationals, the stateless elite with absolutely no loyalty to any particular country or people... all that shared wealth will be trickled down all over the world's high-priced economic and power centres.. of which Australia have but one - Lakemba.

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It is really funny, but the only politician who seems to understand the issue, is Brendan Grylls from W.A

Everyone is trying to discredit him, it is a weird situation, he is purporting the only sensible way of receiving fair value for our finite resources and politicians are shouting him down.

Is there any wonder Pauline is doing well, the rest of them are obviously enamoured by mining CEO's.

 

[luutzu]

It is really funny, but the only politician who seems to understand the issue, is Brendan Grylls from W.A

Everyone is trying to discredit him, it is a weird situation, he is purporting the only sensible way of receiving fair value for our finite resources and politicians are shouting him down.

Is there any wonder Pauline is doing well, the rest of them are obviously enamoured by mining CEO's.

I gotta remember that "enamoured" word. It upgrades my dictionary of insults

A bit tragic that our common wealth are given away to the selected few like that. The taxes are practically nothing, and whatever rate that's reduced to, they're still not paying it anyway. I mean, selling to a subsidiary in low rate Singapore or Ireland, then book a pittance of a profit; then take it all back in the downturn when they write off assets to claim losses. WTF.

Wife was reading that the top 30 Australian companies do not pay income tax at all. This corporate welfare is just unbelievable.

Man, I thought going to business school and build a career in finance mean I'll invest and grow business that build and do things. Didn't know it was just a much nicer way to be on welfare.

Shouldn't complain too much when others are doing me a favour, I guess.

 

[Tisme]

I gotta remember that "enamoured" word. It upgrades my dictionary of insults

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It's pretty obvious you are enamoured with Bill Shorten and the unions, even though his government over the last 3+ years hasn't produced anything of substance and now we see our AAA credit rating in jeopardy as a result. When will you take a shake to yourself luutzu and see the only way forward is with a progressive liberal government that only the LNP can deliver.

When they (lnp) get back in, and get back in they will after the nation gives this lot of pinko losers and union slaves the toss, there will be some real changes that lets China know we value our resources and they have to pay top dollar, yes top dollar for our holes in the ground... and forget about trying to buy our farms using phony domestic ownership fronts.

 

[luutzu]

It's pretty obvious you are enamoured with Bill Shorten and the unions, even though his government over the last 3+ years hasn't produced anything of substance and now we see our AAA credit rating in jeopardy as a result. When will you take a shake to yourself luutzu and see the only way forward is with a progressive liberal government that only the LNP can deliver.

When they (lnp) get back in, and get back in they will after the nation gives this lot of pinko losers and union slaves the toss, there will be some real changes that lets China know we value our resources and they have to pay top dollar, yes top dollar for our holes in the ground... and forget about trying to buy our farms using phony domestic ownership fronts.

LNP is the Liberal National Party, yes?

See, now I get it. Got to appreciate that there are people whose English (or politics) is a secondary language and if certain things aren't spelled out, they will get enamoured to your humour and jibe. Most of which are pretty good, after a few readings, McGregor.

There's nothing phony about our Gina's role in that Kidman deal. She simply find it a great investment opportunity where she get to own more land, some of which might have more Iron and Ores; and the Chinese will buy more of her existing ore inventory (at reasonable rates)... and after enough time, pinky promised to put in more cash if her operations ever need to expand - or run out of cash.

It's the virtuous circle of capitalism where you use your citizenship and a few good senators in that pocket deep pocket of yours to circumvent the national interest laws, and I'll rub your back.

And we laugh at the stupid ancient Chinese for putting merchants and profiteers on the lowest runk of the social order.

 

[sptrawler]

LNP is the Liberal National Party, yes?

See, now I get it. Got to appreciate that there are people whose English (or politics) is a secondary language and if certain things aren't spelled out, they will get enamoured to your humour and jibe. Most of which are pretty good, after a few readings, McGregor.

There's nothing phony about our Gina's role in that Kidman deal. She simply find it a great investment opportunity where she get to own more land, some of which might have more Iron and Ores; and the Chinese will buy more of her existing ore inventory (at reasonable rates)... and after enough time, pinky promised to put in more cash if her operations ever need to expand - or run out of cash.

It's the virtuous circle of capitalism where you use your citizenship and a few good senators in that pocket deep pocket of yours to circumvent the national interest laws, and I'll rub your back.

And we laugh at the stupid ancient Chinese for putting merchants and profiteers on the lowest runk of the social order.

It doesn't matter how slowly you go, as long as you keep going.

Are you sure you aren't related to Confucius.

 

[luutzu]

It doesn't matter how slowly you go, as long as you keep going.

Are you sure you aren't related to Confucius.

Confucius says, all Man are Brothers. Hence all Man are related to Master Kong.

 

[ReXXar]

It seems in the West we're so preoccupied with this question, having lived and worked in China for a few years, if you ask an average Chinese person would China own the world, generally their first reaction is one of surprise and something along the lines of "why would we even want to??" If anything in the last 5,000 years of their history is anything to go by, global conquest has never been in their blood, its an ethnic-nation state that seeks respect amongst its neighbours and no major power encroaching their sphere of influence. They opened up to the US because Soviet Union was encroaching on its borders, now its preparing for war with US as US has surrounded their coast, do a bit of reverse psychology, would what US do if China was armed to the teeth along the US border and sending weapons to Hawai? China's geopolitics today is defined by its defeat from the 8 nation alliance preceding conquest by Japan in WW2, something we're not even taught in schools.

Frankly we should be most worried about the complete incompetency of our politicians. I honestly do think our politicians are one of the most lazy and incompetent in the world, at least in Pacific countries the leaders don't pretend they're competent. Look at the mining boom, we COMPLETELY squandered all the money. Singapore, a little island nation and Norway who discovered offshore oil quickly set up a public fund to take advantage of the ensuing economic boom. I been working in the Pacific last 2 years and DFAT staff and expats bring this superiority attitude to them when they're the most incompetent and inefficient fools I have ever met when it comes to work, their Japanese counterparts achieve far more results with 10 times less resource. Australian politicians make me ashamed frankly, this country is about a decade behind in technology behind China or US. In school we don't learn anything about our neighbour's history, in primary or high school I was never taught about Indonesian history, its like our neighbours don't even exist. We spend billions and billions on the war in Afghanistan and doing horrible horrible things to civilians there, we're in reality a US puppet and none of this gets reported in the media. I think it all comes down to race, what if Chinese people looked European and US looked like Chinese, will there be a change in foreign policy? Singapore PM Lee Kuan Kew warned we might become the "white trash" of Asia, in reality we already are. Let's fix ourselves before blaming others.

 

[SirRumpole]

Let's fix ourselves before blaming others.

Dead right.

We have been lecturing Asia for decades on human rights and "rule of law" and have been too stupid to realise that they don't give a stuff about our values and our ideas, they are white man's values that don't apply to to them.

What Asians respect most imo are success and power.

The Japanese, South Koreans , Singaporeans, Chinese and Malaysians have worked damn hard to lift their economy and living standards while us Anglo Saxons have bummed around on the beach, taken our resources for granted and not invested in technology, infrastructure and education so we can keep ahead in changing times.

Asia has every right to look down on us as our chickens come home to roost as evidenced by our appalling education results among other things.

You are quite right about the standard of our politicians. We haven't had a good government since Hawke/Keating.

Costello did a good job getting our finances in shape, but Howard squandered it on middle class welfare that created a structural deficit when ore prices dropped.

Sadly I don't see salvation on either side of politics at the moment.

 

[Tisme]

Dead right.

We have been lecturing Asia for decades on human rights and "rule of law" and have been too stupid to realise that they don't give a stuff about our values and our ideas, they are white man's values that don't apply to to them.

What Asians respect most imo are success and power.

The Japanese, South Koreans , Singaporeans, Chinese and Malaysians have worked damn hard to lift their economy and living standards while us Anglo Saxons have bummed around on the beach, taken our resources for granted and not invested in technology, infrastructure and education so we can keep ahead in changing times.

Asia has every right to look down on us as our chickens come home to roost as evidenced by our appalling education results among other things.

You are quite right about the standard of our politicians. We haven't had a good government since Hawke/Keating.

Costello did a good job getting our finances in shape, but Howard squandered it on middle class welfare that created a structural deficit when ore prices dropped.

Sadly I don't see salvation on either side of politics at the moment.

I went to the flicks last night to watch Office Christmas Party. The film itself is weak, but there is an undertone that I think the US election result reflected, in the guise of the Kate McKinnon character. She is the HR woman who runs around making sure the staff can't do and that they stay within the confines of the mundane no risk beige normalcy.

I truly believe we have seized on the opportunity to coast our way through life using these rules of behaviour to justify doing nothing. We bleat about political correctness, but take umbrage at someone teasing us on the internet. We call anyone who disagrees with our choice pf brain washing a bigot as if there is something wrong with being a bigot instead of falling into line with the mob.

What incentive is there to risk the $130k job repurposing words into unimplementable policy and actually get out and produce something for $70k pa? There isn't any. We have allowed the paper pushers to become the masters and the paid elite and they don't have any skills for industry, value adding, education, technology and services,.... we are are stuck with a GDP that is biased with a vastly dominant services sector that is valued for the "production" calculation on the "renumeration/income" calculation ... it's a bootstrap equation that hangs precariously on the third "demand" ink in the chain ... which is why the rising hysteria about people needing to spend for king and country.

 

[ReXXar]

I went to the flicks last night to watch Office Christmas Party. The film itself is weak, but there is an undertone that I think the US election result reflected, in the guise of the Kate McKinnon character. She is the HR woman who runs around making sure the staff can't do and that they stay within the confines of the mundane no risk beige normalcy.

I truly believe we have seized on the opportunity to coast our way through life using these rules of behaviour to justify doing nothing. We bleat about political correctness, but take umbrage at someone teasing us on the internet. We call anyone who disagrees with our choice pf brain washing a bigot as if there is something wrong with being a bigot instead of falling into line with the mob.

What incentive is there to risk the $130k job repurposing words into unimplementable policy and actually get out and produce something for $70k pa? There isn't any. We have allowed the paper pushers to become the masters and the paid elite and they don't have any skills for industry, value adding, education, technology and services,.... we are are stuck with a GDP that is biased with a vastly dominant services sector that is valued for the "production" calculation on the "renumeration/income" calculation ... it's a bootstrap equation that hangs precariously on the third "demand" ink in the chain ... which is why the rising hysteria about people needing to spend for king and country.

I think this post just hit the nail on its head. Excellent post. This is the core of our problem.

 

[qldfrog]

I went to the flicks last night to watch Office Christmas Party. The film itself is weak, but there is an undertone that I think the US election result reflected, in the guise of the Kate McKinnon character. She is the HR woman who runs around making sure the staff can't do and that they stay within the confines of the mundane no risk beige normalcy.

I truly believe we have seized on the opportunity to coast our way through life using these rules of behaviour to justify doing nothing. We bleat about political correctness, but take umbrage at someone teasing us on the internet. We call anyone who disagrees with our choice pf brain washing a bigot as if there is something wrong with being a bigot instead of falling into line with the mob.

What incentive is there to risk the $130k job repurposing words into unimplementable policy and actually get out and produce something for $70k pa? There isn't any. We have allowed the paper pushers to become the masters and the paid elite and they don't have any skills for industry, value adding, education, technology and services,.... we are are stuck with a GDP that is biased with a vastly dominant services sector that is valued for the "production" calculation on the "renumeration/income" calculation ... it's a bootstrap equation that hangs precariously on the third "demand" ink in the chain ... which is why the rising hysteria about people needing to spend for king and country.

Nice post Tism, except that I truly believe this has not just "happened" but is being doctored by the top rulers: be they in charge of government or a too big to fail bank; The brain washing is there, the propaganda so crude for anyone with a brain, and as you stated, with the mass of people involved in brainless task, we are turned into a mass of idiots, robots forcefed goods and debts to create this demand and these GDP figures so adored. This is not what either socialism or capitalism was supposed to be, we got the worst of both in one package

 

[SirRumpole]

China continues to militarise the South China Sea.

What will/can/should the US do about it ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-17/us-australia-urged-to-get-tough-over-south-china-sea/8128742

 

[SirRumpole]

China continues to militarise the South China Sea.

What will/can/should the US do about it ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-17/us-australia-urged-to-get-tough-over-south-china-sea/8128742

And what should we do about it as well ?

Should we accept US missile bases on our soil as a counter to the Chinese ?

 

[noco]

And what should we do about it as well ?

Should we accept US missile bases on our soil as a counter to the Chinese ?

I would suggest you talk to Labor senator Sam Dystiari.

 

[luutzu]

And what should we do about it as well ?

Should we accept US missile bases on our soil as a counter to the Chinese ?

Should catch John Pilger's The Coming War on China.

He sure give us another perspective.

Australia doesn't have much of a say regarding US bases and other US Security arrangements. We should just be grateful that we aren't Mexico or the Middle East.

What should the US do; or what should Australia do if it were to pick... I guess playing both sides and keeping walking that fine line we've been on should serve us well enough.

But if the US is getting as aggressive as the recent tweets and phone call from The Donald got started, it's not going to end very well for Australia.

So Trump have yet to take office and already, since that phone call to or from Taiwan and the Phillipines, the Chinese isn't happy enough that they've flown a few jets close to Taiwan; held live-fire exercises on its first Carrier and a small fleet; started a trade war with US automakers in China; and a couple days ago captured a US marine drone literally testing the waters near what China claim to be its "ancestral land".

The US, like it had done since de-colonisation, will not let what it considered a third-rate power trying to flex its muscle. That would set a bad example, and will of course embolden more than a handful of Admirals and warmongers in Beijing.

So if the US go economic warfare, Australia's export is stuffed; if it goes proxy, we're one of the proxies; if it goes nuclear, we're all stuffed.

Maybe we should get Greg Norman to give Trump another call?

 

[ReXXar]

Should catch John Pilger's The Coming War on China.

He sure give us another perspective.

Australia doesn't have much of a say regarding US bases and other US Security arrangements. We should just be grateful that we aren't Mexico or the Middle East.

What should the US do; or what should Australia do if it were to pick... I guess playing both sides and keeping walking that fine line we've been on should serve us well enough.

But if the US is getting as aggressive as the recent tweets and phone call from The Donald got started, it's not going to end very well for Australia.

So Trump have yet to take office and already, since that phone call to or from Taiwan and the Phillipines, the Chinese isn't happy enough that they've flown a few jets close to Taiwan; held live-fire exercises on its first Carrier and a small fleet; started a trade war with US automakers in China; and a couple days ago captured a US marine drone literally testing the waters near what China claim to be its "ancestral land".

The US, like it had done since de-colonisation, will not let what it considered a third-rate power trying to flex its muscle. That would set a bad example, and will of course embolden more than a handful of Admirals and warmongers in Beijing.

So if the US go economic warfare, Australia's export is stuffed; if it goes proxy, we're one of the proxies; if it goes nuclear, we're all stuffed.

Maybe we should get Greg Norman to give Trump another call?

Where did you find that film "The Coming War on China"? I've heard about it and it has received excellent reviews, but it seems it is only shown in the UK

 

[luutzu]

Where did you find that film "The Coming War on China"? I've heard about it and it has received excellent reviews, but it seems it is only shown in the UK

Someone told me Torrents.

Apparently you download a torrent app (if you haven't got one. Micro Torrent is alright to use.), have that app running and use the link below.

Click on its "Get This Torrent" and the torrent app should open, asking where to save to.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/16455385/The.Coming.War.on.China.ITV.WEBRip.AAC2.0.x264-RTN


John Pilger have a YouTube channel of, I think, all his previous films/documentaries. This will eventually go there so I'm sure he doesn't mind we watch it now.

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It does look like the US (and us Aussies) are heading to war with China.

If it's the best kind of war - economic - hundreds of millions will see their lives and livelihood destroy; if it's the typical proxy - like ones in the Ukraine and Syria - more than a couple countries in Asia will be destroy; and if it go nuclear, accidental or otherwise, we're all doomed.