Pauline Hanson: Her Resurrection

[Tisme]

Hmm... empowerment.

That's a nice way of telling the battling Aussies to get off their azzes.

So her proposal is to get "dole bludgers" back to slave labour wages work, and have the taxpayers paying for most of it?

I have an idea. Why not we taxpayers educate the kids better; more funding for schools and more job re-training programmes.

If w can't do that, then maybe it's cheaper to just pay for the doles instead of "helping" people to work and pick up the tab on employer's behalf.


I might go into politics one day. And it's not just for the generous pay and perks. Well, alright, just for that. But I wouldn't be happy or proud of it!

There was a realisation a long time ago both all the majors that work for the dole tends to starve out small business operators because they can't compete with public works programs. Welfare types are typically unreliable and not stayers. Economically they are had to mouth spenders so the money recirculates quickly through dependent retailers, who in turn employ lots of staff or pay taxes, etc, etc.

 

[luutzu]

There was a realisation a long time ago both all the majors that work for the dole tends to starve out small business operators because they can't compete with public works programs. Welfare types are typically unreliable and not stayers. Economically they are had to mouth spenders so the money recirculates quickly through dependent retailers, who in turn employ lots of staff or pay taxes, etc, etc.

Can you expand on it a bit for those not old enough to remember all the facts, please

I thought welfare types, like all other types, would be stayer if the job offer some sort of future or experience they can build on. Picking up trash on freeways, mowing lawn at parks or other shaming tend not to motivate people to stay.

 

[Tisme]

Can you expand on it a bit for those not old enough to remember all the facts, please

I thought welfare types, like all other types, would be stayer if the job offer some sort of future or experience they can build on. Picking up trash on freeways, mowing lawn at parks or other shaming tend not to motivate people to stay.

They are unreliables who play lip service to the notion of working, but won't risk the interruption to welfare payments if the job tanks and they can't find another, especially if there is a 4 week wait.

There has to be a preservation of surety of safety net for these people to take the plunge, otherwise there is no incentive for them to risk the meagre comforts they have.

 

[luutzu]

They are unreliables who play lip service to the notion of working, but won't risk the interruption to welfare payments if the job tanks and they can't find another, especially if there is a 4 week wait.

There has to be a preservation of surety of safety net for these people to take the plunge, otherwise there is no incentive for them to risk the meagre comforts they have.

So if they won't risk getting a job to be fired and then have to wait for 4 weeks to put food on the table... then why is it a good idea to put that four weeks delay, or extending it, again?

I thought it's more sensible, if we're serious about encouraging people to work, is to tell them that ey, you should try any job that's out there because it could lead to stable work.. but don't worry, if it doesn't work out, you always have unemployment pay for a while 'til you get another.

To tell them to risk getting a job and if they get fired, have to wait... the dole bludgers are encouraged to do two things:

1. don't freaking get fired.
2. get fired once and stay unemployed as you only have to wait 4 weeks once.


Maybe it's not thought through properly.
That or it's thought through very well... and that is, you better not get fired and do as you're told because we're not just extending the waiting time, we're also gutting it. That and a four week delay adds up to some serious savings one can pass on to the boys.


Remember the good old days of when the gov't does diddly for the people? Remember those ancient and not so ancient days Dickens wrote about?

Here's an idea... maybe we should cut pay and remove perks from politicians who cannot offer full employment to those who need one.

Maybe the buck ought to lay where the leaders are. That's what leadership ought to be about right? Can't blame the kids going hungry on the lazy no good kids, right?

 

[SirRumpole]

So if they won't risk getting a job to be fired and then have to wait for 4 weeks to put food on the table... then why is it a good idea to put that four weeks delay, or extending it, again?

Work for the dole needs to be a re training exercise, not just some menial task performing. The fact is that technology is taking jobs at all levels (except maybe politicians) and people have to be trained to work with that technology or get left behind. The days of the unskilled worker are fast receding.

Those who can't keep up will probably just have to be paid a meagre wage to keep them off the streets and away from the public so they don't cause trouble. The job market is changing fast and most of our politicians don't realise it or don't care.

 

[Value Collector]

Work for the dole needs to be a re training exercise, not just some menial task performing. The fact is that technology is taking jobs at all levels (except maybe politicians) and people have to be trained to work with that technology or get left behind. The days of the unskilled worker are fast receding.

Those who can't keep up will probably just have to be paid a meagre wage to keep them off the streets and away from the public so they don't cause trouble. The job market is changing fast and most of our politicians don't realise it or don't care.

I don't like the outlook for the people in the welfare cycle, I hate to use the term, but "No hopers" is about the only way to describe a lot of them, I can't imagine these people ever breaking the cycle, poor health, lack of education, lack of contacts, lack of drive, these people will never keep up.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't like the outlook for the people in the welfare cycle, I hate to use the term, but "No hopers" is about the only way to describe a lot of them, I can't imagine these people ever breaking the cycle, poor health, lack of education, lack of contacts, lack of drive, these people will never keep up.

Yes, I'm afraid you are right, the outlook for the people on that video is very grim.

I could say a lot of things about this but I would be viewed as intolerant, but for example a lady complaining about being poor with four kids in tow. Poverty breeding poverty, what chance do those kids have ?

I think we should be paying such people NOT to have children. Stop the poverty trap and maybe kids will get a better go with parents who can afford them.

 

[explod]

I think we should be paying such people NOT to have children. Stop the poverty trap and maybe kids will get a better go with parents who can afford them.

Very much agree on this Sir

 

[orr]

I'm not one to hang-on every utterance the flame haired thrower expels, so here I 'er', to those that have a 'deeeper understanding' of the complex 'intricacies' of the woman and throw over to those that do;
Undoubtably this evenings 'tete d tete' on Radio National with Ms Karvalis will not have gone without your attention. Senator Hanson's call for borrowing for national development to achieve the ends she intendeds is nothing if not Keynesian. And, from the position, that she as Senator holds and from which she is directing this omnipotent largesse is nothing less than Stalinist central planning... 'insert your comments here'... Ashby's got an inkling of what these thing are. I wonder if the IPA would have anything to contribute?

If it's Fast rail that runs in close proximity to one of my dearly cherished and cheaply bought back-waters, all power to your arm pauline... no better feeling than self interest mixing with national interest, and the sooner these places get a little closer proximity to multiculturalism the better off it'll be...Viva trade Viva movement Viva the exchange of ideas... All brought closer by the Ipswich Witch.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm not one to hang-on every utterance the flame haired thrower expels, so here I 'er', to those that have a 'deeeper understanding' of the complex 'intricacies' of the woman and throw over to those that do;
Undoubtably this evenings 'tete d tete' on Radio National with Ms Karvalis will not have gone without your attention. Senator Hanson's call for borrowing for national development to achieve the ends she intendeds is nothing if not Keynesian. And, from the position, that she as Senator holds and from which she is directing this omnipotent largesse is nothing less than Stalinist central planning... 'insert your comments here'... Ashby's got an inkling of what these thing are. I wonder if the IPA would have anything to contribute?

If it's Fast rail that runs in close proximity to one of my dearly cherished and cheaply bought back-waters, all power to your arm pauline... no better feeling than self interest mixing with national interest, and the sooner these places get a little closer proximity to multiculturalism the better off it'll be...Viva trade Viva movement Viva the exchange of ideas... All brought closer by the Ipswich Witch.

Ere could someone translate.

 

[luutzu]

Yes, I'm afraid you are right, the outlook for the people on that video is very grim.

I could say a lot of things about this but I would be viewed as intolerant, but for example a lady complaining about being poor with four kids in tow. Poverty breeding poverty, what chance do those kids have ?

I think we should be paying such people NOT to have children. Stop the poverty trap and maybe kids will get a better go with parents who can afford them.

It's not just outlook. It's the past and the present.

I know we all believe in people being the master of their own destiny and all that. But that's just fairy tale stuff. Gov't policies play a very large role in people's lives and livelihood.

So while there are people who came from poverty but "made something" of themselves. There are also those who came from great wealth and flush all of it away. But such things are rare.

Those who pin the national flag on their lapel, or drape one around themselves, to show that they care... they ought to do a heck of a lot more to break the cycle than wagging their fingers and figuring out how much more shaming and tougher they can make it for people.

Keep doing the trickle down economic, everyman for himself and tougher on the poor but more love to the rich kinda of "economic" policies and pretty soon we'll be calling on Nauru to house our own prison population.

 

[Value Collector]

It's not just outlook. It's the past and the present.

I know we all believe in people being the master of their own destiny and all that. But that's just fairy tale stuff. Gov't policies play a very large role in people's lives and livelihood.

So while there are people who came from poverty but "made something" of themselves. There are also those who came from great wealth and flush all of it away. But such things are rare.

Those who pin the national flag on their lapel, or drape one around themselves, to show that they care... they ought to do a heck of a lot more to break the cycle than wagging their fingers and figuring out how much more shaming and tougher they can make it for people.

Keep doing the trickle down economic, everyman for himself and tougher on the poor but more love to the rich kinda of "economic" policies and pretty soon we'll be calling on Nauru to house our own prison population.

I consider myself in the middle on the topic, I want a society where people are encouraged to go out and study and work hard and invest to serve others get rewarded and live well.

But I also want a society where a share of the production goes back to those that drew the short straw and have disabilities, poor health or just bad luck.

designing such a system is hard, because you have to accept that if the system is designed to look after those that got the short straw, then there will be others who abuse it, and the more we tighten it to squeeze out the abusers, we will squeeze the genuine people that need our support.

It's a bit like the legal system, if you want a legal system so hard that no guilty person ever has a chance of getting off, you will have a legal system where a lot of innocent people go down too, but if you want a system where no innocent people go down, then the result will be a system where some guilty people get off.

 

[SirRumpole]

Keep doing the trickle down economic, everyman for himself and tougher on the poor but more love to the rich kinda of "economic" policies and pretty soon we'll be calling on Nauru to house our own prison population.

Good points. From an economic perspective it's much better (in the first instance) to cut taxes on the working lower and middle soicio economic groups than to cut taxes for businesses, because business don't make money unless consumers spend. The lower middle socio-economic cohort who don't currently have their needs and wants satisfied will be much more likely to spend extra cash than those who already have what they want.

Increased consumer spending leads to increased business profits and more government revenue which is good news for everyone. If governments just give tax cuts to business without stimulating consumer spending then a lot of startups will fail because of lack of demand.

 

[Tisme]

Good points. From an economic perspective it's much better (in the first instance) to cut taxes on the working lower and middle soicio economic groups than to cut taxes for businesses, .

Apparently it's impossible to make a decent profit let alone a windfall return unless taxes are lowered. Makes me wonder how we ever got this far and people like Turnbull made a fortune in a high interest high tax environment.

 

[luutzu]

I consider myself in the middle on the topic, I want a society where people are encouraged to go out and study and work hard and invest to serve others get rewarded and live well.

But I also want a society where a share of the production goes back to those that drew the short straw and have disabilities, poor health or just bad luck.

designing such a system is hard, because you have to accept that if the system is designed to look after those that got the short straw, then there will be others who abuse it, and the more we tighten it to squeeze out the abusers, we will squeeze the genuine people that need our support.

It's a bit like the legal system, if you want a legal system so hard that no guilty person ever has a chance of getting off, you will have a legal system where a lot of innocent people go down too, but if you want a system where no innocent people go down, then the result will be a system where some guilty people get off.

I think we're all happy with the kind of system you want there VC.

It's not that hard though. We've done it before.

All we need now to have it implemented again are marches down the streets telling our dear leaders and their friends that they either give the plebs some or see how well their mansions holds against the angry mob.

Them Kremlin and Winter Palace and Forbidden City didn't hold up too well - and that was just a century ago.


Democracy has been good for business since there's always "the other party" that big business can point to when the plebs have had enough. You can't keep doing that dance over and over, then bring in Hanson as the people's best last hope just to watch her dance like a pro too.


So either pray for politicians and business leaders to grow some sense, or pray that nuclear-armed barbarians are knocking on the gates gently enough it'll knock some sense into our leaders.

 

[luutzu]

Apparently it's impossible to make a decent profit let alone a windfall return unless taxes are lowered. Makes me wonder how we ever got this far and people like Turnbull made a fortune in a high interest high tax environment.

They were doing fine but then figured welfare ain't so bad - as long as it could be call something else.

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You there, highly paid consultant. I say, I want policies where I can piss on the public and tell them it's raining.

You what now, Sir?

I want to take their money, dam it. But I want them to thank me for it.

How do you suppose they'll thank you for it, Sir?

That's why I pay you, and give you all them Nobel Prizes in Economics and tenure and consultancy work. Earn it my dear boy.

I see. Well... we can call it Trickle Down Economics, Sir.

That sounds a bit demeaning.

Sounds it, but they wouldn't think it because that'd be too obvious.

Hmm.... So how does it work?


Well... you get your mates in parliament to say that if the rich are gentle with, if the public are more generous and give the rich more money - through tax incentives (not cuts! Incentives); through jobs programme where they are paid to build critical infrastructures and then further get to charge a tax (user-pay) for its uses. Then when it crumbles and fail from lack of maintenance, the public will pick it up and fix it, then we get it back again.

Mighty good. But the name boy, it just too direct. Trickling down.

But that's the beauty of it sir. We get to take their money, but will tell them that we're job creators and will not create jobs if they don't pay us. Well, can't say that... That out of our generosity, we get their money to create jobs for them... can't say that since we've shipped most jobs away.

Never mind boy. Where's the fun in taking a piss out of them without them knowing it.

True. True.

Might good. I shall fund more schools of economics with this kind of genius.

 

[luutzu]

Good points. From an economic perspective it's much better (in the first instance) to cut taxes on the working lower and middle soicio economic groups than to cut taxes for businesses, because business don't make money unless consumers spend. The lower middle socio-economic cohort who don't currently have their needs and wants satisfied will be much more likely to spend extra cash than those who already have what they want.

Increased consumer spending leads to increased business profits and more government revenue which is good news for everyone. If governments just give tax cuts to business without stimulating consumer spending then a lot of startups will fail because of lack of demand.

That would make a lot of sense. And it had been proven to work too.

So why is it that people like us know it but our politicians and their bankers don't.

Why, instead of trying what had work so brilliantly before, are they implementing Austerity - something that had proven over and over to not work, ever.

It's failure by design. The art of screwing people and get away with it.


1. You set up designated groups of people as examples for the rest to get in line, heads down and bums up or you'll end up like them.

2. You make people poor, busy, no time to think about anything but whether the next pay will meet the next bills due. That mean they'll work hard, ask for little and take out loans and load up on debt - at your banking friends benefits.

3. You turn them against one another. Then give them sports and useless news-tertainment and propaganda... they'll turn molehills into mountains, swallow the bs... and they'll leave you alone to your great work.

... that'll work. Until it doesn't.

But then that's where the anti-terrorist spying and militarised police will come in handy.

Call up the rebel leaders. Use their private information to threaten them... comes in handy in interrogation and torturing too.


I need to watch some Disney movie man.

 

[noco]

People are becoming fed up with the Greens anti-progress....anti development...anti job creation.

The greens popularity is in decline in Queensland and is showing up in One Nation.....A rise from 5% to 12% since the Federal election must surely be a headache for the Greens.

The Greens just don't seem to understand what their ideology is doing to their party...Their demise cannot come quick enough.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s/news-story/d6cae1d556250b3d7b6b85f010558d74


AS THE dust settles on the Trump victory in the US, it’s been enlightening to watch the Left huff and puff about the poll result. And boy did the political commentariat get it wrong.

So-called US political experts, who study these things for a living, were woefully out in their predictions.

Maybe a Clinton win was wishful thinking. The reality is, Donald Trump will be the next US president and, love him or hate him, he must be given an opportunity to do the job.

And the implications for Australian politics are blindingly obvious.





It’s against a backdrop of disenchantment with the major political parties that Pauline Hanson is again emerging as a major force. Picture: AAP



Donald Trump played to the groundswell of people who felt left behind by the political system. Picture: AFP Photo/Cabinet Secretariat
There’s a large group of Australians – most in the regions and the bush – who are sick and tired of the major political parties.

In fact, they made their mind up well before Trump’s win, the Brexit vote, or the fact that the National Party is likely to lose in the NSW seat of Orange for the first time in 78 years. People in the regions are doing it tough, and they are looking elsewhere for answers.

It’s against that backdrop that someone like Pauline Hanson is once again emerging as a major force in national and state politics.

As part of our We’re for Progress series, The Sunday Mail has been travelling the state to establish what issues and policy failings are hurting the regions. The overwhelming theme comes back to one word – jobs. Or the lack of them.

The political party in Queensland that jettisons the Greens and embraces prosperity through sustainable development will win the next election.

For example, Gabba councillor Jonathan Sri represents everything that is bad about Australian politics. He is anti-progress, anti-development and, more importantly, anti-jobs.





West Village will proceed, so Councillor Jonathan Sri should just stop meddling.
Today, we reveal that Cr Sri has successfully obtained a protest approval to lead opposition to the recently approved West Village project in West End. Not content with the umpire’s decision, Cr Sri and his friends at the West End Community Association want to take their grievances to the streets.

It’s interesting to watch the behaviour of recalcitrants such as Cr Sri when they lose. They just can’t accept that the community supports sustainable progress.

These are people who would rather have a teepee at the West Village site, where they could hold their meetings and indulge their passion for cucumber sandwiches.

Move on, Cr Sri. West Village is proceeding. The Adani coal mine in Central Queensland is getting the green light. There will be development on The Spit at the Gold Coast. Put it in the bank. The State Government knows it’s political history unless it starts to create jobs.

The game for the loony Greens is over.

 

[McLovin]

I think she's too stupid to have known what she was getting into with this character. She has a pretty poor history of surrounding herself with men who take advantage of her.

Looks like we can add Rod Cullerton to the One Nation insane asylum. What sensible senator wouldn't use a vexatious litigant who not only isn't a lawyer but plainly doesn't understand the Constitution to get constitutional legal advice.

Cullerton seems like the kind of guy who belongs in a used car yard winding back odometers.

A proponent of arcane arguments challenging the legitimacy of Australian courts through a literal interpretation of the constitution, Gargan’s engagement by Culleton coincided with the senator raising questions about the authority of the high court.

In his first question in the Senate, Culleton referred to the high court’s supposed failure to issue writs in the name of the Queen. On 7 November, he wrote to the Senate president accusing the high court of procedural failings that made it unlawful and asked that the upper house consider removing “offending judges” from office.


The letter to the Queensland magistrate, dated 15 November and bearing Culleton’s Senate letterhead, said: “We are watching with interest the conduct of all judicial officers Australia wide, after discovering the high court has not been conducting its business in the name of the Queen.

“If so this could reflect on all jurisdictions. As a safeguard against a possible injustice, could I respectfully ask that you adjourn the matter until the constitutional position of all courts is clarified.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...claim-50-years-of-australian-laws-are-invalid

 

[PZ99]

One Nation gaining ground in QLD. Apart from the sitting member Steve Dickson they've added ex LNP Michael Pucci as campaign director for the next election in QLD.
Michael Pucci was the former member for Logan, Sam Cox was the former member for Thuringowa and Neil Symes was the former member for Lytton, all under the Newman Govt.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...n/news-story/9d3a0fef38133d468970af0477bb5d8b

I guess there will be more defectors from other parties as the next election will be next year?

Very interesting