Yeah...Just watched another great Bolt Report at 7 pm on Sky....Not at 11 pm as you stated.
The theme was on true values in this country...Something the left, the Greens and the non conservatives of the Liberal Party have forgotten.
Pauline Hanson: Her Resurrection
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Yeah...Just watched another great Bolt Report at 7 pm on Sky....Not at 11 pm as you stated.
The theme was on true values in this country...Something the left, the Greens and the non conservatives of the Liberal Party have forgotten.
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I have always been honest, served the community with distinction and in retirement do voluntary work for the Salvos and at the local primary school. I also make regular donations to Medicine de frontiers.
So as a Green noco where am I going wrong?
Oh and the other 40 active members of the Greens here at Bendigo follow very similar paths. In fact other clusters I have been closely involved with on The Mornington Peninsula, at Frankston, at Coburg and the Bellerine Peninsula here in Victoria are all mature, professionals and very good repute. Where and in what are we wrong noco?
And another answer, I joined the greens on retirement from the coppers here in Victoria in 1998
Its time we disected the meanings or intent behind your "fabians, commo's, left wingers and reds" etc.
So do you really believe the Greens are truly environmentalists?
Do you really want to have open borders again and allow the flood of illegal boat people to enter our shores?
Do you really believe we should have more uneconomic wind farms...Wind farms in South Australia which is the cause of power prices going up 10 fold to that of the Eastern states?
Do you really believe the Greens are not indoctrinated by the Fabian Society and their ideology?
The Greens did lose a lot of support at the last election in fact I think they may lose at least 2 seats in the senate.....Senate seats which have been conquered by Pauline Hanson.
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As a true Green Explod, I have to say Noco has some points:
Are you a left wing person ex communism idea of "we are all equal, the world is one, no border" or are you : we need to save the world: "nature before man";
I am the second; in Australia, you can not be green and favor any immigration.Dot.
The main issue of the planet from a real ecological point of view is overpopulation, all the rest about better use of resources etc is peanuts;
1rst overpopulation THEN better use, reduce waste etc.
And this is not the local party named "Australian Green" agenda;
You are a good person Explod and I appreciate it but you are not Green if you help Salvo and donate to MSF.
You see my point so I do not vote green anymore, green is not refugees and gay rights
the change of leadership gave me some hopes ..but I can dream it seems as the green is now the far left of Australia.It has a place but as they said in Germany: watermelons: green outside, red inside
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As a true Green Explod, I have to say Noco has some points:
Are you a left wing person ex communism idea of "we are all equal, the world is one, no border" or are you : we need to save the world: "nature before man";
I am the second; in Australia, you can not be green and favor any immigration.Dot.
The main issue of the planet from a real ecological point of view is overpopulation, all the rest about better use of resources etc is peanuts;
1rst overpopulation THEN better use, reduce waste etc.
And this is not the local party named "Australian Green" agenda;
You are a good person Explod and I appreciate it but you are not Green if you help Salvo and donate to MSF.
You see my point so I do not vote green anymore, green is not refugees and gay rights
the change of leadership gave me some hopes ..but I can dream it seems as the green is now the far left of Australia.It has a place but as they said in Germany: watermelons: green outside, red inside
Communism is really labour controlling capital. The idea of all equal, no border, et al are just plugins to apolitical nationalism.
Yes central control is Labor's ambition.......Control the media first, then the banks followed by central control of mining, agriculture and what is left of our manufacturing.
Socialism (communism) has always failed and always will in a democratic country.
Do you believe in Socialism?
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It's a matter of degree isn't it ?
There are some things governments should be doing and some things private enterprise should be doing.
Do you believe we should privatise the police, ambulance and fire services, courts and local councils ?
We know you want to privatise Medicare don't you ?
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Xx. The greens particularly respect the views of the individual. And it is because the other parties pay little head to the envioronment that the Greens exist.
Xx. On refugees, we must work out a way to share and our vast and vacant lands across the upper breadth of our continent provides one such great opportunity (and we could develop this more on an appropriate thread). Permaculture on large scales can feed ten times more people than meat.
Xx. Why do you say wind farms are uneconomic. Some countries are now generating more than 50% from windfarms. Have you factored in government subsidies to oil and coal collection. And the huge recent drop in the price of oil and coal due to practices towards renewables.
Xx. Struth noco, you should quietly attend your local Greens meeting. Nearly all are outspoken and strident individuals consisting of medical doctors, nurses, and many teachers in fact there are four ex-police members here at Bendigo alone. At the Bellerine Peninsula the chair is a psychologist. You must have your thinking in the past back when the greens evolved out of a few demonstrators in the bush.
Why do you have the idea greens are indoctrinated???
In the lower house the Green vote went up 1.5 against national sum and 18% on our previous total. We dropped 0.2% in tge senate. So certainly not "a lot" as you paint it noco.
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As a true Green Explod, I have to say Noco has some points:
Are you a left wing person ex communism idea of "we are all equal, the world is one, no border" or are you : we need to save the world: "nature before man";
I am the second; in Australia, you can not be green and favor any immigration.Dot.
The main issue of the planet from a real ecological point of view is overpopulation, all the rest about better use of resources etc is peanuts;
1rst overpopulation THEN better use, reduce waste etc.
And this is not the local party named "Australian Green" agenda;
You are a good person Explod and I appreciate it but you are not Green if you help Salvo and donate to MSF.
You see my point so I do not vote green anymore, green is not refugees and gay rights
the change of leadership gave me some hopes ..but I can dream it seems as the green is now the far left of Australia.It has a place but as they said in Germany: watermelons: green outside, red inside
I agree with a lot of your post and my previous post to noco earlier will answer some too.
I disagree on your take on gay rights and refugees, the greens are very much for those issues.
Absolutely agree that population is the big one and is being hotly debated within our movement as we speak.
The other for all to consider is why are acedemic professionals joining the Greens?
Because doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, teachers and police know clearly how the less fortunate live and they are a well educated and wish for all people to be so educated. The left ALP care only for their members in work, liberals for people successful in business. The greens will grow as community standards further deteriorate, as education is taken away. Unless of course you can come up with a Trump
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They are byut IMHO they should not be involved in any way there and should oppose refugees, but favor foreign aid and be against the warfare, etc...
When you see a loony like the Q&A representative against Hanson, believe me the green loose two votes forever;
And this is all the telltale of a left wing party:Because doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, teachers and police know clearly how the less fortunate live and they are a well educated and wish for all people to be so educated. The left ALP care only for their members in work, liberals for people successful in business. The greens will grow as community standards further deteriorate, as education is taken away. Unless of course you can come up with a Trump
nothing wrong here and believe me I understand being leftist, I was young once and born with a communist (yes we still had some) grand father and my principlez share a lot in term of equal opportunities, basic welfare but I turn far right against immigration: not by fear of unknow but fear of deja vu and knowledge, something leftist here and i believe Greenz can not even comprehend.
I can be harsh: you get a chance education, health etc if you blow you deserve zip.
so not leftist in the aussie way, but I have trouble finding myself in some of the LNP policies....
Anyway, The green party now represents a far left (if we consider ALP left) with a taint of environmentalism;
They do not see the contradiction it seems
They probably gain a lot of the youth vote, but loose people like me.
I live on a hobby farm, created a Nature Refuge from scratch, self sufficient for meat/power(but connected)/water and vegies, very low chemical use, sustainable practice, permaculture style of property (trying), etc etc so you see I know what environment can be...but i can not vote green in 2016 as I can not vote far left.
The Green movement are currently the best asset for Pauline..More like this and we will have our own Trump.
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The burning question in my mind Grasshopper, why come to the west, a foreign culture and religion with beer, democracy, common law and bikinis?
Why not other ME and/or islamic countries like Malaysia or Indonesia.
After WW2 european refugees went to western countries with similar religion an culture, not islamic or buddhist countries.
Can you explain that luu?
Rumpy, once again you are getting carried away with yourself.
Of course there are things governments should be doing and some things private enterprise should be doing....I underestimated your intelligence to have worked that one out....But of course we all know, under a Labor/Green Socialist Government many of the things private enterprise do in mining, agriculture and manufacturing ( what is left of it) would be placed under central control (as they have already done with the ABC) and run by the Government.
Public utilities have and always will be funded by State Governments...Nothing to do with the Federal Government....The GST was designed to cover public utilities and if the states had any gutz they would increase the GST to 15% instead of whinging to the Federal Government for more tax payer funds....The problem is both sides of politics are frightened of losing precious votes.....We should take a leaf out of the Liberal run government in New Zealand who has a 15% GST.
How do you know I want Medicare privatized?...Where have I ever stated that?....You seem to be obsessed with this stupid Labor Party Shorten LIE.......Cleanse your brain man ....It ain't gonna happen.
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Already explained it before Sifu. But let's repeat.
When Afghanistan was liberated, the Afghans flee to neighbouring Pakistan and Iran (non-Western countries);
When Iraq was freed, Iraqis flee to neighbouring Iran and Syria; When Syria was bombed by the evil Assad but rescued by freedom rebels armed by us, the Syrians flee to Iraq, to Turkey, to Jordan etc. etc.
From memory, there are some 2 million refugees in Iran; there are refugees in Turkey, millions in Jordan, millions in Lebanon...
Then there are millions more who are internally displaced - i.e. they ran to some other city within their own country that hasn't been bombed yet.
When did this "European immigrant crisis" hit the headlines? 2014? 2015?
That's some 12 to 13 years after Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Doesn't that tell you that people's first instinct is to move within neighbouring countries for refuge and not immediately go West to seek their fortune? That those who now ride the gravy train to Europe does so because the camps nearby are full.
Lebanon took in how many refugees? There's the Palestinian terrorists fleeing the paradise Israel was building for them right? Then the Syrian etc. The Lebanese took in some 2 to 3 million refugees... making up about half or 1/3 its population? Dam evil Islam teaching those Lebanese to house and feed those seeking refuge. They should follow the "Christian" value and cry blue murder if any more Muslims come in and slit our throat in our sleeps.
Seriously, some so-called "Christians" are really giving Christians a bad name. I personally know of the many charitable work Church groups and Christians do and organise. I guess those Christians aren't patriotic enough and want to see this Christian country go down the tube.
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You don't get it yet do you ?
While you keep on with this stuff about Fabianism and Communism in the Labor Party which is all rubbish, I'll continue to annoy you with Mediscares and the like.
Hawke and Keating privatised Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank, Rudd and Gillard never nationalised anything but still you go on that Labor wants to run everything.
Compared to the amount of rubbish you put up, my little proddings are miniscule.
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You don't get it yet do you ?
While you keep on with this stuff about Fabianism and Communism in the Labor Party which is all rubbish, I'll continue to annoy you with Mediscares and the like.
Hawke and Keating privatised Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank, Rudd and Gillard never nationalised anything but still you go on that Labor wants to run everything.
Compared to the amount of rubbish you put up, my little proddings are miniscule.
Good post.
Noco you have not answered my questions of why you believe the Green's are indoctrinated or why windfarms are uneconomic
You don't get it yet do you ?
While you keep on with this stuff about Fabianism and Communism in the Labor Party which is all rubbish, I'll continue to annoy you with Mediscares and the like.
Hawke and Keating privatised Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank, Rudd and Gillard never nationalised anything but still you go on that Labor wants to run everything.
Compared to the amount of rubbish you put up, my little proddings are miniscule.
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My oh My....we are getting cranky.....nothing annoys me...sorry if I am annoying you.
LMAOHmmmm..."There will be no CARBON DIOXIDE TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD".
Medicare won't be privatized under a Government I lead......The words of Malcolm Turnbull.
Do you get it?
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You mean Mal is lying ?
We had better call him Maliar in that case.
Stop dreamin' Rumpy...Just give up this Mediscare...The election has been over for 3 weeks.....Billiar doesn't even use it any more....
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People are interested in controversial speakers. Trash talker Trump is another example of an inflammatory speaker that attracts people.
Great news for Pauline today......She has 40 % of Labor on her side and 33% of the Greens backing her for a ban on Muslim immigration plus a whooping 60% of Liberal voters.....She sure has got poor old Malcolm by the short and curlies.
Can't wait to vote for her party in the Queensland state election which could be held any time...I would not be surprised if One Nation will hold the balance of power.....They are gaining in strength by the day.
Can't wait to vote for her party in the Queensland state election which could be held any time...I would not be surprised if One Nation will hold the balance of power.....They are gaining in strength by the day.
