NBN Rollout Scrapped

[NBNMyths]

I predicted all this kerfuffle when I first started this thread.

Having Rudd and Conroy come up with a brainfart which has gobbled up and continues to gobble up billions of our taxpayer dollars was doomed to failure.

Two bigger muppets in business I could never pick.

It's all downhill from here.

gg

The problem with your analysis is that the 'brainfart' was the best technical solution. It's the hodge-podge that the Coalition have changed to which is causing all the current problems.

 

[Tisme]

Poor old Chris Pyne and his commentary about the NBN last night on QANDA = NFI = loud mouthed idiot.

Apparently the time length of five simultaneous movies is the benchmark of bandwidth.... and on 25 megs no less. We must be talking five of those ultra lo res B&W westerns from John Howard's relaxed 1950's, even then I reckon you wouldn't be able to get onto Aussie Stock forums LOL

Somewhere in a universe far far away we will be wanting bluray quality and god help us 4k resolution to enjoy current technology TVs : e.g. 60 frames per second.

 

[So_Cynical]

I predicted all this kerfuffle when I first started this thread.

Having Rudd and Conroy come up with a brainfart which has gobbled up and continues to gobble up billions of our taxpayer dollars was doomed to failure.

Two bigger muppets in business I could never pick.

It's all downhill from here.

gg

More like brilliant simplicity, connect everyone to the best available technology whatever the cost, billions for sure however the Noalition has to take responsibility for turning it into a dogs breakfast and the partial failure it has become.

I live in a Fibre NBN area and its wonderful.

 

[pixel]

More like brilliant simplicity, connect everyone to the best available technology whatever the cost, billions for sure however the Noalition has to take responsibility for turning it into a dogs breakfast and the partial failure it has become.

I live in a Fibre NBN area and its wonderful.

Lucky you.
I live in a "Corroded Copper to the Home" area, could hit the next Exchange building with a pea shooter across the River, but won't even get a steam phone connection after the first drop of rain. When I was still on iiNet's ADSL, I managed to set a record of 111 transmission breaks in 24 hours. In the end, they gave up, refunded me the last year's ADSL subscription fees (but NOT the Telstra Line rental ) and terminated the contract.

Luckily, our suburb is covered by VividWireless on 4G. Most of the time, I get speeds above 2Mbps, in the mornings even more than 10Mbps. As they're already working on 5G at rates in the order of of 100Gbps, I wonder when the FTTP-FTTH debate will be totally obsolete. In areas like ours, the cr@p CTTH infrastructure that Telstra sold for $Billions and refuses to maintain in working order, will render any NBN roll-out a waste of money.

 

[luutzu]

Lucky you.
I live in a "Corroded Copper to the Home" area, could hit the next Exchange building with a pea shooter across the River, but won't even get a steam phone connection after the first drop of rain. When I was still on iiNet's ADSL, I managed to set a record of 111 transmission breaks in 24 hours. In the end, they gave up, refunded me the last year's ADSL subscription fees (but NOT the Telstra Line rental ) and terminated the contract.

Luckily, our suburb is covered by VividWireless on 4G. Most of the time, I get speeds above 2Mbps, in the mornings even more than 10Mbps. As they're already working on 5G at rates in the order of of 100Gbps, I wonder when the FTTP-FTTH debate will be totally obsolete. In areas like ours, the cr@p CTTH infrastructure that Telstra sold for $Billions and refuses to maintain in working order, will render any NBN roll-out a waste of money.

I guess the bright side to delay and incompetence in tech is that if we're bad (good?) enough at it, there'll no longer be a need for it by the time we got round to it.

 

[luutzu]

Poor old Chris Pyne and his commentary about the NBN last night on QANDA = NFI = loud mouthed idiot.

Apparently the time length of five simultaneous movies is the benchmark of bandwidth.... and on 25 megs no less. We must be talking five of those ultra lo res B&W westerns from John Howard's relaxed 1950's, even then I reckon you wouldn't be able to get onto Aussie Stock forums LOL

Somewhere in a universe far far away we will be wanting bluray quality and god help us 4k resolution to enjoy current technology TVs : e.g. 60 frames per second.

Too much HD, ultra?, ruin movies anyway

Takes away the classic look and feel of a proper cinema masterpieces, replaced it with cheap looking pixelated CGI with action all slowed down like the superheroes are only actors trying to do Kung Fu kicks and jump.

Bring back Kurosawa any day.

 

[So_Cynical]

Lucky you.
I live in a "Corroded Copper to the Home" area, could hit the next Exchange building with a pea shooter across the River, but won't even get a steam phone connection after the first drop of rain..

And thats it...some are lucky and some are not, and that's just not appropriate for a NATIONAL broadband network, luck should not play a part.

FTTP-FTTH debate will be totally obsolete.

NO - NEVER, speed of light with almost unlimited capacity will never be obsolete.

 

[Tisme]

Lucky you.
I live in a "Corroded Copper to the Home" area, could hit the next Exchange building with a pea shooter across the River, but won't even get a steam phone connection after the first drop of rain. When I was still on iiNet's ADSL, I managed to set a record of 111 transmission breaks in 24 hours. In the end, they gave up, refunded me the last year's ADSL subscription fees (but NOT the Telstra Line rental ) and terminated the contract.

Luckily, our suburb is covered by VividWireless on 4G. Most of the time, I get speeds above 2Mbps, in the mornings even more than 10Mbps. As they're already working on 5G at rates in the order of of 100Gbps, I wonder when the FTTP-FTTH debate will be totally obsolete. In areas like ours, the cr@p CTTH infrastructure that Telstra sold for $Billions and refuses to maintain in working order, will render any NBN roll-out a waste of money.

100 gigs doesn't mean you will enjoy that kind of speed. The upcoming 4GX system is supposed to provide category 16 devices with 1000 gigs, but downloads actually fall between 2 and ~80ish megs.

I made a big mistake getting a "turbo" wireless connection for my holiday home, that crackled, piss farted and choked at a blindingly rapid <1 meg when I was supposed to get 8 megs++ ; conned. Eventually convinced them that I was more important than anyone else and got a direct wire to dslam, bypassing any rims in the way.

 

[NBNMyths]

Some none-too-pleased commentary on Turnbull's NBN from Innovation Australia:

http://www.innovationaus.com/2016/05

 

[CanOz]

Lucky you.
I live in a "Corroded Copper to the Home" area, could hit the next Exchange building with a pea shooter across the River, but won't even get a steam phone connection after the first drop of rain. When I was still on iiNet's ADSL, I managed to set a record of 111 transmission breaks in 24 hours. In the end, they gave up, refunded me the last year's ADSL subscription fees (but NOT the Telstra Line rental ) and terminated the contract.

Luckily, our suburb is covered by VividWireless on 4G. Most of the time, I get speeds above 2Mbps, in the mornings even more than 10Mbps. As they're already working on 5G at rates in the order of of 100Gbps, I wonder when the FTTP-FTTH debate will be totally obsolete. In areas like ours, the cr@p CTTH infrastructure that Telstra sold for $Billions and refuses to maintain in working order, will render any NBN roll-out a waste of money.

I've got a mate in Noosa getting cracking speeds on Wireless. Can't recall the name of the outfit though. He's very happy.

 

[pixel]

I don't understand the excitement over "leaks".
NBN Co is being micro-managed by the Turnbull Government. Surely, there is no "National Security" issue that could serve as an excuse to keep differing opinions under wraps.
A former company director, Simon Hackett, has been outspokenly critical of the flawed plans, to the point that he quit his well-paid directorship rather than remaining associated with the waste and BS.

As far as the tenfold blow-out of maintenance costs for the last mile of copper is concerned: It wouldn't take an inside whistleblower to work that out. Any electrical contractor, who has in recent years attended a repair request, will know the truth.
When I went through the experience mentioned above, I had the pleasure of meeting eight different technicians, contracted to either Telstra or Service Stream. Every one of them explained how the problem arose from corrosion inside the roadside columns. And it goes like this:
A customer reports a problem with his line. Technician verified the line is flakey. Technician looks for another wire that - at the time - appears to have a cleaner connection through to the Exchange. Technician swaps wires. Customer is happy - for a while. ... until the customer, who used to be connected through the "cleaner" line, reports a line problem and requests it be fixed.
Given the frequency of repair requests and the number of different contractors, it can't surprise anyone that documentation of lines and routes is unreliable to the point that nobody even looks at it anymore.

 

[drsmith]

A former company director, Simon Hackett, has been outspokenly critical of the flawed plans, to the point that he quit his well-paid directorship rather than remaining associated with the waste and BS.

On what basis to you make that statement ?

A few days ago, the following was posted in this thread,

Mr Hackett, who joined the NBN Co board in 2013, attributed his departure to the growing needs of the Redflow business rather any frustration on his part on the state of the project.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...21778&page=196&p=907456&viewfull=1#post907456

 

[Tisme]

There was a lot of pressure brought to bear by the industry to have Hackett go through the revolving door to the NBN board room. He left iinet/internode to fill the seat and now he is off, his iiNet compatriot is coming in.

Simon's tweets show him to be a forthright fella and he's let his opinions be known on a few occasions. He cautioned the bleeding obvious prediction of the then future NBN dominance by Telstra in 2011 and the demise of the little providers in the fallout.

His statement on leaving NBN for his battery business is the usual twaffle that men gaining freedom say to lock the gate safely behind them.

 

[orr]

On what basis to you make that statement ?

A few days ago, the following was posted in this thread,



https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...21778&page=196&p=907456&viewfull=1#post907456

How's your arithmetic? if you can deal with 1 +1 ... try what's inferred here;

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s/news-story/025b23a887d2c03d2c405fdec2f3349f

still too complex?? from Merde-doch no less ..... took all of 3 seconds of looking, but that of corse means you want to look.

 

[drsmith]

still too complex?? from Merde-doch no less ..... took all of 3 seconds of looking, but that of corse means you want to look.

Despite the rather exuberant comments, Hackett is acutely aware that as much as he may wish it, NBN Co isn’t going to ditching FTTN. It's the least preferred option of deploying broadband but unfortunately it's also the most cost effective one.

My bolds.

 

[SirRumpole]

My bolds.

Cost effective for now maybe, but what about when they have to replace the copper wire ?

 

[drsmith]

His statement on leaving NBN for his battery business is the usual twaffle that men gaining freedom say to lock the gate safely behind them.

Alternatively, he might be interested in his battery business.

 

[drsmith]

Cost effective for now maybe, but what about when they have to replace the copper wire ?

Take that argument up with orr.

He posted the link to the article.

 

[orr]

My bolds.

Are they Hacketts words??? or the Jorno's ???(your bolds) and if they're the jorno's? how are they quantified....
And when your ready you can address the crux of your original point of crtique of Hackett i.e. flawed plans of the LNP's(srivelded) nbn

 

[pixel]

On what basis to you make that statement ?

Google "simon hackett nbn".

NBN Co director Simon Hackett has slammed the federal government's use of fibre-to-the-node technology as part of the national broadband network, saying he wishes it would disappear.

The Coalition's version of the NBN is heavily reliant on the technology, which provides slower broadband speeds at lower costs compared with Labor's preferred method of connecting homes and businesses directly to fibre optic cabling.

"Fibre to the node is the least-exciting part of the current policy – no argument," he said. "If I could wave a wand, it's the bit I'd be erasing."

Speaking at the Rewind/Fast Forward event in Sydney on Wednesday, Internode founder Mr Hackett said he was a strong supporter of connecting premises directly to fibre and was on the board of NBN Co to make it "as least worse as possible".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/nbns...technology-20150325-1m77el.html#ixzz49fKwvfSV