Will China end up owning the World?

[Gringotts Bank]

They build mega cities that no one lives in. Ghost towns.

They pollute the hell out of the skies and rivers, yet continue to build coal power stations at an unprecedented pace.

They have a population of 1.4 billion, yet re-introduce the two child policy.

They promote a rigorous national pride, yet covet everything and anything from the West.

The ruling Party lives in splendorous wealth, whilst 80 million plebs live in dire poverty.

And they can't manage to make baby formula.

It's like Bizarro world.

 

[luutzu]

They build mega cities that no one lives in. Ghost towns.

They pollute the hell out of the skies and rivers, yet continue to build coal power stations at an unprecedented pace.

They have a population of 1.4 billion, yet re-introduce the two child policy.

They promote a rigorous national pride, yet covet everything and anything from the West.

The ruling Party lives in splendorous wealth, whilst 80 million plebs live in dire poverty.

And they can't manage to make baby formula.

It's like Bizarro world.

Only the very rich Chinese buy baby formulas and eat import food. If your average wage is $5 a day or something, you'd be lucky to just have food and put aside some for a mortgage.

So there are formula, but even the Chinese branded ones are only affordable to the middle class there. The poor and working class kids get fed congee or mother's milk, and occasionally a bit of formula the parents managed to afford once a year or something.


Two child policy is future planning. When there's a potential war, you can't ask fat spoilt kids from rich families to go die, and you might have a revolution on your hand if you ask parents to surrender their only child.

That and if peace is possible once you colonise the seas around you, you'd need new blood to replace and contribute for tired, sick and older blood.

 

[skc]

We've actually got two people in Australia stocking up on formula for us. Joe is one of them. We have enough to get through until we get to Australia, then once we're there we'll have to scour the countryside for our own after our stash runs out.....

Little Austin consumes about a can a week now, they should limit sales to two cans per customer.

There's always the breast...

 

[CanOz]

There's always the breast...

She did 12 months of that. Not keen to get that going again, for a multitude of reasons beyond the subject of the thread

Actually, good ole Devondale full cream is really good....can't buy it anymore at our local Tesco. Need to take a run into Shanghai.

Its a shame that we can't trust the milk here, but there are too many clowns taking a short term opportunistic view here. Just the other day they shut down a vermicelli plant for making entirely synthetic noodles....i mean WHO DOES THAT RIGHT

Thanks Mao.:frown:

 

[skc]

Its a shame that we can't trust the milk here, but there are too many clowns taking a short term opportunistic view here. Just the other day they shut down a vermicelli plant for making entirely synthetic noodles....i mean WHO DOES THAT RIGHT

Yes it never ceases to amaze me how evil the Chinese food industry is...

http://teesfinity.com/top-10-craziest-fake-food-in-china/

That's why I will never live there with children. Doesn't matter how careful you are and go shop in Western stores etc... the risk is just too high if you have the choice of living in another country.

 

[luutzu]

Interesting interview on future battlegrounds the US (and allies) are already heading into: Africa.

All these time I thought the drones and some special ops were just around Somalia and a couple other places to secure the Suez canal and Gulf of Aden. Didn't know the US have special boots in some 90% of African countries and its proxies engaged in some 600 operations last year in Africa

Scary how, towards the Middle, Turse was saying the Chinese are all over the place in Africa winning hearts and minds with new infrastructures (and troops in South Sudan) securing its oil and other interests while the US, under Obama, want war on the cheap with drones and training rebels that lead to more violent and not winning hearts and minds.


Heard from some interview with Chomsky where he quoted a ME expert saying the US drone programmes across Pakistan is risking the country's order and could lead to its nuclear weapons being handed to Islamic terrorists.



[video]http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/11/13/part_2_nick_turse_on_us[/video]

 

[sinner]

Interesting interview on future battlegrounds the US (and allies) are already heading into: Africa.

TomDispatch (http://www.tomdispatch.com/ ) regularly carries articles from Turse who has been covering AFRICOM and the command heirarchy and US Special Ops in general for a couple of years now.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175743/tomgram:_nick_turse,_africom's_gigantic_"small_footprint"

The first inklings I heard of it was when those US Special Forces guys were killed in Mali with prostitutes in their car in 2012.

The US is in there along with the Europeans (especially the French) making a mess everywhere they touch. To see which European countries are involved look back at who was involved in Libya bombing ops in 2011. To see the kind of trouble they have raked up, merely look at Libya today which is neatly divided in two, or Yemen. Basically doing a great job of killing everywhere they shouldn't be while letting the likes of Boko Haram run wild.

Africa represents a relatively open frontier to China and they get a lot of bang for their buck. Anecdotally, I have heard that various Governments and regimes in Africa are getting investment from the Chinese SOEs on stuff that Western companies couldn't touch due to environmental/ethical concerns. For example in Rare Earth space.

There are a lot of Chinese enclaves in cities all over Africa that have no other foreign presence.

To be honest, I think the move is smart on Chinas part, spending their FX reserves on real assets where the spending is most optimal. Their so called "resource diplomacy" is several notches better than the sort of "diplomacy" Western colonialists carried out on that continent for centuries.

 

[luutzu]

TomDispatch (http://www.tomdispatch.com/ ) regularly carries articles from Turse who has been covering AFRICOM and the command heirarchy and US Special Ops in general for a couple of years now.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175743/tomgram:_nick_turse,_africom's_gigantic_"small_footprint"

The first inklings I heard of it was when those US Special Forces guys were killed in Mali with prostitutes in their car in 2012.

The US is in there along with the Europeans (especially the French) making a mess everywhere they touch. To see which European countries are involved look back at who was involved in Libya bombing ops in 2011. To see the kind of trouble they have raked up, merely look at Libya today which is neatly divided in two, or Yemen. Basically doing a great job of killing everywhere they shouldn't be while letting the likes of Boko Haram run wild.

Africa represents a relatively open frontier to China and they get a lot of bang for their buck. Anecdotally, I have heard that various Governments and regimes in Africa are getting investment from the Chinese SOEs on stuff that Western companies couldn't touch due to environmental/ethical concerns. For example in Rare Earth space.

There are a lot of Chinese enclaves in cities all over Africa that have no other foreign presence.

To be honest, I think the move is smart on Chinas part, spending their FX reserves on real assets where the spending is most optimal. Their so called "resource diplomacy" is several notches better than the sort of "diplomacy" Western colonialists carried out on that continent for centuries.

Yea, I have maybe some idea on 10% of what you said is going on up there. Always amazed at how little I, and maybe the public at large, are not aware of what our gov't is doing in our name.

Seems like China is preparing the sea lanes to bring the goods from Africa home. Heard they're very active in Sri Lanka with infrastructure and port investments, buying off a few generals and the former president... same in Mayanmar until the US thought to bring it in from the cold else China will secure it as an alternate supply route.

Might wake up one day seeing the whole world goes to heck without any of our permission.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Seems like China is preparing the sea lanes to bring the goods from Africa home. Heard they're very active in Sri Lanka with infrastructure and port investments, buying off a few generals and the former president... same in Mayanmar until the US thought to bring it in from the cold else China will secure it as an alternate supply route.

That's how they do business. That's how all 3rd world countries do business.

 

[luutzu]

That's how they do business. That's how all 3rd world countries do business.

That's how all countries do it. In the 3rd world, they cut out the chit chats and get right to the point

In that interview with Turse, he mentioned a couple of US Colonels, pretty sure it's not a general... who thought to just overthrow a couple of African gov't... went ahead with it and that's that. I thought you could only do stuff like that in colonial times way way way back a few decades ago.

 

[qldfrog]

I thought you could only do stuff like that in colonial times way way way back a few decades ago.

the difference is that you now throw your support/money/arms to another local general/future despot
No one will cry for the former in any case and a rotten scumbag is replaced by another rotten scumbag...
Part of the deal will be an oil concession or similar;
And the day democraty is given a chance, you end up with a bad (to the western world) surprise: Egypt for the latest example

 

[luutzu]

the difference is that you now throw your support/money/arms to another local general/future despot
No one will cry for the former in any case and a rotten scumbag is replaced by another rotten scumbag...
Part of the deal will be an oil concession or similar;
And the day democraty is given a chance, you end up with a bad (to the western world) surprise: Egypt for the latest example

yea, but he's your scumbag doing your bidding. I'm just saying... That's how they think about it...

If you want to run the world, you don't want democracy. Not in your own country, and definitely not in outposts you want to be around.

People do not want war. They want boring stuff like peace, raising their kids, playing with their grandkids (and baby sitting their grandkids??)... that and they want their tax dollars to go towards healthcare, education, to help the poor and the needy... They want their representatives to answer for the chopper rides, the limo and the family vacation on their dime... and they want to be able to travel to places and not get blown up by terrorists or crossfires.

That's very restrictive; better to have a good friend who get things done without the red tapes abroad... and at home where some genius had the idea of writing stuff like "all men are created equal"; all "free men" have rights to this and that; then they get to vote and can vote you out of power... You then have to play by that rule but bend it here and there, push them votes here and there.

 

[qldfrog]

we all agree there !
but the takeover of African resources by China is well in its way;
The US/france/UK may have the receptions/embassy dinners and arms sales but the fields oil and ports are now chinese and it will not be long before they put their own puppets too.No opinion there, just looking at facts and not sure I blame the Chineses for this either

 

[luutzu]

we all agree there !
but the takeover of African resources by China is well in its way;
The US/france/UK may have the receptions/embassy dinners and arms sales but the fields oil and ports are now chinese and it will not be long before they put their own puppets too.No opinion there, just looking at facts and not sure I blame the Chineses for this either

Saw a doco a while back where France control pretty much all of North West Africa, and yes, its oil and gas too.
Maybe they haven't been doing such a good job so the US has started to take over?

But yes, China will be a big problem to the established order. They got a lot of kids to feed and a couple more hundred millions are on the way... can't just go around buying all the stuff you need. There will come a time where it's more cost effective to take it with boots on the ground, and on the high seas, and on the artificial islands and bases... and proxies and partners.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Coles and Woolworths to limit buying baby formula to 2 per customer.

Oh yeh, that will work. Check this out.

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/baby-formula

If China ever runs out of bread or meat, don't expect to eat. The Chinese will rape the supermarkets in just the same way they are doing now, aided by their import/export crew.

I doubt there's a word in their dictionary for 'consideration'. I could go and ask one of my neighbours, but none of them speaks English. Well that, and I'd never make it past the 15 foot high concrete fence.

 

[SirRumpole]

Where our infrastructure is concerned, who should we trust ?

Safety concerns over fabricated Chinese steel flooding Australian market


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-steel/6949506

 

[dutchie]

Chinese lease Darwin Port.

Only because it gives such a good return on their investment. 1% I think.




Stupid Australia.

 

[sptrawler]

Chinese lease Darwin Port.

Only because it gives such a good return on their investment. 1% I think.




Stupid Australia.

Yes, this is an interesting article regarding the Darwin Port lease, short term gain politics.IMO Dumb as a bucket full of backsides.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-...-is-another-link-in-china's-expansion/6967640

I wonder if they will end up evicting us, as lazy tenants, that don't pull their weight.

Maybe, when they own everything in Aus, they will just wind back welfare, till everyone either gets of their ar$e or leaves.lol

 

[luutzu]

Interesting lecture on the rise of China, how US/NATO policies in the Ukraine, the ME will stall that pivot to Asia, leaving China to do what rising power does. Doing it with little resistance and great support from Russia.

This lecture of last December and the few concerns he raised just got a whole lot worst - namely ISIS is still around and expanding its operations; Russia is drawn into Syria and is promising to avenge against Turkey if they can't explain why Russia shouldn't take a few of their jets out of the sky too... Afghanistan is stirring up; a bunch of small battles in Africa.

Oh yea, he also this is only the beginning and China won't be too much trouble for at least another 15 years. I think new generation of the two child policies will come of age by then... fresh new blood, fresh new demand to boost China's domestic economy along the way.

We in the West got that addiction to trickle down economics, austerity, and funding wars and anti terrorism efforts all over the place.

 

[sptrawler]

I read in the West Australian, the other day that the W.A Government,was hoding up billions of dollars of Chinese investment in the Ord irrigation area.

From what i read, it appeared the stumbling block is how much financial surety the Chinese had to put up, the Government wanted a 50 year unlimited surety, the Chinese want to put up $150 million.

Meanwhile we put in billions of dollars of tax payer funds, to supply the extra water and infrastructure, then they walk away and say we don't want it.

Sounds a bit like our endless mining boom that was going to last for decades, China says we will take all you can produce, then when you're geared up say no we don't want it.

Maybe the W.A Government has woken up, to the rope a dope tactic, who knows.