Will China end up owning the World?

[luutzu]

I have relatives living in Balwyn VIC, and the number of drab but palatial painted masonry edifices in that area occupied usually by ONE Chinese student driving a Mercedes is astounding.

One guy built a six car underground carpark under his house. It's taking the price of property outside the realm of the average Aussie and destrying the character of the area.

To be fair, I was browsing domain.com at houses and came across this ugly old house I thought has a nice lawn, good parcel but the building needed some improvement. Turns out it belong to the Fairfax... going for $100M+??

So if there's some 6 zeroes behind my current balance, might do something stupid.. maybe.

 

[luutzu]

Your relatives, will probably end up working for the Chinese kid driving the Merc, just give it time.

We wanted great wages, we purchased cheap overseas goods, we brought about our own demise.

Greed is good, untill it becomes the cancer that destroys the dream.

The Chinese, probably due to a Government that has complete control, is escalating their industrialisation at an astonishing rate.

They really do seem to be controlling the expansion of their economy well, there are massive apartment buildings in clusters, some say they are random I think they are planned.
If China moves from small farming villages to broad acre farming, the high density accomodation makes sense.

Not that kind of Chinese kid though

We shouldn't worry about these Chinese wasting money like that. They won't go anywhere.

It's the Chinese that doesn't spend on houses but ammunition and island engineering that we ought to worry about.

No state ever buy the world - they fight wars and kill for it, fair and square.

 

[Tink]

This sort of **** going on in Melbourne infuriates me. I don't live in such a salubrious suburb as Toorak, but the way these Chinese come in and do this is just so goddamn offensive. A magnificent old home levelled. They have no concept of architectural beauty, nor appreciation of nature. You can bet some f-ugly concrete monstronsity will replace it, housed by people who don't have any interest in speaking English or integrating into Aussie culture.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/realest...k=167f3b762be9f7558a42afb811def7b4-1445423830

How can this do anything but create tension? I wouldn't dream of going to another country and behaving like that (not that I'll ever have $20 mill spare). It's so incredibly crass and insensitive.

Melbourne is already becoming like North Korea, as I have stated in my posts with this Labor/Greens Govt, in more ways than one.

I agree, GB, it is sad seeing these historical buildings go.

 

[Tisme]

Melbourne is already becoming like North Korea, as I have stated in my posts with this Labor/Greens Govt, in more ways than one.

I agree, GB, it is sad seeing these historical buildings go.

The people selling them for maximum financial gain versus heritage value have a major part in the demise too.

 

[SirRumpole]

Your relatives, will probably end up working for the Chinese kid driving the Merc, just give it time.

Maybe, maybe not.

The question is the investor/homebuyer balance in the housing market and the tax and investment rules that determine that balance and what is in the national interest.

It surely must be in the national interest that as many people as possible own their own homes and have an asset that they can reverse mortgage or sell and downsize to a smaller property to finance their retirement.

Too many investors mean too much money going to a small number of people, with a large number of people paying rent and therefore having to rely on the pension in their retirement.

The national interest in this issue is pretty clear to me and the tax and investment laws should reflect that.

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe, maybe not.

The question is the investor/homebuyer balance in the housing market and the tax and investment rules that determine that balance and what is in the national interest.

It surely must be in the national interest that as many people as possible own their own homes and have an asset that they can reverse mortgage or sell and downsize to a smaller property to finance their retirement.

Too many investors mean too much money going to a small number of people, with a large number of people paying rent and therefore having to rely on the pension in their retirement.

The national interest in this issue is pretty clear to me and the tax and investment laws should reflect that.

The displacement of 'white' Australians is IMO inevitable, we have a falling birthrate and an ageing population.

Whether we like it or not, people will come here to displace us, it is just a matter of who.
China currently have the momentum, with financial means and a population willing to move to build a life, somewhat like our forefathers.
Time will tell, if they fall into the same affluence trap, we have.

 

[luutzu]

The displacement of 'white' Australians is IMO inevitable, we have a falling birthrate and an ageing population.

Whether we like it or not, people will come here to displace us, it is just a matter of who.
China currently have the momentum, with financial means and a population willing to move to build a life, somewhat like our forefathers.
Time will tell, if they fall into the same affluence trap, we have.

It would look bad for White Australians, but I wouldn't worry about it if I was White.

The coloured folks who want to get anywhere, rise any place will have already been white washed that they're more White than the White guys What the Americans call a Banana, or an Oreo. That's not a racist thing, it's just what happen when you got a dominant ethnic group and many minor ones.

Take a look at Obama. You would think the African Americans would be much better off under his admin... nope. They all actually got worst... Not because he intentionally do it to them, just it's what you do to serve those with real power.

Or take China... When the Manchurian (those with the pony tail) took over the Han majority Ming, they established the Qing Dynasty and beside the half-shaven head for male with a pony tail attached, some superficial dress code... the Han were so many that they absorbed the Manchurian rulers.

Wait, declining birthrate you were saying... Better get started... Would be a good excuse to get some from the missus - for national interests and the Anglo Austrlaia

 

[Tisme]

It would look bad for White Australians, but I wouldn't worry about it if I was White.

The coloured folks who want to get anywhere, rise any place will have already been white washed that they're more White than the White guys What the Americans call a Banana, or an Oreo.

Yeah the Person of Colour (POC) insults.

One has to wonder why, in the US particularly, advanced society is so polarised into ethnic tribes and the need for the tribes to degrade those who want to adopt better lifestyle. The colour on the outside, white on the inside slight is also testament to ill will many have towards whitey.

Coconut, Oreo, Banana, Apples, etc are evidence of people who won't make it in their own tribe let alone in the wider community. It's predicated on the need to be stereotypes, misplaced pride, etc ... a sell out and subservience to skin colour prejudice.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yeah the Person of Colour (POC) insults.

One has to wonder why, in the US particularly, advanced society is so polarised into ethnic tribes and the need for the tribes to degrade those who want to adopt better lifestyle. The colour on the outside, white on the inside slight is also testament to ill will many have towards whitey.

Coconut, Oreo, Banana, Apples, etc are evidence of people who won't make it in their own tribe let alone in the wider community. It's predicated on the need to be stereotypes, misplaced pride, etc ... a sell out and subservience to skin colour prejudice.

Makes me wonder why Michael Jackson tried so hard to be white considering all the very successful black entertainers.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah the Person of Colour (POC) insults.

One has to wonder why, in the US particularly, advanced society is so polarised into ethnic tribes and the need for the tribes to degrade those who want to adopt better lifestyle. The colour on the outside, white on the inside slight is also testament to ill will many have towards whitey.

Coconut, Oreo, Banana, Apples, etc are evidence of people who won't make it in their own tribe let alone in the wider community. It's predicated on the need to be stereotypes, misplaced pride, etc ... a sell out and subservience to skin colour prejudice.

I have no ill will towards Whitey
Learnt that it's best to see all people as the same, and distrust all of them all equally Maybe add a notch for the Irish, haha

Still, I named the kids with VNese name though. Not as some rebellious or "keep the culture" stuff, just it gives better meaning for the missus and I. That and it's challenge to have a Viet name that has good meaning and doesn't sound all funny when spoken in English. That's why we're stopping at 3 - was struggling to come up with a third name. Can't go with Bich, or Duc, or Quach, haha... add my surname to the mix and it's a comedy.

 

[luutzu]

Makes me wonder why Michael Jackson tried so hard to be white considering all the very successful black entertainers.

That guy got a lot of issues. An incredible talent though.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I've noticed there's quite a difference between Hong Kongers and mainlanders. I have worked with a few HKers and Malaysian Chinese and found them quite decent.

I spoke to an Chinese expat last year; she was a nurse. I asked what life was like back in the mainland and she gave me three examples (she wasn't a big wrap for her homeland, but seemed more sad than angry). The first was a friend's father who was a primary school teacher. He wanted to change locations and work at a school closer to home. The principle of the school insisted he pay a sizable "fee" to do so, otherwise his reference would not be very good. The second related to the tax system, wherein the amount of tax one paid was dependant on how well you knew the local tax man. The third related to a birthday party she attended (middle uppper class). The "done thing" is to bring cash, and lots of it. She was frowned upon and excluded because she brought the birthday girl a small gift (no cash). She said this was becoming quite common in certain circles.

So anyway, I find this all quite sad because I like Aussie cultrue and can see the writing on the wall. People don't seem to notice change, or perhaps they don't mind it. The sheer numbers are absolutely staggering, and what sort of sour, po-faced culture are they pushing? Just have a little drive around Doncaster, Balwyn, Box Hill, Fairlfield, Hawthorn, Carlton and the city centre. We get 100,000 new settlers in Melbourne every year and most of them seem to be Chinese.

Wouldn't immigration be better balanced if we had roughly equal numbers from different parts of thr world? I don't think I'll want to stay in Melbourne much more than 5 years.

Change is hard, but I guess that's life isn't it? Move on... or get pushed out, as the case may be.

 

[poverty]

So anyway, I find this all quite sad because I like Aussie cultrue and can see the writing on the wall. People don't seem to notice change, or perhaps they don't mind it. The sheer numbers are absolutely staggering, and what sort of sour, po-faced culture are they pushing? Just have a little drive around Doncaster, Balwyn, Box Hill, Fairlfield, Hawthorn, Carlton and the city centre. We get 100,000 new settlers in Melbourne every year and most of them seem to be Chinese.

I like to avoid Melbourne and Sydney, there's still plenty of nice towns in Australia that are 95%+ white. In the long-term we are all stuffed, but I don't plan on living forever.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I like to avoid Melbourne and Sydney, there's still plenty of nice towns in Australia that are 95%+ white. In the long-term we are all stuffed, but I don't plan on living forever.

Thanks pov. I've had a girfriend who was 1/4 Chinese. And I had a buddy at school who was Malaysian Chinese. What I object to is Australia becoming an outpost of one foriegn country, particulalry when this one country has such a terrible record for human rights, looking after the environment and using standover/manipulation tactics on its own people. And corruption is rife there as I explained, so I'm just saying I don't want those attributes here. It's in the [mainland] culture.

 

[Tisme]

I like to avoid Melbourne and Sydney, there's still plenty of nice towns in Australia that are 95%+ white. In the long-term we are all stuffed, but I don't plan on living forever.

You using an overcast reel or an egg beater?

 

[CanOz]

I like to avoid Melbourne and Sydney, there's still plenty of nice towns in Australia that are 95%+ white. In the long-term we are all stuffed, but I don't plan on living forever.

That's it, if you don't like multiculturalism, head to the country towns, the mainlanders hate the 'country' towns...

 

[luutzu]

I like to avoid Melbourne and Sydney, there's still plenty of nice towns in Australia that are 95%+ white. In the long-term we are all stuffed, but I don't plan on living forever.

Who are the other 5%?

 

[Tisme]

Who are the other 5%?

You could probably narrow that down to within the 30% (6 millions) of Australians who were born overseas.

Of course there are whiteys and there are whiteys ..... the real whiteys in Oz come from Northern Europe extraction, the rest are just lighter shades of black ......

If you want an argument take it up with Eric:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/senator-eric-abetz-drops-racist-slur-on-radio-while-defending-opposition-to-gay-marriage-20151022-gkg7y9.html

 

[luutzu]

You could probably narrow that down to within the 30% (6 millions) of Australians who were born overseas.

Of course there are whiteys and there are whiteys ..... the real whiteys in Oz come from Northern Europe extraction, the rest are just lighter shades of black ......

If you want an argument take it up with Eric:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/senator-eric-abetz-drops-racist-slur-on-radio-while-defending-opposition-to-gay-marriage-20151022-gkg7y9.html

There are also Australia-born Australians, then there are the real Australia-born Australian too aren't there?

I like country Australia. People actually wave at you as they drive pass. I thought the old man giving us a two finger wave was giving the finger first time I saw it.

 

[Macquack]

Definition of a "local", someone who has been here one "day" longer than you.

I love this definition. That would make Aboriginals the only true "Australians", because nobody can count past (give or take) 40,000 years.

I must be a "true" whitey because I burn like sh*t in the sun. Will probably die of skin cancer and should have stayed in the northern hemisphere (except I was born here). I don't have a lot of answers.