Bendigo Mosque UPF

[MrBurns]

I was in some sympathy toward the anti mosque contingent but saw the UPF tonight on the ABC for the first time.

A bunch of nut jobs, they will ensure the mosque is built ...no problems.

 

[sptrawler]

Well I don't know about Bendigo, but from what a couple of mates told me, the one proposed to be built in Kal didn't happen.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/k...sque-during-fiery-meeting-20140729-zxzz9.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-01/kalgoorlie-mosque-plan-prompts-fierce-public-debate/5641344

It is the wild west, but I did hear it didn't go ahead, as the land was made unsuitable.

 

[MrBurns]

If you can find a link you should take a look at the protestors in Bendigo
Hardly any teeth among them and an overload of work for brain surgeons and psychiatrists.

 

[bigdog]

The Bendigo Mayor Peter Cox owned the land that he sold to the mosque folk!

I would like to see a current report of the effects of the Mosque being built in Sheppaton!

 

[MrBurns]

Oh dear [emoji107]

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't think there is any point in deliberately harassing a section of the community, at the same time I don't see any point in bringing in more potential suicide bombers or murderers.

 

[MrBurns]

I don't think there is any point in deliberately harassing a section of the community, at the same time I don't see any point in bringing in more potential suicide bombers or murderers.

The crowd I saw on the ABC wont get anywhere, the Mosque will be built.

People see them as a breeding ground for Islamic extremists and they're not entirely wrong.

 

[CanOz]

The crowd I saw on the ABC wont get anywhere, the Mosque will be built.

People see them as a breeding ground for Islamic extremists and they're not entirely wrong.

I think the breeding ground is a virtual world, not in Australian mosques.

 

[MrBurns]

I think the breeding ground is a virtual world, not in Australian mosques.

High school student Farhad Jabar was recruited by a group of western Sydney extremists to carry out a terrorist attack because they thought they were under too much surveillance to do it themselves, police believe.

CCTV from Parramatta Mosque, now in the hands of police, shows several men meeting Jabar at the mosque on Friday, hours before the quiet year 10 student walked to the Parramatta police headquarters and shot accountant Curtis Cheng, 58, in the back of the head.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/parramatt...estern-sydney-extremists-20151007-gk3i76.html

 

[CanOz]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/parramatt...estern-sydney-extremists-20151007-gk3i76.html

Ahh, well that's certainly not going to do the good Muslims any favours in getting mosques built then is it. My reference to the virtual world was anecdotal...and for ISIL type recruits.

 

[qldfrog]

I think the breeding ground is a virtual world, not in Australian mosques.

Based on French experience, the extremistscame when the Saudis and Qatar, our big friends against evil russians/Iran , pushed their integrist version and imans into the established mosque and the new one they financed.
Internet is not the only way you get these crazy guys

 

[sinner]

The breeding ground is wherever there is a lack of opportunity and hope in the future, lack of education, cultures isolated by fear and hate and intolerance.

And it has nothing to do with religion. Although you will often find the religious using such breeding grounds to their own means.

In that sense, members of the UPF are probably more like those they claim to hate than they realise.

 

[SirRumpole]

The breeding ground is wherever there is a lack of opportunity and hope in the future, lack of education, cultures isolated by fear and hate and intolerance.

And it has nothing to do with religion. Although you will often find the religious using such breeding grounds to their own means.

Afraid you are wrong there. The religious nut jobs don't want the kids educated too much because the kids would then ask hard questions about the religion, leave and the Imams would lose their power and control.

Better to keep the kids in ignorance and worshipping the Almighty and their earthly representatives.

 

[MrBurns]

The breeding ground is wherever there is a lack of opportunity and hope in the future, lack of education, cultures isolated by fear and hate and intolerance.

And it has nothing to do with religion. Although you will often find the religious using such breeding grounds to their own means.

In that sense, members of the UPF are probably more like those they claim to hate than they realise.

I think it has everything to do with religion.

I heard or read....the Koran was a doctrine of peace then somewhere along the way that ceased and after that it was all, kill the infidels etc etc

Not sure where I heard it ......

 

[Macquack]

The breeding ground is wherever there is a lack of opportunity and hope in the future, lack of education, cultures isolated by fear and hate and intolerance.

That would make Australia, definitely not a breeding ground?

And it has nothing to do with religion. Although you will often find the religious using such breeding grounds to their own means.

I think it is all about religion.

In that sense, members of the UPF are probably more like those they claim to hate than they realise.

Definitely agree with that statement.

 

[MrBurns]

The breeding ground is wherever there is a lack of opportunity and hope in the future, lack of education, cultures isolated by fear and hate and intolerance.

And it has nothing to do with religion. Although you will often find the religious using such breeding grounds to their own means.

In that sense, members of the UPF are probably more like those they claim to hate than they realise.

From what I saw the Members of the UPF are just plain dumb, they aren't capable of terrorism IMO.

 

[luutzu]

I think it has everything to do with religion.

I heard or read....the Koran was a doctrine of peace then somewhere along the way that ceased and after that it was all, kill the infidels etc etc

Not sure where I heard it ......

Everything to do with religion?

Nothing to do with the fact that maybe they don't like seeing their people subjugated and have dictators forced on them and foreign bases on their ancestral land and turning their already desert landscape into flattened cities now with chemicals and explosives that causes cancer and birth defects?

Do we seriously believe that Bin Laden ordered 911 because it's the Islamic thing to do? A few experts I heard before said it's his masterplan to slowly bankrupt the US... maybe causing the US to spend a few trillions on Homeland security and a couple of wars, and now a few more wars in the ME won't do it... but that's a lot of money that could be use to educate American kids, provide healthcare, maybe public housing.. or bail out a few more corporations.

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Here's the basic of probability...

When you read some economist saying there's a 50/50 chance of the RBA raising interest rate... that probability mean the guy doesn't know what he is saying, he's just guessing, that there's a 50/50 chance of things going up or down, coin flipping.

To say that Islam is violent, causes terrorism, turn young kids into terrorists etc....
There's over 1 billion Muslims right?
Is there a 50/50 chance Muslims are terrorists or otherwise violent nut jobs? For there to be a 50/50 chance, you'd need to show that 500,000,000 Muslims are violent and otherwise psychotic and murderous...

 

[SirRumpole]

Everything to do with religion?

Nothing to do with the fact that maybe they don't like seeing their people subjugated and have dictators forced on them and foreign bases on their ancestral land and turning their already desert landscape into flattened cities now with chemicals and explosives that causes cancer and birth defects?

A lot of conflict in the M.E. is Muslim sect vs another Muslim sect.

Syria is now basically about Sunni Muslims vs Assad's Shiites, and you wouldn't get that if there was no religion involved.

 

[Tisme]

A lot of conflict in the M.E. is Muslim sect vs another Muslim sect.

Syria is now basically about Sunni Muslims vs Assad's Shiites, and you wouldn't get that if there was no religion involved.

As a kid I figured that the reason England became the centre of everything for 400 years was because it ditched the shackles of religion and relegated it to a benign state owned enterprise that either side of politics and the monarch could own. The Americans made sure their country was secular and subsequently our constitution followed suit.

I'm not inclined to change my opinion.

 

[luutzu]

A lot of conflict in the M.E. is Muslim sect vs another Muslim sect.

Syria is now basically about Sunni Muslims vs Assad's Shiites, and you wouldn't get that if there was no religion involved.

No, Syria is now a proxy war between the US/NATO and Russia, heard that the Chinese might be joining in - to test their armed forces and fight evil of course.

Sunni and Shiite is convenient to separate and unite one against the other... but without it or without any religion, there will be other ways to divide... they will all suit the purpose of some grand strategy that may end in sending us all back to the stone age, but yea.

Take IndoChina under French rules... VN was divided into 3 states, as different as Laos and Cambodia... all five made up French IndoChina. Or VN during the VN war - draw a line on some parallel and have them at it; or take any civil wars throughout history. Some have religious divide, others were divided for some other economic or leadership reason. China has a long history of civil wars, I don't remember any of them being religious based.